The Stadium

[Bettsj2]

Exactly how can you make a football stadium unique? Resurrect Gaudi?

[sylofox]

So not a fault of the stadium as such more a price for success.

[steveherbe]

Persoanlly, having never really been old enough to remember any games I went to at Filbert Street, I think that the stadium is starting to grow its own character more than we appreciate. Yes it's the same as St Marys etc but there have been some really memorable moments in it, Howard against Leeds, winning L1 and the Championship. Of course it's not going to be the same as Filbo but its slowly building its own memories and the even the atmosphere is really starting to pick up.

Most sensible poster on FT. Give this lad an award.

[AlphaMaleFox]

Most sensible poster on FT. Give this lad an award.

 

Nice bit of nepotism  .

[Jace]

I don't think its as bad as some make out with a well designed extension it could easily be 1 of the best in the Country, didn't used to like the way the seats spelt out IECESTER CITY but they've tried to rectify that now although I still can't figure out why they removed 1 of the foxes heads at each end (I have OCD) 

[Captain...]

Yes there is lots wrong with the stadium, as I've already explained.

 

Firstly, I'm not comparing it with Filbert Street. Filbert Street wasn't good enough, it had some great things about it and also some really shit things about it. I'm comparing to other stadiums that exist in this day and age.

 

1. The stands are too far from the pitch. Aesthetically this is poor and also makes people feel more removed from the action. It makes it less intimidating for opposition players.

 

2. The seats are a horrible colour. Makes it look dirty and ugly.

 

3. The stands are all the same. This means there is no proper 'Kop' end (essential for a great stadium). No wonder there has been so much debate about where people should go for atmosphere. This also makes it really rubbish to look at. There is nothing impressive about 4 identical stands which are all joined together and very basic in design. When you look at it, whether at the ground or on TV, it always looks and sounds one of the least impressive, least unique and least atmospheric in England.

 

4. This leads me to the roof, which is also just the same roof the whole way around, and is poorly designed. This makes the acoustics extremely shit. It's a real struggle to hear the fans from the other side of the stadium even when they are singing loudly in big numbers, and to prove the point - when you watch a match back on TV and you know we were loud, it sounds a bit rubbish. Compare with well designed (often older) stadiums and you can here a clear, clean roar much better, and that's not because more people are singing at all, it just carries more effectively. The sound you here at grounds like ours is much more muffled and quieter. Next time you get a chance, compare the cheering sound at our ground when we score with that at, let's say, Bramall Lane or the City ground, and you will see what I mean.

 

5. It's almost exactly the same as St Mary's, The Ricoh, The Madejski, etc. Giving it no unique touch that a club this proud deserves. We should have more than a generic identikit stadium. Where'sthe pride in that?

 

So yeh, lots wrong with it. It's got nothing to do with our fans (we've been great so far this season), it's just a boring, ugly, badly designed stadium with acoustics which do nothing to help our atmosphere.

 

And btw, what facilities are great? The toilets are as shit as most places I've been, the food/drinks are crap and the service to get them is awful. And contrary to popular belief there are several restricted/poor views there. What 'facilities' are there that people like?

 

1. The stands are too far from the pitch? The stands are too far from the pitch? Seriously, that is your first complaint. It's not like we have a running track round it, maybe a metre or 2 further back than at Filbo, the reason being to maximise capacity. Aesthetically it is nothing, it is uniform and consistent, it also allows for better access to the stands. As for intimidating the opposition I think the reverse is more important, the further away from the players some of our "fans" are the better if you ask me. Altough we are still close enough to alienate some of our best players, maybe if we directed that at the opposition they would be more intimidated. If you aren't feeling a part of the action maybe you should sit a little closer because I have never felt like that.

 

2. The seats are a horrible colour? They are Blue, Royal Blue, Leicester City Blue, you would be one of the first to shout if we changed our kit colour from Blue, you are so proud of that, but we can't have blue seats as they look dirty! What colour do you suggest? Gold? Red? This is your second point, not looking good.

