Dickov22 Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Spoke to a man united fan last Sunday who was at the game says he was best player on the pitch second half ran the show I was there and much as I like him, he did nothing of the sort. Your mate probably said that because he's a big name
ScouseFox Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 james is the first of the centre mids name's on the team sheet at the moment for me. whether it's a two, a three, a two with nugent in front or whatever i'm not bothered, it's james and some others (cambiasso/hammond atm). he was properly getting into the groove of things before his suspension, and we've looked poor in the middle in each game since. admittedly hammond and cambiasso have missed the three games since then with injury, too.
Dickov22 Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Kramaric will thrive from those wonder passes he does through and over the defenders. Good point james is the first of the centre mids name's on the team sheet at the moment for me. whether it's a two, a three, a two with nugent in front or whatever i'm not bothered, it's james and some others (cambiasso/hammond atm). he was properly getting into the groove of things before his suspension, and we've looked poor in the middle in each game since. admittedly hammond and cambiasso have missed the three games since then with injury, too. Completely agree I understand your point too. I just feel that with him in our side we have a better chance of survival. My starting line up on Saturday would be as followed; SCHWARZER, SIMPSON, WASYL, UPSON, SCHLUPP. ALBRIGHTON, CAMBIASSO, JAMES, MAHREZ. KRAMARIC, ULLOA. In that eleven you have experience, youth and most of all, flair and resilence. A good blend and a potentially excellent team.
Dickov22 Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 I understand your point too. I just feel that with him in our side we have a better chance of survival. My starting line up on Saturday would be as followed; SCHWARZER, SIMPSON, WASYL, UPSON, SCHLUPP. ALBRIGHTON, CAMBIASSO, JAMES, MAHREZ. KRAMARIC, ULLOA. In that eleven you have experience, youth and most of all, flair and resilence. A good blend and a potentially excellent team. Struggling to take any of your options seriously. On twitter and here you went way overboard about the Cambiasso signing in the summer. Season before last you slated Vardy. You called the forum saying we should sign Capoue (bet you've never seen him play) and Lennon (is he better than Mahrez?!) Strikes me you just believe the hype constantly and rate players because theyre big names. Bet you loved the sven days!
l444ry Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Difficult for any of our midfield players to shine on the ball, King included, when we only have 35% possession. The way things are we have to judge their efforts without the ball. For whatever reason, our distribution from the back is very poor for this level of football. Cambiasso and the rest are playing with hands tied behind their backs and chasing shadows most of the time.
Nick Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Bumped... There are some interesting comments in there. 'Up there with the best midfields in the league' being one. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x23gp01_butcher-sharpens-his-knife-before-the-slaughter_animals 06:44 AM Do you wake up thinking about Cambiasso bashing?
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 You wanted us to sign Lee Catermole, your opinion is worthless. No! No! No! And No! Again.... For the final time...I did not call for Leicester City to sign Lee Cattermole. I said I would rather sign Lee Cattermole (or an equivalent) than Esteban Cambiasso. And I explained why. Our midfield is simply too generic. All men for all jobs, kinda thing. I've said before, you can't get a fag paper between them and many people have agreed with this. You play James and Drinky, you play Hammond and Cambiasso..or mix and match..all in that 4-4-1-1 formation. You are getting much of a muchness. Most Prem sides do not play this way. They play with midfielders who have pre-defined roles. Set roles. Players who know exactly what their roles are. Matic at Chelsea Song at West Ham Cattermole at Sunderland (has anyone actually read this guys stats, which are amongst the best in the division at what he does) Wanyama at Southampton Fernando at Man City Lucas at Liverpool These guys all sit and hold. They play just off the back four. They rarely venture forward. They mop up, so the attack minded players just attack......... THIS is what I called for at City. At 34 yrs old, I didn't think Cambiasso would perform this role like these younger, fitter lads could. My belief is that if we had signed Lee Cattermole (he was given as an example of a player who does this role) or equivalent, and played them in the way that all these other sides do, we would be defensively more solid and offensively more creative. And nothing that has happened at the club, ever since I made these posts, has made me change my mind. We sit bottom, we leak goals and we do not score enough. Please read (how many times do I have to say this?) I am NOT and never have said that Esteban Cambiasso is individually a bad player. I've simply said I don't think he 'fits'. When playing the Pearson way ( he favours a two man Central midfield) you must have two quick, strong, fit Central midfielders. Two guys with an engine who are as adept at scoring goals as they are tracking back, defensively. Personally, I wouldn't play this way. There IS room for Esteban in a three man midfield. That way, he gets more time to do what he does best. But this will only work if you have that man who does the defensive work. I have no idea how many more times I have to explain what I said and why i said it. On here, to be honest, I don't know why I bother. All you get is 'you said sign Lee Cattermole so your opinion doesn't count' which is so far off what I actually said, it's unreal. Another time out is looming...
