Standers in N block ejected, Banned and cancelled season tickets

[LCFC FOX]

Because you are breaking the rules. Its that simple. Acting up is neither big nor clever, Injust hope for your sake you are still a teenager...

I'm 17 if you want to know but who said we want to look big or clever? Just a few people who want to stand and create a atmosphere blocking no ones view, why are some people so depressing

[Harry - LCFC]

Trouble with the rules is that they're wrong, so people are obviously going to break them.

 

Saying "oh you're breaking the rules so you should accept your punishment" isn't a great response because these rules are harmful rather than helpful.

[svensson]

Trouble with the rules is that they're wrong, so people are obviously going to break them.

Saying "oh you're breaking the rules so you should accept your punishment" isn't a great response because these rules are harmful rather than helpful.

Ehh? Harmful?

[svensson]

I'm 17 if you want to know but who said we want to look big or clever? Just a few people who want to stand and create a atmosphere blocking no ones view, why are some people so depressing

Of course you do, You want to goad the away fans, otherwise you would sit in the Kop. Or is it because you are a bit of a cheapo?

[Harry - LCFC]

Ehh? Harmful?

 

Harmful isn't the best word. Detrimental to supporters' experience is a better way of phrasing it.

 

The interests of those who want to stand are not being catered for so the rules are 'harming' this group as I put it.

[svensson]

Harmful isn't the best word. Detrimental to supporters' experience is a better way of phrasing it.

The interests of those who want to stand are not being catered for so the rules are 'harming' this group as I put it.

I thought you were quite an intelligent poster?? Been on the drink.. Fans who wish to stand are not a consideration for the club in any respect, they tolerate it in a section of the ground. If you were smoking in your seat constantly would you expect to br thrown out?

[Bettsj2]

It seems the fairness people are asking for is to be able to do what they want. The 'i'm not hurting anyone' or 'i've paid my money' argument is tired, ridiculous and irrelevent.

Grounds were made all seater for a reason. Not sure if we need reminding of that reason but the reason is there. Many say that Hillsborough and Heisel were isolated incidents and that is completely true, however the all seater stadium was implemented to prevent it happening again and for all of the brovado about fans vs stewards (fvck the ***** if they try and stop us etc) if god forbid something did happen resulting in a death, would your evidence at the inquest be, 'well I paid for my ticket so there'.

I know there are some logistical problems but it seems that if you want to stand, you'll have to go to the area where standing in the ground is tolerated. Personally I think it would be great if eventually the majority of that stand was people standing. If people flock there then the growth is unavoidable but I doubt it will happen to that extent.

If you take the stance of 'fvck em, we'll do whar we want', you wont win and to be honest, there will be few who have any sympathy.

[Harry - LCFC]

I thought you were quite an intelligent poster?? Been on the drink.. Fans who wish to stand are not a consideration for the club in any respect, they tolerate it in a section of the ground. If you were smoking in your seat constantly would you expect to br thrown out?

 

And I'm saying that it should also be tolerated on the other side of the away fans. It makes sense, why not allow standing in the two locations that attract those sort of fans?

 

Well why not? Because that's where the family stand is.

 

By putting it there the club has created a needless conflict of interests where standers want to shout and swear in N block while families want to protect their children from that type of behaviour. The obvious solution is to move the family stand and thus cater for the interests of both groups.

[GingerrrFox]

And I'm saying that it should also be tolerated on the other side of the away fans. It makes sense, why not allow standing in the two locations that attract those sort of fans?

 

Well why not? Because that's where the family stand is.

 

By putting it there the club has created a needless conflict of interests where standers want to shout and swear in N block while families want to protect their children from that type of behaviour. The obvious solution is to move the family stand and thus cater for the interests of both groups.

 

Even though the family stand was purposely built for that specific place? Why should they move the away section when it has worked so well for the entire time the club have been at the new stadium? The police want the away fans to be situated in the position they are, nothing the club can do on that one. The club don't want to move the family stand as the entrance through the club shop was purposefully built. I'm sure the fans in L1 don't want the away section to be moved. Why should all that be moved for a group of about 50 that want to further push the clubs tolerance, when they could quite easily move to L1 or K1 if they are that bothered about standing?

 

They can stay there and wait for the club to crack down hard. It's not like they haven't been warned.

[Harry - LCFC]

Even though the family stand was purposely built for that specific place? The club don't want to move the family stand as the entrance through the club shop was purposefully built. Why should all that be moved for a group of about 50 that want to further push the clubs tolerance, when they could quite easily move to L1 or K1 if they are that bothered about standing?

 

They can stay there and wait for the club to crack down hard. It's not like they haven't been warned.

 

At no point did I suggest we move the away fans so I'm not sure why you went on to talk about that.

 

You speak as if moving the family stand would be problematic which I fail to see myself, removing the block(s) nearest the away fans and tacking on A block would suffice - that way we can allow standers into N block while protecting the kids and still have the club shop entrance which seems so important - and is it really that important anyway?

