ADK Posted 26 September 2014 Posted 26 September 2014 There's talk about this taking another 2-3 years, another great use of public money.
leicsmac Posted 26 September 2014 Posted 26 September 2014 There's talk about this taking another 2-3 years, another great use of public money. I don't think we can really turn the other cheek on this one. Here's hoping our help is just limited to providing support for the Arab nations rather than directly, though.
Guest MattP Posted 26 September 2014 Posted 26 September 2014 There's talk about this taking another 2-3 years, another great use of public money. I think you are being very optimistic if you think this will be over in that time. We haven't beat the Taliban yet and they cover an area far smaller than what IS control already. I don't think the West will ever come out of the middle east in our lifetimes now.
ADK Posted 26 September 2014 Posted 26 September 2014 I think you are being very optimistic if you think this will be over in that time. We haven't beat the Taliban yet and they cover an area far smaller than what IS control already. I don't think the West will ever come out of the middle east in our lifetimes now. Considering it achieves nothing it is entirely up to our politicians how long it takes.
Guest MattP Posted 26 September 2014 Posted 26 September 2014 Watching the debate here it's quite clear it will be a yes vote, a clear consensus is being reached across the floor that some action needs to be taken. One thing I'm struggling to understand though is why we are only going to fight them in one country, for me if you commit to something like this you have attack the whole organisation and not just a part of it, it's clearly obvious we'll have to cross the border eventually if the mission is to be achieved. I can only come to the conclusion it's issues of legaility as the Iraqi government has asked us to intervene whereas Syria hasn't, we should be looking to work with Iran and Bashir Al-Assad if we want to give the World it's best chance to defeat this opposition and render them as an force too weak to take any sort of control over a nation state again, it might look horrific to some, but if we can work with Eastern leaders to win WW2 then we can do this.
ADK Posted 26 September 2014 Posted 26 September 2014 If you want to defeat Isis then you need to get tough on their backers. We are embarking on a willy waving exercise with no clear aims.
Steven Posted 26 September 2014 Posted 26 September 2014 If you want to defeat Isis then you need to get tough on their backers. We are embarking on a willy waving exercise with no clear aims. Quite.
Webbo Posted 26 September 2014 Posted 26 September 2014 Where is Jihadi John from? The US? No but he's killed US citizens. The FBI have used their expertise to identify him, they aren't the ones doing the hunting.
Rincewind Posted 26 September 2014 Posted 26 September 2014 So because a few nutters have killed a US citizen it is justified to bomb and kill women and children?
Webbo Posted 26 September 2014 Posted 26 September 2014 So because one nutter has killed a US citizen it is justified to bomb and kill women and children? One nutter? Do you ever watch the news?
Guest MattP Posted 26 September 2014 Posted 26 September 2014 So because a few nutters have killed a US citizen it is justified to bomb and kill women and children? What on earth.
Rincewind Posted 26 September 2014 Posted 26 September 2014 What on earth. is justification for the killing of innocent women and children?
Harry - LCFC Posted 26 September 2014 Posted 26 September 2014 is justification for the killing of innocent women and children? IS have been murdering thousands of people because of their religious beliefs for months now. They are the ones killing innocent women and children. We'll be sticking to military targets.
Rincewind Posted 26 September 2014 Posted 26 September 2014 In war no-one wins. http://lcfc1884.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/no-one-wins/
PAPA LAZAROU Posted 27 September 2014 Posted 27 September 2014 So because a few nutters have killed a US citizen it is justified to bomb and kill women and children? I know two wrongs don't make a right but isn't that is exactly what ISIS are doing ? We have two options we either fight them there or we fight them here. But fight them we have to. Their brand of religious zealotry would not stop in the middle east they mean to dominate the world with their religion it is written in their bible. Those few " nutters " as you put it are legion and their are thousands who think like that settled here hence the so called Britons leaving our shores and fighting for ISis. Those "nutters" have already indiscriminately blown up women and children in this country in the name of their religion haven't they ?
