ScouseFox Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Exactly what i meant...the last 2posts sum it up. one can't believe the way the other thinks!!! i'm right tho
Raj Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 i'm right tho didn't say you were.......<you are though!!!>
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 I wonder if this debate would be different if you were Brazilian? Countries like Brazil expect to win the WC whilst we can only dream of it
Fox Ulike Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Amazed anyone said World cup before Prem survival. I thought we'd all be LCFC fans first and foremost. for me there isn't even a moment's hesitation to choose City. Yeah I am an LCFC fan long before I'm an England fan. But the question was specifically about Premiership survival versus winning the World Cup. I mean, unless you're 85 years old you have to hope that you will see plenty more success for the Foxes in your life-time... and I would like to aim a bit higher than Premiership survival being the highest achievement that can be imagined. The great thing about League football is the never-ending saga of promotion and relegation. It's part of football life. World Cup wins on the other hand are priceless and rare... Everybody alive today could happily live out the rest of their lives without ever seeing a World Cup win. How could you seriously sacrifice this just for the sake of seeing LCFC scraping 17th place in the Prem for a single season.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 It just shows what the PL has done tonour domestic game
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Its small minded to think of anything other than an England win, international > domestic. But why? I enjoy the World Cup, but it's almost like an entirely different sport. I don't feel a bond with England at all, certainly nothing like I do with Leicester. Don't get me wrong I love this country, but if England were to win the World Cup I think I'd say "Well I wasn't expecting that" rather than "This is the proudest moment of my life." But that's just me.
GingerrrFox Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 A better question would be England win the World Cup or Leicester win the Premier league because they are both unlikely to happen. Anyway Leicester to survive because it's my home town and my club. I feel more local pride than national pride.
Uncle Albert Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 What a thread! Couldn't care less about the England national side. It'd probably help if players were chosen on merit. **** me, all you do is bang on about the England team in the General Football part of the forum, what a hypocrite. Why? I don't like the players, there's no good reason why I should want these people to have such a glorious moment. Other than the fact I'm 'English'. I'm not a patriotic person. I doubt you're even English, I suspect your a Pole who came over here late 2008. Quite worrying how you have the opinions you do about footballers, were you not around to see what Peter Taylor paid average Leicester players? Who were arrogant nobheads. If he's banging 'em in for us next season I don't see why not. Can't be any worse than Rooney. What a ridiculous thing to say, this probably the stupidest thing someone has said out of everything. -- Like people have said, if the question was World Cup or a major trophy then I could really understand a lot of you saying the trophy, but Premier League survival? Absurd. Winning the World Cup means you are from the best footballing nation in the world for the next four years, Premier League survival? You're the 17th best team in England but still not as good as Norwich, Stoke or Hull. Where is Prussian in this thread? Quite worrying he hasn't had his two penneth involved in this.
Fox Ulike Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 I’d just feel a bit embarrassed if we won the Premier League… We wouldn’t have ‘won’ it but rather ‘purchased’ it. A bit like when Blackburn bought it with Jack Walker's millions. What's the point? If you have to buy it, it’s not worth having.
Uncle Albert Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 I’d just feel a bit embarrassed if we won the Premier League… We wouldn’t have ‘won’ it but rather ‘purchased’ it. A bit like when Blackburn bought it with Jack Walker's millions. What's the point? If you have to buy it, it’s not worth having. lol lol lol TROLL ALERT.
anotherwin Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 First of all, I don't even know why we're debating this because the chances of this England beating the best in the world and winning the World Cup are slim-to-none, whereas Leicester have a great opportunity to push on from Championship promotion. I've got absolutely no interest in the England team - much like a lot of the players that make up our so called 'team' at the minute. Yeah, players like Rooney, Gerrard and Terry give it all the lip service about what an honour it is to be called up and how they're proud to represent their country, but it's all bollocks. Give them a choice between club and country and they wouldn't give the national side a second thought, so why should I? Nowadays, international football isn't seen as the pinnacle of your footballing career, it's almost like a sideshow or an inconvenience. You can see it written on their faces when they half-heartedly mumble their way through the national anthem before they labour through the group stages before slumping to defeat in some mediocre 1st knockout round game. Where's the blood and thunder? Where's the passion? Where's the effort? It's non-existent. There are a few players in there who seem genuinely proud to play for the side, like Joe Hart and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, but they're in the minority. When I go to watch City play now, under Nigel Pearson, I know that I might not see the best football, I know that I might see my team lose, but I also know that I will see 11 men put their body on the line for my club and put in a committed performance. This is coming from players like Lloyd Dyer who, for the most part, doesn't really have any affiliation with my club or my city, but they're proud to put on that Blue jersey every week - which makes it all the more reprehensible that we have a team of 11 Englishmen who simply don't give us the same when they SHOULD have that connection. Look at Liam Moore - the bloke is living the dream, playing with a smile on his face, doing whatever he can to further the cause of his team. He understands what it means to play for Leicester and he knows how it feels to be a fan in the crowd, all wishing they could be the ones pulling on that Leicester shirt every week. Can you name me a single English player who plays with the passion of someone like Moore when he's playing for Leicester? No, because they simply don't have that passion in them. They're a bunch of millionaires trotting out the same old platitudes and excuses, before they trundle back off to their paymasters - the ones who sign their extortionate cheques, the ones who their hearts really belong to. And THAT is why it's club over country for me, every single time. Great post, this sums it up for me, put better than I could, so yes Leicester over England definitely
