Andy king?

[inckley fox]

I'm not sure what the argument is! King was very poor and he always goes missing in the real hell-for-leather top of the table clashes. He's a very useful player, but we should all be aware of his obvious shortcomings by now.

 

This is a very decent Leicester side. But I don't buy into the suggestion that King (or Nugent, for that matter) are essential parts of it.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

Here we go...

The Foxes Talk Faithful will argue that black is white won't they?

This is exactly the type of game in which we needed our 'key' players to take control and to win the game for us.

I'm afraid that Forest pretty much ran the midfield. Not in the first half, but in the second.

I say again (what's the point really?)... Don't look at King ON The ball, look at him OFF it. Lansbury basically had the time to control things, to orchestrate, to ping the ball about at will. Why? Because he had the space to.

It seems that, time over, when we play a game that really matters, where we need to control the match from the centre, King ends up lacking.

Fair play.... Today he wasn't the only one.... Nugent was dogshit, Lloyd was dire and Drinkwater was no better. But King remains, I'm afraid, just an average centre midfielder. He always has been and probably always will be.

When we needed someone in the middle to take charge, to control and to fight to get us back into the game in that second half, King, I'm afraid, again was lacking.

He ain't a bad player, but he's simply an average, Championship centre midfielder.

I think Lansbury looked a class above today. As did Jack Hobbs. Anyone who still feels that we didn't lose a very very good centre back when Sven sold him knows nothing about football.

Cue the insults. I don't care. King has consistently come up short when we really needed him for years.

He's ok, but that's it.

However, in that second half today we were utterly clueless which was not all King's fault.

 

 

and this is where nobody takes you seriously any more

[Arriba Los Zorros]

Why does a midfielder have to be tough tackling? Give me a player who is intelligent enough to sweep up without having to battle physically over a player who has to do blood and thunder challenges all day long, because the first is a far better defensive player. King's qualities are essentially what he gets berated for: he seems invisible because he doesn't put a foot wrong most of the time: he doesn't launch stupid passes like Wellens did, he doesn't dive into tackles like Tiatto, instead he just finds the positions to get the ball easily and retains possession well. Those who criticise him for this are just ill-educated mongols.

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[dmayne7]

 Col you've made me laugh. If people aren't allowed to comment on players without having seen them, then why did you bang on about signing JET last year? You thought he was going to be a big unit in the middle of the park yet after a lot of backwards and forth, I finally managed to explain to you that he was not a central midfielder. Plus, you're obsessed with having a big man in the middle so no wonder you don't rate King!

[dmayne7]

Why does a midfielder have to be tough tackling? Give me a player who is intelligent enough to sweep up without having to battle physically over a player who has to do blood and thunder challenges all day long, because the first is a far better defensive player. King's qualities are essentially what he gets berated for: he seems invisible because he doesn't put a foot wrong most of the time: he doesn't launch stupid passes like Wellens did, he doesn't dive into tackles like Tiatto, instead he just finds the positions to get the ball easily and retains possession well. Those who criticise him for this are just ill-educated mongols.

 

Spot on. People who don't appreciate his play style, will not like him and I understand that but there is certainly no better at what he does in this division.

[Gubbins]

I don't think any Leicester player in history has been so lauded for what they do without the ball. Lennon, Izzett, Parker etc weren't great players because of their off the ball work! I fully agree with col on this. Is king rubbish? Certainly not but neither is he brilliant or indispensable. He has played regularly in a top half championship side for 5 years now and made something of a name for himself the season he scored all the goals and yet there has never been any serious interest from premiership teams and practically none at all now his goals have dried up. Given the speed that talent is hoovered up in this division, this alone tells you something as does his failure to hold down a place in a poor Wales team. If we're going to freshen the side up after the international break king should be one of the first people out of the team.

[Guest Col city fan]

The point I was making is that the OP was getting criticised, supposedly for making comments about King on the back of today's game. ie. a knee-jerk reaction.

Criticising King isn't knee-jerk! He's an average Championship midfielder like the above post quite rightly says.

If he was of Premiership ability, he would play in the Premiership. I've sometimes questioned why if King was so good, is he not a regular Wales starter? Well doesn't David Vaughan often keep him out? And he plays for Forest!

No, I like King, I respect him. He's a decent player. He's a loyal servant to the club. But that central midfield needs sorting once and for all IMO.

[Guest Col city fan]

Spot on. People who don't appreciate his play style, will not like him and I understand that but there is certainly no better at what he does in this division.

Thus, as usual, missing the point that no side with Andy King featuring on a regular basis has gotten anyway near automatic promotion to the Prem.

No better at what he does in the division therefore equates, unfortunately, to not quite good enough.

[Guest Col city fan]

Col you've made me laugh. If people aren't allowed to comment on players without having seen them, then why did you bang on about signing JET last year? You thought he was going to be a big unit in the middle of the park yet after a lot of backwards and forth, I finally managed to explain to you that he was not a central midfielder. Plus, you're obsessed with having a big man in the middle so no wonder you don't rate King!

Firstly, I have seen JET play, for reasons I don't need to go into.

Secondly, he had played for some time as a utility player. All over the pitch. Now his favoured position is striker/just off the front two.

Thirdly, who doesn't rate King? Have you never read any of my posts on King, or can't you comprehend?

Forget it, I don't need to explain it to you, frankly you don't wanna know.

[Guest Col city fan]

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A post which finishes 'ill educated Mongols'?! equates to the closure of a debate?

Never go into politics, or debating, or race-relations or the care industry.