Jon the Hat Posted 27 September 2014 Posted 27 September 2014 Ken weighing in with some ill informed nonsense shock.
cambridgefox Posted 27 September 2014 Posted 27 September 2014 So because a few nutters have killed a US citizen it is justified to bomb and kill women and children?Ken,this subject winds me up with what is the most brutal ,violent ,sickening un Muslim group that is IS.Spreading their reign of terror in the most barbaric way,lining people up ( women and children)and killing in cold blood.Even the French and Belgium airforce have sent planes,so that about tells you how bad they are! Unfortunately there will be casualties,groups like this hide amongst civilians,however intellegence is good as these raids have proved already.Few nutters indeed.
Guest MattP Posted 27 September 2014 Posted 27 September 2014 is justification for the killing of innocent women and children? So we just stand back and allow millions to be murdered do we? In some wars many people win Ken, if it wasn't for us winning WW2, neither of us would have our freedom.
MooseBreath Posted 27 September 2014 Posted 27 September 2014 Even by ken's standards he has displayed an extraordinary level of ignorance in here. I suppose that's what happens when you ignore mainstream media in favour of wedeserveyourmoney.org
johnny the fox Posted 27 September 2014 Posted 27 September 2014 I know two wrongs don't make a right but isn't that is exactly what ISIS are doing ? We have two options we either fight them there or we fight them here. But fight them we have to. Their brand of religious zealotry would not stop in the middle east they mean to dominate the world with their religion it is written in their bible. Those few " nutters " as you put it are legion and their are thousands who think like that settled here hence the so called Britons leaving our shores and fighting for ISis. Those "nutters" have already indiscriminately blown up women and children in this country in the name of their religion haven't they ? There appears to be a massive point being missed here... this group is rampaging because of what? because they have billions worth of weapons and hardware supplied by the west and russians and chinese ... there aren't many arms factories in the middle east....this is our fookin mess..
Guest MattP Posted 27 September 2014 Posted 27 September 2014 Drop benefits, not bombs. #dno7 Prouder, poorer, peaceful.
purpleronnie Posted 27 September 2014 Posted 27 September 2014 Does anyone think this will actually end ISIS though? Intervening in the middle east doesn't result in fewer deaths, these things will probably just create a common enermy and increase ISIS numbers. I'm certainly not convinced this is a war we should be fighting and not convinced it will make us safer.
Dr The Singh Posted 27 September 2014 Posted 27 September 2014 There appears to be a massive point being missed here... this group is rampaging because of what? because they have billions worth of weapons and hardware supplied by the west and russians and chinese ... there aren't many arms factories in the middle east....this is our fookin mess.. We've got to pay for prisons, benefits, immigrants some how???? Does anyone think this will actually end ISIS though? Intervening in the middle east doesn't result in fewer deaths, these things will probably just create a common enermy and increase ISIS numbers. I'm certainly not convinced this is a war we should be fighting and not convinced it will make us safer. Constant bombing until oil runs out, then we'll leave ISIS to it!!
MooseBreath Posted 27 September 2014 Posted 27 September 2014 Does anyone think this will actually end ISIS though? Intervening in the middle east doesn't result in fewer deaths, these things will probably just create a common enermy and increase ISIS numbers. I'm certainly not convinced this is a war we should be fighting and not convinced it will make us safer. I think it's more about disrupting their growth than fixing any fundamental 'problems'. They might not be much of a threat to us now, but certainly could be quite soon if left to develop unchallenged.
Rincewind Posted 27 September 2014 Posted 27 September 2014 Well going to war in election year worked for Maggie but I am sure that thought has not entered Camerons head. If it gets rid of some nasty foreigners then the £60,000 per hour to keep a jet fighter in the air will be money well spent and even those in the NHS waiting queues will be cheering our boys on. At least it will give the flag manufacturing business a boost.
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