 

3. Just utter nonsense, not a proper stadium without a proper Kop, I'm pretty sure Barcelona, Munich, Dortmund may disagree, but we are getting to the problem and it is not a problem with stadium it is the atmosphere, we do have a designated Kop behind the goal, and before you start going on about it not being next to the away fans. Anfield has one of the most famous Kops in the country the away fans are at the other end of the stadium. If we wanted to turn it into a kop to rival the best we could have done. We didn't, we split the hardcore fans, which is a bigger issue than anything with the stadium, which is really the issue here...

 

4. The acoustics, I love how we have a bunch of architects and experts on acoustics on here. The issue here is where the singers are, not the acoustics and the roof, if all of L1 sat in the kop and sung it would be louder and create a better atmosphere, but people were too concerned with goading the away fans. Even then it is not the acoustics, it is the fact we had very little to sing about for the first 10 years in the stadium you can see now that when we have something to sing about we can get the stadium going.

 

5. It is not, exactly the same, it is similar, but all you are proposing is having different stands, similar to every non bowl ground.

 

Most of your reasons are nonsense, or nitpicking against your personal preference, mainly based on Filbert Street, despite what you say.

 

It is a good stadium and we have seen that you can have a good atmosphere in there, when it comes to atmosphere the problem was the fans more than the stadium, when you are being out sung by a few hundred away fans in the same stadium, it is not the acoustics or the distance from the pitch, or goal music, or tannoys or any other reason you want to give.

[steveherbe]

Nice bit of nepotism  .

And your point is? Seriously though, he does make a lot of sense, son or not.

[Soar Fox]

And your point is? Seriously though, he does make a lot of sense, son or not.

lol

Jeez calm down.

[Guest CityFan 06]

I haven't been to Filbert Street in my life so It's not really my place to say about Filbo. However, the reviews seem to be overall good. I think the King Power (Walkers, Filbert Way etc) is a nice ground with plenty of functional views since I've been at the stadium. I've been in all areas of the ground, including the Spion Kop South Stand, East Stand, The Family Stand, West Stand. Generally Functional, tidy, efficient In my personal belief.

Continuing on, I do believe there's plenty more potential to come for the stadium. Just to mention the expansion of the East Stand in a possible and positive sense. I'm sure the expansion will look very good and may even help the atmosphere even more.

[steveherbe]

lol

Jeez calm down.

Soz, you obviously totally misunderstood

[Rich Fox]

Agree with the above post Filbert St was mostly shit and only loud when it was a massive game.

We got outsung regular and the old Kop sounded loud in there because of the low roof but it really wasn't that good.

People are either just remembering the big games or never really went.

[davieG]

The two worse aspects are the concourses are far to small for a full house and the sky blue coloured 70s style office block frontage doesn't have a redeeming feature apart from the glass badge

[Kitchandro]

Not sure how people can say there are restricted views.

Unlike filbo there are no posts or pillars in the way.

S what restricts the view.

 

Have you been sat behind those bars near the stairs?

[LAprice_]

I don't want to get too involved in this because I honestly believe this is a practical, decent stadium. It's only about 12/13 years old, that seems to be the biggest problem. Stadiums seem to get better with age, I don't know why, that's just how it seems to be.

 

My only real complaint is that the blue seats have faded massively, it's a shame that they were not somehow revamped before the start of the season.

[fleckneymike]

We are all aware that these 'faded blue seats' cant actually be seen by anyone when people are sat on them, right?

[Kitchandro]

1. The stands are too far from the pitch? The stands are too far from the pitch? Seriously, that is your first complaint. It's not like we have a running track round it, maybe a metre or 2 further back than at Filbo, the reason being to maximise capacity. Aesthetically it is nothing, it is uniform and consistent, it also allows for better access to the stands. As for intimidating the opposition I think the reverse is more important, the further away from the players some of our "fans" are the better if you ask me. Altough we are still close enough to alienate some of our best players, maybe if we directed that at the opposition they would be more intimidated. If you aren't feeling a part of the action maybe you should sit a little closer because I have never felt like that.

