cityfanlee23 Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 Such as? There are opinions and facts, you can have your own opinion but you cannot have your own facts. So why is there a debate on here? It's all opinions... Pearson says he does it for the view, but if it was FACT that it was better, everyone would do it... therefore it's his opinion, but people on here who have no footballing management experience are spouting why he does this and why he does that and why he played that formation and what he was thinking and what he had for dinner etc etc, this is not aimed at you in particular, but everyone is debating why when ultimately we hardly know!
Babylon Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 So why is there a debate on here? It's all opinions... Pearson says he does it for the view, but if it was FACT that it was better, everyone would do it... therefore it's his opinion, but people on here who have no footballing management experience are spouting why he does this and why he does that and why he played that formation and what he was thinking and what he had for dinner etc etc, this is not aimed at you in particular, but everyone is debating why when ultimately we hardly know! See my post above where I said "Clearly we'll never know either way though". I have no problem with people saying they would prefer him to be on the bench, and have never said anyone is incorrect in thinking so. Personally, as already stated I don't care where he is so long as we are doing ok. There are pluses and minuses for both. The problem I have, and the problem others seemingly have, is that anyone with the opposite view point gets things like "The lengths people will go to argue that their beloved Pearson is right gets worse with this very thread." thrown at them. And for people to proclaim he is wrong to be up there. Which, as you and I have pointed out is fairly ridiculous as it cannot be proved either way whether it's good or bad. All we do know, is that we're doing alright, currently better than last year when he was sat in the dugout.
cityfanlee23 Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 See my post above where I said "Clearly we'll never know either way though". I have no problem with people saying they would prefer him to be on the bench, and have never said anyone is incorrect in thinking so. Personally, as already stated I don't care where he is so long as we are doing ok. There are pluses and minuses for both. The problem I have, and the problem others seemingly have, is that anyone with the opposite view point gets things like "The lengths people will go to argue that their beloved Pearson is right gets worse with this very thread." thrown at them. And for people to proclaim he is wrong to be up there. Which, as you and I have pointed out is fairly ridiculous as it cannot be proved either way whether it's good or bad. All we do know, is that we're doing alright, currently better than last year when he was sat in the dugout. Fair points, I must have misunderstood you, I'm saying the same as you
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 Although anyone saying the opposite to you is cearly going to great lengths to defend Pearson, and should rightly be ignored... the fools.Who's ignoring anyone Babs?Its a discussion. Im defending my corner like you would. And yes, having read countless threads on Pearson, I do think there are some that tend to make an argument for him and what he does without critiquing him as well. Fair play, its all opinion. One fact however is that the majority of football managers give direct instruction from the touchline. Rightly so IMO.
Corky Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 Who's ignoring anyone Babs? Its a discussion. Im defending my corner like you would. And yes, having read countless threads on Pearson, I do think there are some that tend to make an argument for him and what he does without critiquing him as well. As many appear to do this as blindly criticise him. Fair play, its all opinion. One fact however is that the majority of football managers give direct instruction from the touchline. Rightly so IMO. When a man has no faults, what is there to criticise?
Babylon Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 Who's ignoring anyone Babs? Its a discussion. Im defending my corner like you would. And yes, having read countless threads on Pearson, I do think there are some that tend to make an argument for him and what he does without critiquing him as well. Fair play, its all opinion. One fact however is that the majority of football managers give direct instruction from the touchline. Rightly so IMO. If it's a discussion, then discuss it without putting down others opinions and writing them off as doing anything to defend Pearson. I could understand that attitude, if defending him was clearly ridiculous but it's nothing of the sort. Maybe in other threads people do defend when they shouldn't, but this is not one of them. There is nothing to back up your opinion or anyone else's to be false or correct. But to be critisising the manager for it, when we're actually doing better than last year (a year he was in the dugout), and then saying anyone backing him is only doing so out of some kind of misguided loyalty just seems odd. You want him in the dug out, no problem with that. When a man has no faults, what is there to criticise? Made up faults?
