Elliott rodger

[jimmeh]

What a sick twisted evil boy! How could he kill 6 innocent people. Well heres why

[leicsmac]

I honestly cannot understand the mentality of someone who not only beloved that but does something like that to "further his cause". From either a logical or moral viewpoint it is repugnant.

"They want to die from the moment they are born, but something twists inside them and so they kill instead."

[Guest MattP]

Has he killed enough people to get into an open prison?

[jimmeh]

Has he killed enough people to get into an open prison?

He shot himself after he killed the innocent people. Heres a video of one of the victim's father http://t.co/fPRflwxckq

[jimmeh]

[Guest MattP]

Poor fella. Unfortunately no chance of changing American gun laws though, it's part of their society.

[Fox in the North]

His mentality will be very different if he's got Asperger's syndrome. My sister has it, along with many other things, and I still don't understand her sometimes. It still diesnt excuse his actions, and he really should have got help. RIP to the victims.

[Jon the Hat]

Tragic. Another sad example of mental health issues and guns making a terrible combination.

[Voll Blau]

I'm not easily shocked but some of the stuff from his "manifesto" is truly disturbing.

 

Howe on earth someone with that state of mind can access deadly weapons more easily than the help they need is beyond me.

[Rincewind]

It may have been his 'superior' attitude that put girls off. He does not look any less attractive as other men his age so it must have been his chat up lines that put them off.

[BoneDog]

What an awful thing to have happened - again.

 

Read his statement. Who the f*&k did he think he was. Jeez.

[BoneDog]

Poor fella. Unfortunately no chance of changing American gun laws though, it's part of their society.

 

I think they'll be changing those laws by force sooner or later, not to protect the American people though, just to make it easier to run a dictatorship or something. The only people left with guns will be criminals and the government. The DHS are being armed to the teeth with dum-dums and allsorts.

[RedHux]

It may have been his 'superior' attitude that put girls off. He does not look any less attractive as other men his age so it must have been his chat up lines that put them off.

 

 The thing is, even if he wasn't a bit of a ****. If a girl did like him he'd never be able to tell. Not being able to pick up on any of those subtle signs we send each other in these situations. 

 I fail to understand how anyone on the ASD spectrum can be allowed to own a firearm (even if owning guns was the most normal thing in the world).

[Rincewind]

Was he on a mental health list? I was thinking it was only diagnosed after. It only takes a moment of breakdown to react. It's Ok the Gun Lobby saying criminals will still get guns but the ones that go on killing sprees are not the regular criminals. They are people that have a breakdown with work or home stress. It only takes a few moments to pick a gun up from a drawer and slaughter family members then go on a death wish. Hardened criminals do what they can to avoid using guns if committing a robbery. Their aim is financial gain. Of course they will get them anyway. They are not always caught either way so that argument does not relate.

They also come out with guns do not kill people do. It can also be said chocolate does not kill but if you put poison in it then it may well do. It is not to do with the 'right' to have a gun but the easy accessibility without proper background checks and even regular checkups on state of mind. If the RA want guns then they have to accept the strictest laws to make sure only responsible people own them.

[Mark_w]

His mentality will be very different if he's got Asperger's syndrome. My sister has it, along with many other things, and I still don't understand her sometimes. It still diesnt excuse his actions, and he really should have got help. RIP to the victims.

 

Doesn't explain his actions either. It's really not very relevant at all.

[MC Prussian]

Poor fella. Unfortunately no chance of changing American gun laws though, it's part of their society.

Although my thoughts are with the family and the families of the victims, the victim's father blaming it on the NRA and politicians in general is a bit a one-sided approach.

 

The kid was mentally unstable to start with, very withdrawn, had problems connecting to people in the first place and led a spoilt life in (apparent) luxury, sponsored by his father. It's easy to say things could've been done differently in the past, but I think that's a dangerous cocktail for disaster. Also makes you wonder how much time the parents were able to spend with their son.

