Jon25747 Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 Mandaric hadn't got rid of Pearson to make us a more sellable prospect. Do you think we would be in an equal/better position than we are now or do you think Pearson has become a better manager as a result and we are better off in the long run?
Mark_w Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 Mandaric hadn't got rid of Pearson to make us a more sellable prospect. Do you think we would be in an equal or better position than we are now? Or do you think Pearson has become a better manager as a result and we are better off in the long run? Gee what a tough question, I'll have to spend two or three minutes thinking about that one.
Jon25747 Posted 30 January 2014 Author Posted 30 January 2014 Gee what a tough question, I'll have to spend two or three minutes thinking about that one. Edited so you might understand it better
Captain... Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 I think the new owners would have looked to get a new man in at the first sign of trouble, if we weren't odds on for promotion by Christmas they would have got rid for bigger name. What happened happened and we can't expect people to not make mistakes, the good thing is that the owners and NP have shown capacity to learn from their mistakes and right now we are in a very good position, had things been different we could be an established prem team or we could be in the Championship languishing in mid table with our 7th manager and 341st player since the Thais arrived. Or we could have got promoted in their first season, promoted too early and come straight back down sacking Pearson and spunking even more of a fortune in the process. Who knows.
lavrentis Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 Mandaric hadn't got rid of Pearson to make us a more sellable prospect. Wait what?
Jon25747 Posted 30 January 2014 Author Posted 30 January 2014 Pearson walked? I always thought it was pushed rather than jumped?
AKCJ Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 I always thought it was pushed rather than jumped? I don't think he was pushed, but Mandy egged him on I think.
Captain... Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 I don't think he was pushed, but Mandy egged him on I think. As I recall Hull came in for him, Mandaric went yeah sure no problem, so Pearson felt like he wasn't wanted and the writing was on the wall that it was either go or wait to be pushed. I don't blame him for going, but I think he could have handled it better and made a statement to the fans.
AKCJ Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 As I recall Hull came in for him, Mandaric went yeah sure no problem, so Pearson felt like he wasn't wanted and the writing was on the wall that it was either go or wait to be pushed. I don't blame him for going, but I think he could have handled it better and made a statement to the fans. I thought they had a scrap because Mandy invited Sousa to the Playoff games.
Kyle_Le_Don Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 Would that mean Pearson would of had ££££'s to spend? Hmmm Didn't read it properly I don't think, even so what would he have been like with plenny of cash?
scinnell Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 Believe we would of got promoted before now but we wouldnt of had the financial backing to compete in the prem. So im saying equal!
ozleicester Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 If....Ifs and buts, were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry xmas
Dan Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 I believe we'd have gone up in 2010/11 as the standard was awful. QPR won the league and they were no better than they are now. We'd have had money to spend under Pearson and we'd have improved as a side. Letting Pearson go was the worst decision I've seen from this club since I've been going. I thought the whole thing was a wind-up at first it was that ridiculous. Struggled to forgive Mandaric for it.
Happy Fox Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 It was the Thais that pushed him, the Sousa antics (playoff semi final), who they wanted to install and did, but they let Mandy do their dirty work, anyway the Thais learnt the hard way.
Dan Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 I think the new owners would have looked to get a new man in at the first sign of trouble, if we weren't odds on for promotion by Christmas they would have got rid for bigger name. What happened happened and we can't expect people to not make mistakes, the good thing is that the owners and NP have shown capacity to learn from their mistakes and right now we are in a very good position, had things been different we could be an established prem team or we could be in the Championship languishing in mid table with our 7th manager and 341st player since the Thais arrived. Or we could have got promoted in their first season, promoted too early and come straight back down sacking Pearson and spunking even more of a fortune in the process. Who knows. That's one way of looking at it. I suppose they could've entered the Premier League in 2011 (assumption) without really having to have learned anything and they'd have panicked if we were in any form of relegation danger. At least if we go up this year they've done it whilst making sensible footballing decisions that they may not have made if they'd had it easier from the start. As shambolic as we were from 2010-2012, I suppose it's taught them some vital lessons. I hope so anyway. I hope if we go up Pearson gets a proper crack at it rather than being replaced by some journeyman Spaniard after a bad run. I wouldn't be surprised though as that's the fashionable thing to do in the Premier League at the minute. It was the Thais that pushed him, the Sousa antics (playoff semi final), who they wanted to install and did, but they let Mandy do their dirty work, anyway the Thais learnt the hard way. I get the feeling it was both. Mandaric did it to make it more appealing to the Thais. That would make sense and if it's true it's unforgivable IMO.
indierich06 Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 Looking at the current side that Pearson's more or less entirely built on a fraction of what was spent under Sven, I can't help but wonder just how good a side we could have if Pearson had been given the same amount...
LanguedocFox Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 Looking at the current side that Pearson's more or less entirely built on a fraction of what was spent under Sven, I can't help but wonder just how good a side we could have if Pearson had been given the same amount... I get the impression from Pearson's two spells with us that he prefers building teams of younger players rather than buying in teams of expensive (potential) prima donnas. It was stupid of Mandaric and/or the Thais to make Pearson unwelcome, and even more blindingly stupid to employ de Sousa and then Sven. But I think/hope that everyone (including NP) has learned from the experience, and I'm convinced that (a) we will get promoted and (b) that at least half of our current team will have no problem in the Premier League. That's fvcked our chances then.