 

Anyway, here's a nice map of what I'm suggesting:

 

 

No offence but you seem pretty intent on hammering those who want to stand in N block while I'm trying to accommodate the wants of everyone involved. You want to ban people, I want to allow everyone to enjoy the game in the manner they want.

[wight88]

The old saying 'if I had to explain you wouldn't understand' springs to mind here as it pretty much does on most threads on here. How about bolocks to it and try not to kill anyone and hope everyone has a great day xxx

[yorkie1999]

They don't want kids standing in n block because kids don't stand still.

[Strokes]

Nobody should be banned for standing at a football match, its quite simply absurd. This is the sort of fascist attitude that makes me think i will stick with my sky sports subscription, svensson is a typical nazi.

[Kitchandro]

Of course you do, You want to goad the away fans, otherwise you would sit in the Kop. Or is it because you are a bit of a cheapo?

 

Wow. Has it really come to this? Calling your fellow fans a cheapo because you'd rather agree with the club and their extortionate prices and their unreasonable rules.

 

What a sad, miserable old man you are. Shame on you for discouraging youngsters who want to bring back the atmosphere to our home ground.

[Silverdaz]

Serves them right. This is a seating area, and others pay to sit and watch. Simple, just sit or bog off.

Agree totally its a seating area not a standing area you can still sing seating down you dont have to stand to sing

[Guest Col city fan]

It seems the fairness people are asking for is to be able to do what they want. The 'i'm not hurting anyone' or 'i've paid my money' argument is tired, ridiculous and irrelevent.

Grounds were made all seater for a reason. Not sure if we need reminding of that reason but the reason is there. Many say that Hillsborough and Heisel were isolated incidents and that is completely true, however the all seater stadium was implemented to prevent it happening again and for all of the brovado about fans vs stewards (fvck the ***** if they try and stop us etc) if god forbid something did happen resulting in a death, would your evidence at the inquest be, 'well I paid for my ticket so there'.

I know there are some logistical problems but it seems that if you want to stand, you'll have to go to the area where standing in the ground is tolerated. Personally I think it would be great if eventually the majority of that stand was people standing. If people flock there then the growth is unavoidable but I doubt it will happen to that extent.

If you take the stance of 'fvck em, we'll do whar we want', you wont win and to be honest, there will be few who have any sympathy.

Spot on...

[rico]

At no point did I suggest we move the away fans so I'm not sure why you went on to talk about that.

 

You speak as if moving the family stand would be problematic which I fail to see myself, removing the block(s) nearest the away fans and tacking on A block would suffice - that way we can allow standers into N block while protecting the kids and still have the club shop entrance which seems so important - and is it really that important anyway?

 

Anyway, here's a nice map of what I'm suggesting:

 

 

No offence but you seem pretty intent on hammering those who want to stand in N block while I'm trying to accommodate the wants of everyone involved. You want to ban people, I want to allow everyone to enjoy the game in the manner they want.

in theory this is what needs to be done,not sure how practical it is though?

[5waller5]

At no point did I suggest we move the away fans so I'm not sure why you went on to talk about that.

 

You speak as if moving the family stand would be problematic which I fail to see myself, removing the block(s) nearest the away fans and tacking on A block would suffice - that way we can allow standers into N block while protecting the kids and still have the club shop entrance which seems so important - and is it really that important anyway?

 

Anyway, here's a nice map of what I'm suggesting:

 

 

No offence but you seem pretty intent on hammering those who want to stand in N block while I'm trying to accommodate the wants of everyone involved. You want to ban people, I want to allow everyone to enjoy the game in the manner they want.

 

 

Nice diagram, but not the answer for me.

 

I actually think the club have it right by clamping down on N block standers. Lets face it they are standing to chant at the away end and be the "boys" .... There's a perfectly good section for that ... L Block ..... Everyone knows that's where to go if that's what your match day is for .... And in the past that's what my match day has been for.

 

The Family stand is for that - lads n dads, and bringing the missus along if you really can't dissuade her.

 

What you propose would simply move the problem of the interface between the guys that want to stand / be aggressive towards the opposing fans (fine by me) and the families that don't mind their kids watching that from a distance but don't want to be in the middle of it.

 

Seperate the two ends of the supporting spectrum with the away fans .... works just fine.

 

Club are enforcing it. That's fine by me.

[Weller in Tights]

Of course you do, You want to goad the away fans, otherwise you would sit in the Kop. Or is it because you are a bit of a cheapo?

Has something badly gone wrong in your life?

You sound quite a bitter nasty man, hopefully YOU aren't a teenager, because to be so bitter so young would be a tradegy.

[Weller in Tights]

I moved from the L block to N block years ago because of that bloody drum.

I don't swear, but I do join in with the singing.

Those that stand at the back of N block are doing no harm.