filbertway Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 For the final time...I did not call for Leicester City to sign Lee Cattermole. If only you had the willpower not to be lured in. At least this is a fairly safe addiction compared to drugs, alcohol or gambling.
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x23gp01_butcher-sharpens-his-knife-before-the-slaughter_animals 06:44 AM Do you wake up thinking about Cambiasso bashing? Please try to contribute something productive and worth reading. It would be so refreshing to actually get your take on footballing matters. This is a football forum. Please try. Let's get some of your football views rather than just a constant piss take. Go on.. If only you had the willpower not to be lured in. At least this is a fairly safe addiction compared to drugs, alcohol or gambling. .....the forum is turning me to drink, fags and gambling...... I do all that as well...
Dickov22 Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Col was probably right. We should have prioritised a ball winning stopper who could play. Lovely player that he is, Cambiasso wasn't really what we desperately needed. Ideal world we'd have signed both. Col wasn't wrong tho
EnderbyFox Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Agree with you on the two man midfield point Col. However I think Cambiasso is a fantastic asset to sit infront and guard the defence, he's been a defensive midfielder at the top level for the past 10 years. The problem for me is that whoever he partners doesn't seem to have the creativity to control a game.
Dan Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 I can't be the only one who isn't convinced by James/Cambiasso as a pairing. There's something missing from it. In fairness I think that partnership seemed to play when we were using the ineffective Vardy/Ulloa partnership up front. Nugent's presence at least helps the midfield out.
Dickov22 Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Agree with you on the two man midfield point Col. However I think Cambiasso is a fantastic asset to sit infront and guard the defence, he's been a defensive midfielder at the top level for the past 10 years. The problem for me is that whoever he partners doesn't seem to have the creativity to control a game. Agree. So why doesn't Pearson regularly play three! We looked good second half at Stoke and against Man U with cambiasso playing deeper with two centre mids in front of him. It's obvious to me
Unabomber Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Have we ever played James Hammond and Esteban Cambiasso as a 3?
psychonaut Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 I understand your point too. I just feel that with him in our side we have a better chance of survival. My starting line up on Saturday would be as followed; SCHWARZER, SIMPSON, WASYL, UPSON, SCHLUPP. ALBRIGHTON, CAMBIASSO, JAMES, MAHREZ. KRAMARIC, ULLOA. In that eleven you have experience, youth and most of all, flair and resilence. A good blend and a potentially excellent team. Looks great on paper - I'd have Hamer in for Schawz. I think that is our best midfield 4 - with Schlupp coming on as an impact sub. Schlupp has been decent in the last 5/6 games so its hard to remove him from the left wing - which NP will never do right now (he didnt drop him when he was utterly diabolical earlier in the season). Plus Mahrez likes to cut in from the right and have a crack on his left foot. Plays on the left for Algeria though? Albrighton has played on the left before - but obviously not his strongest position. Shame Mahrez and Albrighton play on the same side. Alteratively play Mahrez at the tip of a midfield 3 and play both Schlupp and Albrighton on the wings in their strongest positions - with either Ulloa or Kramaric up front.
EnderbyFox Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Struggle to believe how out of his depth DD looks at this level, definitely been my biggest disappointment this season.