Dan Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 First of all, I don't even know why we're debating this because the chances of this England beating the best in the world and winning the World Cup are slim-to-none, whereas Leicester have a great opportunity to push on from Championship promotion. I've got absolutely no interest in the England team - much like a lot of the players that make up our so called 'team' at the minute. Yeah, players like Rooney, Gerrard and Terry give it all the lip service about what an honour it is to be called up and how they're proud to represent their country, but it's all bollocks. Give them a choice between club and country and they wouldn't give the national side a second thought, so why should I? Nowadays, international football isn't seen as the pinnacle of your footballing career, it's almost like a sideshow or an inconvenience. You can see it written on their faces when they half-heartedly mumble their way through the national anthem before they labour through the group stages before slumping to defeat in some mediocre 1st knockout round game. Where's the blood and thunder? Where's the passion? Where's the effort? It's non-existent. There are a few players in there who seem genuinely proud to play for the side, like Joe Hart and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, but they're in the minority. When I go to watch City play now, under Nigel Pearson, I know that I might not see the best football, I know that I might see my team lose, but I also know that I will see 11 men put their body on the line for my club and put in a committed performance. This is coming from players like Lloyd Dyer who, for the most part, doesn't really have any affiliation with my club or my city, but they're proud to put on that Blue jersey every week - which makes it all the more reprehensible that we have a team of 11 Englishmen who simply don't give us the same when they SHOULD have that connection. Look at Liam Moore - the bloke is living the dream, playing with a smile on his face, doing whatever he can to further the cause of his team. He understands what it means to play for Leicester and he knows how it feels to be a fan in the crowd, all wishing they could be the ones pulling on that Leicester shirt every week. Can you name me a single English player who plays with the passion of someone like Moore when he's playing for Leicester? No, because they simply don't have that passion in them. They're a bunch of millionaires trotting out the same old platitudes and excuses, before they trundle back off to their paymasters - the ones who sign their extortionate cheques, the ones who their hearts really belong to. And THAT is why it's club over country for me, every single time. Amen to every word. I'm not for one second disputing which would be more of an achievement, but I'd rather see something I genuinely feel connected to be successful rather than something I don't. Mind you, there is a great unity amongst the fans, and even non-fans when it comes to the World Cup.
ScouseFox Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Nowadays, international football isn't seen as the pinnacle of your footballing career, it's almost like a sideshow or an inconvenience. You can see it written on their faces when they half-heartedly mumble their way through the national anthem before they labour through the group stages before slumping to defeat in some mediocre 1st knockout round game. Where's the blood and thunder? Where's the passion? Where's the effort? It's non-existent. There are a few players in there who seem genuinely proud to play for the side, like Joe Hart and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, but they're in the minority. And THAT is why it's club over country for me, every single time. good post, i disagree but very well put. i would however like to question the paragraph i've quoted. did you stop supporting leicester from 04-08? because we had a team full of people who couldn't give a flying fúck, a new manager every week who couldn't give a fúck, definitely no blood or thunder, absolutely zero passion and so little effort i'm amazed we all still bothered going. but we all stuck through it because leicester are our team, so surely if you have those opinions of england players you stick through it and support them because they're your country? or do the same rules simply not apply? not a jab at you, just a question to you and all the people who say they don't support england because they don't connect with the players and feel no effort or passion. who did you support from our 04 relegation to when pearson joined? and what did you do for the 18 months pearson went? because we were exactly how you described england on a club scale in those times... edit - to add to that, we were shit as a team in those years but still had great days to be fans. 4-3 at chelsea, wins at preston and barnsley, beating forest away etc, all made more special by the fact we had been so shit for the majority and grown to take the piss out of our pathetic players and on the mad occasion they did something that wasn't depressing it was amazing. england is the same for me, especially of late. carroll's header vs sweden in the euros is the most i've celebrated a goal watched on tv in years and years.
Fox Ulike Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 lol lol lol TROLL ALERT. That went straight over my head mate.
Uncle Albert Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Yeah you're right three players who are only interested in playing for their clubs..