[ADK]

I thought King did ok yesterday. Why does King get criticised when Drinkwater got 2 assists for Forest? Is it because he skewed a long pass near the end of the match?

[Monsell1976]

King is probably our most overrated player, looks good against lower opposition, and non existence against the good sides.

People cannot understand why we cannot keep clean sheets with such a strong defence, for me it's lack of protection from the midfield, I agree with those on here that don't think king is good enough to warrant a regular first team spot, good squad player, but we need better to really challenge for the top two.

[Guest Col city fan]

King is probably our most overrated player, looks good against lower opposition, and non existence against the good sides.

People cannot understand why we cannot keep clean sheets with such a strong defence, for me it's lack of protection from the midfield, I agree with those on here that don't think king is good enough to warrant a regular first team spot, good squad player, but we need better to really challenge for the top two.

Nail on head.

[Guest ttfn]

King is probably our most overrated player, looks good against lower opposition, and non existence against the good sides.

People cannot understand why we cannot keep clean sheets with such a strong defence, for me it's lack of protection from the midfield, I agree with those on here that don't think king is good enough to warrant a regular first team spot, good squad player, but we need better to really challenge for the top two.

We're in the top 2 and King has started almost every game. We're averaging over 2 pts per game.

Also, King was our best player away at Watford in the PO final 2nd leg - our biggest game of last season. And against Brighton a few weeks earlier. And he had a stormer at the City Ground in our 2nd biggest game of last season.

King has been a mainstay in this midfield for nearly 5 years in which time we've consistently had an excellent defensive record.

So really this is complete guff from start to finish.

[Stadt]

Well either way, I want James in against Ipswich.

[Fox92]

Forest came and kicked us/got in our faces yesterday, and players like King can't seem to cope with it. He wasn't that great yesterday, and it does annoy me that he can 'get away with it' while people continue to pick on Nugent.

 

Look, I am a King 'fan' (of course), but he should have been brought off yesterday, the game passed him by and he was non-existent. 

[Monsell1976]

We're in the top 2 and King has started almost every game. We're averaging over 2 pts per game.

Also, King was our best player away at Watford in the PO final 2nd leg - our biggest game of last season. And against Brighton a few weeks earlier. And he had a stormer at the City Ground in our 2nd biggest game of last season.

King has been a mainstay in this midfield for nearly 5 years in which time we've consistently had an excellent defensive record.

So really this is complete guff from start to finish.

In your opinion, and I stick by mine

[The Doctor]

I don't think any Leicester player in history has been so lauded for what they do without the ball. Lennon, Izzett, Parker etc weren't great players because of their off the ball work! I fully agree with col on this. Is king rubbish? Certainly not but neither is he brilliant or indispensable. He has played regularly in a top half championship side for 5 years now and made something of a name for himself the season he scored all the goals and yet there has never been any serious interest from premiership teams and practically none at all now his goals have dried up. Given the speed that talent is hoovered up in this division, this alone tells you something as does his failure to hold down a place in a poor Wales team. If we're going to freshen the side up after the international break king should be one of the first people out of the team.

 

Wales may not be great, but they do have a pretty good midfield on offer to them, he's got to compete with players like Ramsey & Ledley - both champions league players. They get nowhere due to their wank strikeforce (e.g. Steve Morison) not their midfield.

[Guest ttfn]

In your opinion, and I stick by mine

My opinion is supported by facts. Yours isn't supported by anything.

[Guest Col city fan]

My opinion is supported by facts. Yours isn't supported by anything.

I think stating that King has been the mainstay of a midfield that has for five years, never achieved even a play off final, despite having millions of pounds pumped into the squad doesn't really make a particularly strong argument does it?

If you want 'facts', look at assists for example. King's contribution in this area, for the past two/three seasons has been below average.

I don't think he even appeared in the top 20 'assisters' last season? Yet this is the player who you yourself, believes to calmly control a midfield.

Stats like assists are crucial. They indicate the KEY passes made to players in the final third. I believe Ben Marshall was our top player in this respect last season. A fact completely ignored by most I would suspect.

[blue army 1988]

My opinion is supported by facts. Yours isn't supported by anything.

It wouldnt be an opinion if it was factual.

[shade]

and this is where nobody takes you seriously any more

they ever did?

[blue army 1988]

I think stating that King has been the mainstay of a midfield that has for five years, never achieved even a play off final

As i cant disagree with you about that hes been there so long and never been to a play off final i just want to point out that one player dosnt make a team.

If king had the skill of beckham or zidane h would still be in the same position as the players around him would not be as good.

Its a team game. 1 man dosnt get to the playoff finals. The team does.

[Guest Col city fan]

As i cant disagree with you about that hes been there so long and never been to a play off final i just want to point out that one player dosnt make a team.

If king had the skill of beckham or zidane h would still be in the same position as the players around him would not be as good.

Its a team game. 1 man dosnt get to the playoff finals. The team does.

Fair play bud... True

The repost was really to ttfn and 'facts'.

The 'fact' is we are still in the Championship and the 'fact' is King doesn't assist many goals.

It don't make him a bad player. Neither does it make him Premiership quality, like some are suggesting. In 'fact' even Paul Konchesky got more 'assists' than King last season, as did Danny Drinkwater?

King got 3 for the season.

This season, so far, King has just one 'assist' to his name.

[Dickov22]

Col is spot on about Hobbs. Kingy is a decent player, thought he was one of our better performers yesterday. I do think Matty James is too good a player to be left out though.

Col is spot on about Hobbs. Kingy is a decent player, thought he was one of our better performers yesterday. I do think Matty James is too good a player to be left out though.