indierich06 Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 Dont get me wrong Rich, you always make some good points. But being on the touchline controlling things by your presence and your demeanour is not the same as 'ranting and raving' on the touchline is it? You can be stood there assertively issuing your instructions without the need for the sideshow and using Di Canio as an example is an extreme. Im not being flippant but personally do see this as quite a big issue. I think 'the boss' needs to be visible and hands on, especially during a game. Finally, there must be something in this? If not, 99.9% of managers wouldnt do it. Its all opinions buddy and yours remain ones I enjoy reading. I just don't see the necessity for 'visibility' during the game though, or how you can control any aspect of the game simply through presence and demeanour - I find it completely superficial to be honest. Most of the animated managers you see on the touchline are the former players who want to be out there, kicking every ball, or the passionate managers willing their team on to win - and don't get me wrong, I'm not against that at all and it's nice to see, but equally, I don't think it has any real, quantifiable effect on pushing your team over the line. I think it can even be distracting sometimes, throwing a stream of constant instructions at the players, shouting at different players to do this, that or the other. Most of the work towards the match is done on the training pitch during the week, then after that it should be done before the match kicks off, at half time and occasionally during the match to respond to or counter specific incidents or threats within a game. If you don't do your job properly at these points, this is when you'll lose games and no matter how visible you are on the touchline, it won't matter. If you can't motivate your team to win before the game, or to pick themselves up at half time when they're a goal down, then it doesn't matter how much you're on the touchline, you're still going to perform badly. The only real benefit I can see to being on the touchline is being able to personally issue instructions, which isn't that big a deal to be honest as Shakespeare is more than capable of doing that and I'm sure that if the players trust NP, they'll trust his backroom team too. And I know you say that no other manager sits in the stand, but without a doubt the vast majority of them will have a member of their team up there to see how the game is going from a different perspective. For whatever reason, for the time being, Pearson has decided to sit in the stands. I'm sure at the minute, 99% of managers like being on the touchline. Until Pearson comes out and says so - hint: he won't - then we won't know why he's up in the stand. Maybe it's because he's recovering from knee surgery and he wants to be off his feet, but with a better view, until he gets better? Who knows? All I know is that at the minute, it's neither here nor there in my opinion and Saturday's game sums it up for me. Would we have done any better were Pearson on the touchline? I doubt it. Would Burnley have done any worse if Dyche wasn't? I doubt that too. I enjoy reading your opinions too Col (and arguing with them even more...) but you must be able to see that stuff like this occasionally comes off - whether intentionally or not - as criticism for critcism's sake.
Dan Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 Col your inconsistency on this place is unmatched. Occasionally make some very fair and well thought out posts, and then go and spout a lot of this crap. I have absolutely no idea how you can come to a conclusion that it's fans 'refusing to criticise Pearson' over something so trivial as being the problem. My general defence of Pearson is often strengthened by the fact what gets used against him is so often absolutely ridiculous, based on nothing and I'd guess it's just clutching at straws born from a general disliking for the bloke.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 The lengths some people will go to to criticise him is far more embarrassing. I am convinced we have some of the most fickle fans in England. A few games ago people were completely understanding why this was being done, now you get people saying he's doing it through arrogance? It really is unbelievable some of the crap I read on this site at times. Almost definitely
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 Col your inconsistency on this place is unmatched. Occasionally make some very fair and well thought out posts, and then go and spout a lot of this crap. I have absolutely no idea how you can come to a conclusion that it's fans 'refusing to criticise Pearson' over something so trivial as being the problem. My general defence of Pearson is often strengthened by the fact what gets used against him is so often absolutely ridiculous, based on nothing and I'd guess it's just clutching at straws born from a general disliking for the bloke. No inconsistency here Dan. I aim to discuss Pearson not in terms of 'Pearson' per se, but in terms of the issue at hand. For example, I tend to rate Pearson as a 'man manager', but 'man management' should continue during the game IMO. So his stance on this matter doesn't concur with I would expect him to do. And I dont think ive ever accused you of 'spouting crap'.? I expect better of you Dan.
foxfanazer Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 I'd like to see him on the touchline to be honest but if he feels it benefits the team more with him in the stands then so be it. He's doing it because he feels it is benefiting the team, not because he's arrogant or he can't be arsed
Bluetintedspecs Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 Fookin hell there's a massive kick off over NP sitting in the stands now "pwoppa nawty" IMO it doesn't make a difference, we're in the 21stCentury and messages can be relayed from as far away as the stands I believe. Every time there's a blip in form this forum produces the biggest load of shite and criticisms,all kneejerk reactions and quite frankly laughable. COYB :xmaslaugh:
Grewks Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 I think Blackpool fans wish Paul Ince still had a stadium ban.....