Captain... Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 First of all, I don't even know why we're debating this because the chances of this England beating the best in the world and winning the World Cup are slim-to-none, whereas Leicester have a great opportunity to push on from Championship promotion. I've got absolutely no interest in the England team - much like a lot of the players that make up our so called 'team' at the minute. Yeah, players like Rooney, Gerrard and Terry give it all the lip service about what an honour it is to be called up and how they're proud to represent their country, but it's all bollocks. Give them a choice between club and country and they wouldn't give the national side a second thought, so why should I? Nowadays, international football isn't seen as the pinnacle of your footballing career, it's almost like a sideshow or an inconvenience. You can see it written on their faces when they half-heartedly mumble their way through the national anthem before they labour through the group stages before slumping to defeat in some mediocre 1st knockout round game. Where's the blood and thunder? Where's the passion? Where's the effort? It's non-existent. There are a few players in there who seem genuinely proud to play for the side, like Joe Hart and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, but they're in the minority. When I go to watch City play now, under Nigel Pearson, I know that I might not see the best football, I know that I might see my team lose, but I also know that I will see 11 men put their body on the line for my club and put in a committed performance. This is coming from players like Lloyd Dyer who, for the most part, doesn't really have any affiliation with my club or my city, but they're proud to put on that Blue jersey every week - which makes it all the more reprehensible that we have a team of 11 Englishmen who simply don't give us the same when they SHOULD have that connection. Look at Liam Moore - the bloke is living the dream, playing with a smile on his face, doing whatever he can to further the cause of his team. He understands what it means to play for Leicester and he knows how it feels to be a fan in the crowd, all wishing they could be the ones pulling on that Leicester shirt every week. Can you name me a single English player who plays with the passion of someone like Moore when he's playing for Leicester? No, because they simply don't have that passion in them. They're a bunch of millionaires trotting out the same old platitudes and excuses, before they trundle back off to their paymasters - the ones who sign their extortionate cheques, the ones who their hearts really belong to. And THAT is why it's club over country for me, every single time. It is not a club versus country question, Leicester winning the FA Cup or England winning the World Cup, it would be 95% Leicester winning the FA cup, this is a question between your club achieving something fairly insignificant, or your country achieving something remarkable, and untainted by money and teams buying success. I also think that the current generation of players coming through care a lot more, the likes or Townsend, Lallana, Rodriguez, Shaw, Henderson, Sterling, AOC as well as the players that have established themselves like Walker, Cahill, Jagielka, Baines, Hart none of them come across as twats, and do seem to want to play for England. Whatever you think of Gerrard personally he has always given his all for England, same with Lampard. The only player likely to start in the World Cup that I understand people disliking is Rooney, the rest actually seem worthy of representing England, in attitude if not ability.
C-man Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Jesus Christ, 17th in the Prem every season or England win the World Cup? Do me a favour. The fact that so many of you - regardless of whether you care about the England team - have been brainwashed into thinking that finishing 17th is some kind of an achievement is an absolute fvcking embarrassment to mankind. I'm not the biggest supporter of England - I would quite like to be but I'd rather spend my football money going to watch matches that have something riding on them (rather than the pointless qualifying exercises with no atmosphere, very little passion and predictable results you have to invest in to see matches of importance) - but being able to call your country World Champions would be amazing. The boost it would give the nation cannot be underestimated.
Guest MattP Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Please tell me someone just hasn't posted a picture of a player kissing a badge as proof they care? Some players care about it, some don't, the odd picture doesn't change anything.
Uncle Albert Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Please tell me someone just hasn't posted a picture of a player kissing a badge as proof they care? Yeah I clearly just did. If you think Rooney doesn't care, have passion or pride in playing for England then you really shouldn't have an opinion on football. Oh wait, when Liam Moore did that when he scored for Leicester he was the best thing since sliced bread and had his own song made for him. Hypocrites.
Guest Col city fan Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Yeah I clearly just did. If you think Rooney doesn't care, have passion or pride in playing for England then you really shouldn't have an opinion on football. Oh wait, when Liam Moore did that when he scored for Leicester he was the best thing since sliced bread and had his own song made for him. Hypocrites. There's a lot of it about buddy..
Guest MattP Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Yeah I clearly just did. If you think Rooney doesn't care, have passion or pride in playing for England then you really shouldn't have an opinion on football. Oh wait, when Liam Moore did that when he scored for Leicester he was the best thing since sliced bread and had his own song made for him. Hypocrites. No I think Rooney is one of the ones who does care actually, though I wouldn't need to see a picture of him kissing his badge to convince me. You clearly didn't read what I said about Laim Moore's celebration or what I always say about "badge kissing" in general. "Steve Gerrard Gerrard His kisses the badge on his chest, then hands in his transfer request, Steve Gerrard Gerrard!"
Dan Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Yeh, Leicester sing about Liam Moore because he kissed the badge once. What a load of horse shit. I swear so many fans in this country read so much into small, irrelevant things such as badge kissing and use that to create some pretend hero status for someone. I am amazed you've resorted to a picture of Rooney kissing the England badge to show that he doesn't prefer club football to international.
El Sieffsi Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Premier League survival. Leicester City FC mean more to me than England. A Leicester victory fills me up with joy more than an England victory. A Leicester loss angers me more than an England loss. Change "angers" to briefly annoys..then pretty much agree.
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