ScouseFox Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 quite a lot of the teams col mentions play two sitting mids though. or two that don't attack as much as the third. we seem to play one sitting and two who are more forward. we're still learning. as in it's not "wanyama at southampton", it's "wanyama and schneiderlin" isn't it? it's not "matic at chelsea", when they need to defend it's "matic and mikel" or "matic and oscar in a deeper role", no? liverpool are a complete anomaly because they play such a warped system. when city need to defend it's "fernando and fernandinho", not just one or the other. isn't it even quite often bridcutt and cattermole, not just cattermole playing vs 11 by himself? if you asked any of the players col mentions to play in a two then scrutinised them individually as much as he does cambiasso you'd see faults all over, i'm sure of it. the problem is even if we asked two to sit and played king/drinkwater in front of them we don't have enough going forward because both of them have performed poorly of late, and drinky literally all season. Agree. So why doesn't Pearson regularly play three! We looked good second half at Stoke and against Man U with cambiasso playing deeper with two centre mids in front of him. It's obvious to me kinda agree. but i'd have cambiasso/james "deeper" and drinks in front on an ideal day. if they all play how they have shown they are capable of playing, we have one hell of a midfield, with king able to deputise in either forward/defensive roles and hammond perfect cover for when cambiasso gets knackered. but drinkwater's been rubbish pretty much all year, and playing ulloa up top by himself didn't work, and playing kramaric up top would mean dropping ulloa. it's one hell of a headache. we have looked most effective with two sitting cms (hammond/james or cambiasso/james) and nugent playing CAM with ulloa up front. which we should play as often as we can, personnel changes would be kram for nuge over time hopefully, if he can be as good as he's meant to be. n
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 At least some people are actually reading what I actually wrote. It took long enough. Cheers guys. I've also said I could see Cambiasso actually playing a role slightly further forward. That way, he could do some damage offensively. He IS our best passing midfielder, without doubt. Cambi in front of a pairing of say, James and Hammond..I could certainly see working. Not far in front. James and Hammond deeper, sitting off the back four, with Cambiasso in front of them around the centre of the pitch. I see mileage in that.
The Railway Man Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Hammond-Cambiasso with James further forward really should be tried out, I think James is capable of it, everything we created home to Sunderland came through him.
ScouseFox Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Have we ever played James Hammond and Esteban Cambiasso as a 3? Cambi in front of a pairing of say, James and Hammond..I could certainly see working. Not far in front. James and Hammond deeper, sitting off the back four, with Cambiasso in front of them around the centre of the pitch. I see mileage in that. quite a lot of the teams col mentions play two sitting mids though. or two that don't attack as much as the third. we seem to play one sitting and two who are more forward. we're still learning. wow why has nobody thought of this before?! we're gonna win the league man. i love it when a plan comes together as some fella once said.
The Railway Man Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 At least some people are actually reading what I actually wrote. It took long enough. Cheers guys. I've also said I could see Cambiasso actually playing a role slightly further forward. That way, he could do some damage offensively. He IS our best passing midfielder, without doubt. Cambi in front of a pairing of say, James and Hammond..I could certainly see working. Not far in front. James and Hammond deeper, sitting off the back four, with Cambiasso in front of them around the centre of the pitch. I see mileage in that. It would be a bit strange at his age to adapt from a position he's made a career out of at the very top level to being pushed further forward.
Unabomber Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 At least some people are actually reading what I actually wrote. It took long enough. Cheers guys. I've also said I could see Cambiasso actually playing a role slightly further forward. That way, he could do some damage offensively. He IS our best passing midfielder, without doubt. Cambi in front of a pairing of say, James and Hammond..I could certainly see working. Not far in front. James and Hammond deeper, sitting off the back four, with Cambiasso in front of them around the centre of the pitch. I see mileage in that. I can see what you are getting at but imo he should play at the base of the midfield just in front of the back 4, not only to provide a screen but to be the man with the confidence to take the ball from the cbs and provide an option for them. Too many times atm we have no one doing that and we just panic. Only prob is we would need 2 midfielders ahead of him maybe Hammond and James but neither is the attacking type.
LAprice_ Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Whether it's right or wrong, I feel like we set up to nullify the opposition, rather than keep the ball for ourselves. I noticed this in our recent home game vs Aston Villa. The midfield duo, Hammond and James, remained so focused on keeping the structure that they rarely made themselves available for the full backs. This is one of the reasons why Konchesky is left with nothing but an over-optimistic chip down field. It worked in that game because Villa were not good enough to break us down, against better opposition, such as Man U, sitting back does not work as effectively. When Cambiasso is in the team, he can slot into the sitting back approach but with the added benefit of a footballing brain that works twice as quick as any other player. He can pick out the long range pass and quick free-kick so well. James has very good ball control and can often dribble his way out of situations, same with Drinkwater (occasionally). Hammond and King both read the game very well but sometimes appear to play for the safe option. All in all, James and Cambiasso must be our best option with the possibility of Hammond to make a midfield 3.
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