Dan Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 No inconsistency here Dan. I aim to discuss Pearson not in terms of 'Pearson' per se, but in terms of the issue at hand. For example, I tend to rate Pearson as a 'man manager', but 'man management' should continue during the game IMO. So his stance on this matter doesn't concur with I would expect him to do. And I dont think ive ever accused you of 'spouting crap'.? I expect better of you Dan. Inconsistency in the way you'll make some very interesting posts that I fully agree with, and then you'll claim that people refusing to criticise Pearson for doing something (which has only occurred with better results, not necessarily linked) are too scared to criticise him? No offence intended there Col, that's just personally what I thought of it. If I'm talking crap then don't hold back. I've nothing against you.
Dan Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 Almost definitely We're terrible for it but I do wonder how we compare to most fanbases. Listening to national phone-ins makes you think that being fickle is part of being an English fan.
Babylon Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 No inconsistency here Dan. I aim to discuss Pearson not in terms of 'Pearson' per se, but in terms of the issue at hand. For example, I tend to rate Pearson as a 'man manager', but 'man management' should continue during the game IMO. So his stance on this matter doesn't concur with I would expect him to do. And I dont think ive ever accused you of 'spouting crap'.? I expect better of you Dan. You seem to be missing the point, that from what I can see people have taken exception to. I shall perhaps lend a hand.... Bizarre comments once more IMO. Some people will go to any lengths to defend Pearson on this... The lengths people will go to argue that their beloved Pearson is right gets worse with this very thread.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 We're terrible for it but I do wonder how we compare to most fanbases. Listening to national phone-ins makes you think that being fickle is part of being an English fan. I know Reading apparently have a similar type of fan base.
Dan Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 I know Reading apparently have a similar type of fan base. Jesus. That is some low.
Frost Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 im afraid ive watched football from a touchline 1000s of times and understood and seen everything thats happened . he is the only manager to do it at the mo . his presence should be felt by the players and like a pack , he should be top dog barking out instructions with his voice having feeling, getting a reaction . it just isnt right , not working , looks biggy big bollox and needs addressing imo quickly . when we win anyone could be in charge but imo pearsons voice should be a lift to our team . if what your saying is true , he shouldve been at home and able to rewind sky+ sending the odd text by mobile phone into the dug out ????? he needs to get back with his troops in the frontline of action not watching them fight wars from the top of a mountain . What have I just read? You've watched 1000's of times on the touchline? What? At a massive football ground? Good comparison.... Who cares if he's up in the stand or not. He's still managing the side and relaying information to Shakey. If you get this wound up by a manager taking a seat higher up then you need to re-evaluate your life. #freepearson
sylofox Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 If we win 3-0 tonight no one will care if he sits on the fvcking river bank for the nxt five games.
Guest Col city fan Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 You seem to be missing the point, that from what I can see people have taken exception to. I shall perhaps lend a hand.... Thats not fair cos I dont know how to do that! How do you do that? If we win 3-0 tonight no one will care if he sits on the fvcking river bank for the nxt five games.
Babylon Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 Thats not fair cos I dont know how to do that! How do you do that? No idea... I just meant to put a smiley!! Ha.
Harry - LCFC Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/354588/Leicester-City-boss-Nigel-Pearson-standing-by-move Pearson himself on why he's acting all indie.
sylofox Posted 17 December 2013 Posted 17 December 2013 http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/354588/Leicester-City-boss-Nigel-Pearson-standing-by-move Pearson himself on why he's acting all indie. So he feel's it works for him so end off. So unless you want him out trust his judgement.
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