 

2. The seats are a horrible colour? They are Blue, Royal Blue, Leicester City Blue, you would be one of the first to shout if we changed our kit colour from Blue, you are so proud of that, but we can't have blue seats as they look dirty! What colour do you suggest? Gold? Red? This is your second point, not looking good.

 

3. Just utter nonsense, not a proper stadium without a proper Kop, I'm pretty sure Barcelona, Munich, Dortmund may disagree, but we are getting to the problem and it is not a problem with stadium it is the atmosphere, we do have a designated Kop behind the goal, and before you start going on about it not being next to the away fans. Anfield has one of the most famous Kops in the country the away fans are at the other end of the stadium. If we wanted to turn it into a kop to rival the best we could have done. We didn't, we split the hardcore fans, which is a bigger issue than anything with the stadium, which is really the issue here...

 

4. The acoustics, I love how we have a bunch of architects and experts on acoustics on here. The issue here is where the singers are, not the acoustics and the roof, if all of L1 sat in the kop and sung it would be louder and create a better atmosphere, but people were too concerned with goading the away fans. Even then it is not the acoustics, it is the fact we had very little to sing about for the first 10 years in the stadium you can see now that when we have something to sing about we can get the stadium going.

 

5. It is not, exactly the same, it is similar, but all you are proposing is having different stands, similar to every non bowl ground.

 

Most of your reasons are nonsense, or nitpicking against your personal preference, mainly based on Filbert Street, despite what you say.

 

It is a good stadium and we have seen that you can have a good atmosphere in there, when it comes to atmosphere the problem was the fans more than the stadium, when you are being out sung by a few hundred away fans in the same stadium, it is not the acoustics or the distance from the pitch, or goal music, or tannoys or any other reason you want to give.

 

1. Firstly, uniform and consistent is shit, I can't believe you're not getting that from what I am saying. I don't want it to look symmetrical. Maximise capacity, are you high? How on earth does that maximise capacity? Aesthetically, grounds look much better when the fans are crammed right up to the sidelines. It just looks better, more atmospheric, more involved, the closeness between the players and fans is stronger.

 

Your comment about our fans being further away from the players being a good thing is ridiculous. I get it, you hate our fans, but it's a stupid point. You're acknowledging that the fans being close to the pitch is intimidating but you're turning that into a negative? Silly. It's not the ground's fault if some of our fans are cvnts. But what's louder, a few fans moaning or a few hundred singing? I know what I've heard more of this season. And that is my point about the acoustics, if you can here the fans singing from the other side of the ground you're less likely to here people moaning at you.

 

2. Seriously? They are a very faded blue, are you blind? Honestly, I'm only on point 2 and I'm starting to think you've never been to our ground. Anyone can see that they're extremely faded and look awful. Use your eyes. What are you talking about red and gold for? You sound like a moron. Please stop changing the subject. Gold and red were never mentioned.

 

3. silliest point of the lot. Did you seriously mention Dortmund? Does the term 'yellow wall' mean anything to you? Hilarious.

 

Also can I point out the others you mention are 1) foreign grounds, I'm talking about British Grounds here, which are by far the best 2) not brilliantly designed at all. Basically what you're trying to tell me is that big grounds are great grounds. If the Nou Camp was the same size as our ground it would look crap. People are impressed by it's size, it's design is really not particularly great. I'd hate our ground to be that shape even more than the one we've got now.

 

You're also missing my point - what's a 'designated Kop'? Oh yeh, the club call it a Kop. It's not an actual Kop though is it? It's the same as the family stand and, if we're looking for an original definition of what a Kop was supposed to be, it certainly isn't, because it's not full standing. Maybe it would be if it was unique. You certainly can't really call it 'the Kop' if it is the same as the stand where the families sit at the other end of the ground. (I actually can't believe you've used the 'designated Kop' line, I couldn't have made myself more clear).

 

Never said anything about it being close to the away fans either. Again, stop changing the subject and bringing up things I never mentioned. Next you'll say stop comparing it with Filbert Street. (Just so we're clear, I made the point that I am in no way trying to compare our new stadium specifically with our old one. Pointing things out twice is obviously important with you).