If you were able to poll the families that are in The Family Stand, I feel confident they would say they like the atmosphere that has progressively been getting better in that stand.

There are 4 or 5 self righteous 'spokesmen' for the club on here, who seem to think they are speaking on behalf of the moral majority.

It is too easy just to say 'move over to L block'

My group includes 4 blokes, a 16 yr old girl and five 12 yr old lads. How will we get those tickets together in the L block?? We would end up way over near the middle of the stand.

The standees at the back of N block are causing no problems for anyone. If you are near the back of the N block and you do have a problem with the standees then please speak up on here.

However if you are just some jobsworth, sitting nowhere near this section, who likes a good moan, then please go and watch the Tigers.

[Jackubu]

Surely if you dont want your children hearing people swear and shout abuse maybe sitting them in a stand next to the away fans isnt a good idea? 

 

I dont see what peoples issue is with making an atmosphere at the football? 

[The Horse's Mouth]

We'll drink when we want **** the thai's we'll drink when we want

[Guest Col city fan]

It's very easy to say 'those days have gone' Col, but why should our generation miss out on all of that and play by frankly ridiculous rules, when it could and should be so much better.

I see what you're getting at re: rules, but it just won't happen.

It's a pipedream Dan.

The atmosphere within football stadia in the 80's wasn't only about and indicative of the stadia themselves. It simply reflected broader society.

To be honest, when in the Spion Kops, you could pretty much do what you wanted, within reason.

Now there is Health and Safety, CCTV, Risk-Assessment and a society Hell bent on litigation. Who can get what from whom reigns... We have become like the US and are going more that way.

This societal change is reflected in football stadia.

As someone said earlier, it will be a case of you only have to belch in the wrong place and you'll have do-gooders wanting you kicked-out of the ground because you're a 'trouble-maker'.

This won't change I don't think. In fact, it will go ever more this way.

To take safe-standing as an example. If it ever comes in, I bet it would take one, just one adverse incident to happen, and the whole thing will be closed-down again and all-seater stadia will return.

Can you stop the tide of litigation, Health and Safety and people moaning about anything they fookin want to?

No, I doubt it.

Will nights like we had at Filbert Street ever re-occur? I doubt it, but let's hope they do. They were fantastic.

Singing and atmosphere can happen. You only had to watch the Celtic game last night where just about the whole ground was singing. But I can't see that happening at the KP. I'd like to, but I can't.

[purpleronnie]

It's a pipedream Dan.

The atmosphere within football stadia in the 80's wasn't only about and indicative of the stadia themselves. It simply reflected broader society.

To be honest, when in the Spion Kops, you could pretty much do what you wanted, within reason.

Now there is Health and Safety, CCTV, Risk-Assessment and a society Hell bent on litigation. Who can get what from whom reigns... We have become like the US and are going more that way.

This societal change is reflected in football stadia.

As someone said earlier, it will be a case of you only have to belch in the wrong place and you'll have do-gooders wanting you kicked-out of the ground because you're a 'trouble-maker'.

This won't change I don't think. In fact, it will go ever more this way.

To take safe-standing as an example. If it ever comes in, I bet it would take one, just one adverse incident to happen, and the whole thing will be closed-down again and all-seater stadia will return.

Can you stop the tide of litigation, Health and Safety and people moaning about anything they fookin want to?

No, I doubt it.

Will nights like we had at Filbert Street ever re-occur? I doubt it, but let's hope they do. They were fantastic.

Singing and atmosphere can happen. You only had to watch the Celtic game last night where just about the whole ground was singing. But I can't see that happening at the KP. I'd like to, but I can't.

Very true, unfortunately.

[Harry - LCFC]

 

in theory this is what needs to be done,not sure how practical it is though?

 

Can I ask why you think that? I suppose it's a little more difficult having the family stand over that area of the ground but the club should be able to organise it effectively.

 

 

Nice diagram, but not the answer for me.

 

I actually think the club have it right by clamping down on N block standers. Lets face it they are standing to chant at the away end and be the "boys" .... There's a perfectly good section for that ... L Block ..... Everyone knows that's where to go if that's what your match day is for .... And in the past that's what my match day has been for.

 

The Family stand is for that - lads n dads, and bringing the missus along if you really can't dissuade her.

 

What you propose would simply move the problem of the interface between the guys that want to stand / be aggressive towards the opposing fans (fine by me) and the families that don't mind their kids watching that from a distance but don't want to be in the middle of it.

 

Seperate the two ends of the supporting spectrum with the away fans .... works just fine.

 

Club are enforcing it. That's fine by me.

 

But the away fans are just as abusive as the L blockers. Arguably even more.

 

In my suggestion the kids are indeed going to witness that kind of behaviour from a distance but it's exactly the same now where children will hear foul language from the away end. Personally I think there's just as much protection for the family stand in my idea as there is in the current set up.