 

Having a disability that doesn't allow you to feel warmth or affection is one thing, but the shooter does strike me as quite intelligent, but also cold and narcissistic to some extent, so deep inside, that deadly plan must've been planned quite in advance.

 

As harsh as it might sound, the Rodger family should take some responsibility, too.

[Lionator]

Although my thoughts are with the family, the father blaming it on the NRA and politicians in general is a bit a one-sided approach.

The kid was mentally unstable to start with, very withdrawn, had problems connecting to people in the first place and led a spoilt life in (apparent) luxury, sponsored by his father.

 

The family should take some responsibility, too.

 

The facts are that this guy who clearly has deep mental health issues, can get hold of a deadly firearm. That for me is the major issue here.

[MC Prussian]

The facts are that this guy who clearly has deep mental health issues, can get hold of a deadly firearm. That for me is the major issue here.

From what I read, three of the victims were stabbed.

 

Gun control is one big issue here, the treatment and integration of mentally ill people the other. The guy strikes me as a bit a sociopath, really.

[Rincewind]

He seemed fairly intelegent to me too as well as a spoilt brat who would throw toys out of a pram when not getting what he wanted. Being rejected so often and not asking himself why but blaming others certainly affected him. I can imagine him trying to impress by talking about his wealth. It would get too much for others eventually and he would gain a reputation. I wonder how often he was told the reason why he was rejected but ignored it.

[Fox in the North]

Doesn't explain his actions either. It's really not very relevant at all.

It's obviously relevant, Asperger's syndrome will have had a huge impact in terms of the way he thinks and consequently his actions. If anything his isolation would have been created by his autism over time. It doesn't excuse his actions but it goes a decent way in explaining them.

[Mark_w]

It's obviously relevant, Asperger's syndrome will have had a huge impact in terms of the way he thinks. If anything his isolation would have been created by his autism over time.

 

It's not the reason he's killed six people though, being isolated isn't the reason he's killed 6 people either.

[Fox in the North]

It's not the reason he's killed six people though, being isolated isn't the reason he's killed 6 people either.

I'm not saying it's the sole reason, there'll be many reasons, but Asperger's would have played a huge part in it.

[Captain...]

Don't get me wrong, gun control is a big issue over there, but as I commented after the latest high school stabbing, you remove guns there is still a worryingly high proportion of kids going homicidal in the states, seemingly more so than in any other developed country. The first victims were stabbed in this case, he didn't go crazy because he had access to guns, he did it because he was messed up and the mental health issues in the states are seemingly poorly treated. From what I have read his family alerted the authorities that he was unstable and they chose to do nothing about.

Gun control is ridiculous in the states, but if there was adequate mental health care, and they didn't have such a widespread drug and societal problems, and their school systems weren't seemingly geared to alienate the weak and uncool, then gun ownership wouldn't be such an issue. As it is America today is producing more people that think killing is an acceptable response to their personal problems than any other developed nation, and then providing them with very easy access to guns.

If this guy didn't have access to guns there would still be 3 dead roommates just no drive by killing spree for afters. Tightening gun control is only part of the problem, and I don't think we should focus the debate solely on that.

[foxfanazer]

I can't believe this is real! Watched the video before reading anything about it and just thoigh it was a wind up. Seriously messed up!

[Carl the Llama]

So many questions arise:  Did this guy receive any professional counselling? How much emotional support did he receive from his family? How much did his family know about his mental state?  If his condition was known about (going off the claim that his family told authorities he was unstable), why was he able to obtain a firearm? Did anybody in a supervisory role at his College know about his condition?  Did his housemates know about his state, and was any attempt made to make him feel involved or was he the 'odd one out' as far as they were concerned?

 

I'm running out of sensible questions to ask, maybe Fox News can help: http://gawker.com/fox-news-wonders-about-ucsb-shooter-s-homosexual-impul-1581412307