MooseBreath Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 It was the Thais that pushed him, the Sousa antics (playoff semi final), who they wanted to install and did, but they let Mandy do their dirty work, anyway the Thais learnt the hard way. Incorrect, Mandaric let NP go, Mandaric appointed Sousa, Mandaric appointed Sven. The Thais biggest mistake was trusting Mandaric
indierich06 Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 It was the Thais that pushed him, the Sousa antics (playoff semi final), who they wanted to install and did, but they let Mandy do their dirty work, anyway the Thais learnt the hard way. Incorrect, Mandaric let NP go, Mandaric appointed Sousa, Mandaric appointed Sven. The Thais biggest mistake was trusting Mandaric How would either of you know without any kind of inside knowledge from the club? It's never been publically stated who was responsible for NP leaving/Sousa signing/Sven signing, so unless you're bezzie mates with the Thais and Mandaric, neither of you know what went on. All I can say is, if the Thais were responsible for the pushing out of Pearson and the hiring of those two managers, then they made some big mistakes. If they trusted Mandaric - a chairman with an atrocious tack record in appointing managers - to get rid of Pearson and find his replacements, then that's even worse. Any astute, intelligent businessman would take one look at Milan's list of managers for Portsmouth and Leicester and immediately ignore anything he had to say.
MooseBreath Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 How would either of you know without any kind of inside knowledge from the club? It's never been publically stated who was responsible for NP leaving/Sousa signing/Sven signing, so unless you're bezzie mates with the Thais and Mandaric, neither of you know what went on. All I can say is, if the Thais were responsible for the pushing out of Pearson and the hiring of those two managers, then they made some big mistakes. If they trusted Mandaric - a chairman with an atrocious tack record in appointing managers - to get rid of Pearson and find his replacements, then that's even worse. Any astute, intelligent businessman would take one look at Milan's list of managers for Portsmouth and Leicester and immediately ignore anything he had to say. The truth is that I don't know and neither does the other guy. All we know for sure is that Mandaric was kept on "for advice". If the Thais were already calling the shots, there would have been no need for Mandaric. Common sense suggests the Thais allowed Mando to make decisions early on while they found their feet, before chucking him out as soon as they realised what a mess he was making.
Captain... Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 How would either of you know without any kind of inside knowledge from the club? It's never been publically stated who was responsible for NP leaving/Sousa signing/Sven signing, so unless you're bezzie mates with the Thais and Mandaric, neither of you know what went on. All I can say is, if the Thais were responsible for the pushing out of Pearson and the hiring of those two managers, then they made some big mistakes. If they trusted Mandaric - a chairman with an atrocious tack record in appointing managers - to get rid of Pearson and find his replacements, then that's even worse. Any astute, intelligent businessman would take one look at Milan's list of managers for Portsmouth and Leicester and immediately ignore anything he had to say. The Thais weren't at the club when Pearson left, they didn't invite Sousa to the play off Semi, and weren't close personal friends with Sousa. Mandy was looking to sell, and allowed Hull to speak to NP in the hope he would go and he could bring in someone more media friendly, a bigger name, and make the club more sellable. Do you really think that if the Thai's had any involvement in Pearson leaving Leicester for Hull, he would have come back? On Tuesday 29 June 2010, it was confirmed that Nigel Pearson had left Leicester to become the manager of Hull City because he felt that the club seemed reluctant to keep him, and that Paulo Sousa had been the club's guest at both play-off games, hinting at a possible replacement. On Wednesday 7 July 2010, Paulo Sousa was confirmed as Pearson's replacement.[28] In August 2010, following agreement on a three-year shirt sponsorship deal with duty free retailers the King Power Group, Mandarić sold the club to a Thai-led consortium named Asian Football Investments (AFI) fronted by King Power Group's Vichai Raksriaksorn.[29] Mandarić, an investor in AFI,[30] was retained as club chairman. I'm not saying that the sale of the club wasn't a factor in NP going, but it started long before the Thais took control, with Sousa sniffing around and only happened because Hull approached us, that would take some machiavellian scheming to engineer that by the Thais when they had no control in the club at that point. Some people do like to put 2 and 2 together and make π (chose π because it is irrational innnit )
Guest Gist Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 God was one of us, just a slob like GTF, just a stranger on our promotion party bus?
indierich06 Posted 30 January 2014 Posted 30 January 2014 The Thais weren't at the club when Pearson left, they didn't invite Sousa to the play off Semi, and weren't close personal friends with Sousa. Mandy was looking to sell, and allowed Hull to speak to NP in the hope he would go and he could bring in someone more media friendly, a bigger name, and make the club more sellable. Do you really think that if the Thai's had any involvement in Pearson leaving Leicester for Hull, he would have come back? I'm not saying that the sale of the club wasn't a factor in NP going, but it started long before the Thais took control, with Sousa sniffing around and only happened because Hull approached us, that would take some machiavellian scheming to engineer that by the Thais when they had no control in the club at that point. Some people do like to put 2 and 2 together and make π (chose π because it is irrational innnit ) Maybe the Thais weren't keen on buying the club unless Mandaric brought in a bigger name/more media friendly manager? We'll never know the truth, so until then it's all just speculation.
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