 

4. I don't know why you're arguing with this. My acoustics argument is sound (if you'll excuse the pun) based on a wide range of witnesses, television evidence, etc. Also common sense and objectiveness, whereas you seem to be fuelled by 1) hate for our fans (blaming them for the ground's lack of atmosphere) and 2) desperately clinging on to the deluded idea that our ground is nice because you can't bring yourself to accept that we have to put up with it forever, so just resort to bias.

The acoustics are shocking, accept it. It takes far more effort to make the desired noise levels in our ground - far less singers at a better designed ground make a cleaner, better roar. Don't be one of those idiots who insists on arguing with things just for the sake of it. Again, you seem to be ignoring the fact that our fans have been great so far, yet there is a common them about the sound not travelling to other parts of the stadium. Again, proved by TV and ear-witness evidence. You cannot blame our support so far for that.

 

5. Ok if you're going to be pedantic, yes, it's 'very similar'. But no, what I am proposing would make our ground nothing like 'every non-bowl ground'. I'm interested to know what you consider 'similar'. I'm not suggesting just getting rid of the corners, I'm suggesting major redevelopment over several years (in an ideal world). Are you suggesting that most grounds look similar? If so, there's no point even continuing this debate.

 

Oh look! You did mention Filbert Street! How predictable! Give yourself a pat on the back, you've won my predictable horse shit response award!

 

Well I've told you twice now, if you need telling 3 times you're too stupid to be taken seriously, so let's see if you can get it right the next time. Then we can have a reasonable discussion.

 

Also, if you could get your head out of your arse and try to be objective instead of fervently defending our ground just because we play there, and you'd like to bllame our fans for the ground's atmosphere, that would take the quality of this debate up a notch.

 

Because, despite what you're implying, I doubt many of the fans that watch their team at the better grounds I'm comparing ours too, are envious of where we play. In fact I know they're not.

[sylofox]

We are all aware that these 'faded blue seats' cant actually be seen by anyone when people are sat on them, right?

That and the expense would be stupid.

 

 

Here we go with the we are rich we are loaded comments.

[cc_star]

Fans who watch from overseas > Fans who go to the game

[sylofox]

So what is an actual KOP then?

[promised land]

although I still can't figure out why they removed 1 of the foxes heads at each end (I have OCD)

Because writing King Power probably takes up more white seats than Walkers does, so they compensate by pinching a fox then only having to buy a few new blue seats.

Nothing wrong with our ground at all, one poster on this page (won't name him) is a complete muppet if he thinks those things are all wrong with it.

[oxford blue]

After we've stayed up this season, there's far more likely to be extra seating added. I guess attendance could easily have been 40,000 for the first three games. In revenue terms that's nearly £1m so returns for the owners look quite attractive. I agree concourse areas (and toilets) could be better, but that could be said about most, if not all, grounds.

[Kitchandro]

And by the way, yes it is personal preference.

 

It's personal preference to want us to play in a loud ground. It's personal preference to want our ground to be unique, nice to look at and exciting.

 

Just as it's personal preference to hate Nottingham Forest, want us to win a match and like football.

[fleckneymike]

So what is an actual KOP then?

 

It is a reference to Spion Kop from the Boer War I believe. The Spion Kop was a mound of earth, when grounds were build a cheap way of 'constructing' a stand was to simply pile up earth for people to stand upon.

[davieG]

The stadium is acoustically designed on purpose to push all sound from the stands onto the pitch hence it doesn't travel around the seating area or from one end to the other and that's why the players say how good it sounds even when the fans think it's been quiet.

 

Isn't the purpise of making a noise meant to encourage the players not to entertan or boost the bragging rights of the fans in the different areas of the stadium.

[sylofox]

It is a reference to Spion Kop for the Boer War I believe. The Spion Kop was a mound of earth, when grounds were build a cheap way of 'consdtructing' a stand was to simply pile up earth for people to stand upon.

You just had to big mouth lol

 

My fault as I did not direct the question.

I knew what it was just wondered what kitchandro would come up with.