"We can't compete with the clubs with Parachute Payments"

[AKCJ]

That's something you quite often read in the papers and hear on the television from bottom feeder Championship clubs.

 

However, the Championship table tells it's own story as the bottom 5 have all been in the Premiership in the last 4 years.

 

Birmingham - 2010/2011.

Wigan - 2012-2013.

Fulham - 2013-2014.

Bolton - 2011-2012.

Blackpool - 2010-2011.

 

It might also be worth noting that three of those clubs have been in Europe in that time. Two have won domestic Cup competitions and you only have to stretch a few months to see that another reached a European Cup final.

 

So the question is, how important is it to have a settled owner and a manager who knows how to spend his money wisely? Is that more important than just being wealthy? You'd have to say that you can't just throw your money at 'proven' talent expecting a team to mould.

 

What is your opinion on this matter? Are we the benchmark?

[AKCJ]

Bloody 'ell.

 

Posted this in the wrong section.

 

Mods feel free to move this to Gen Sport.

[sylofox]

Bring back Sven Pearson is no good.

[AKCJ]

Bring back Sven Pearson is no good.

 

 

Not sure what you're trying to say, but isn't that the total opposite of what i've said?

[Manwell Pablo]

 

That's something you quite often read in the papers and hear on the television from bottom feeder Championship clubs.

 

However, the Championship table tells it's own story as the bottom 5 have all been in the Premiership in the last 4 years.

 

Birmingham - 2010/2011.

Wigan - 2012-2013.

Fulham - 2013-2014.

Bolton - 2011-2012.

Blackpool - 2010-2011.

 

It might also be worth noting that three of those clubs have been in Europe in that time. Two have won domestic Cup competitions and you only have to stretch a few months to see that another reached a European Cup final.

 

So the question is, how important is it to have a settled owner and a manager who knows how to spend his money wisely? Is that more important than just being wealthy? You'd have to say that you can't just throw your money at 'proven' talent expecting a team to mould.

 

What is your opinion on this matter? Are we the benchmark?

 

 

At the risk of stating the obvious it goes one way or another. If their structured and managed well (or their QPR) the relegated teams have an advantage. Plenty of teams have bounced straight back up in recent years

[Stadt]

It proves that the Europa league ****s you up

[AKCJ]

It proves that the Europa league ****s you up

 

 

This is probably right, perhaps the PP don't do anything and it is just Europe.

 

It'll be interesting to see what happens to sides like Hull.

 

There's been a growing trend of lesser English sides being in the European competitions.

[Stadt]

This is probably right, perhaps the PP don't do anything and it is just Europe.

It'll be interesting to see what happens to sides like Hull.

There's been a growing trend of lesser English sides being in the European competitions.

Hull went out early so they are fine, it should be a straight knock out competition because these lesser team's squads aren't suited to the extra games.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Liverpool did so well last season without European football.

[LanguedocFox]

I can't see what the negative posts are all about. The OP is making the point (I think) that parachute payments are no guarantee of an immediate return to the Prem.

 

Which is clearly true. What counts is having a manager who knows how to spend money wisely, get in a blend of experience and good young players, and create real and long-lasting team spirit.

 

Now where the **** are we going to get that? Mmm? Pearson out, anyone?

[1993fox]

I can't see what the negative posts are all about. The OP is making the point (I think) that parachute payments are no guarantee of an immediate return to the Prem.

 

Which is clearly true. What counts is having a manager who knows how to spend money wisely, get in a blend of experience and good young players, and create real and long-lasting team spirit.

 

Now where the **** are we going to get that? Mmm? Pearson out, anyone?

 

Er who's implying Pearson out here? Absolutely no one. 

[Manwell Pablo]

Hull went out early so they are fine, it should be a straight knock out competition because these lesser team's squads aren't suited to the extra games.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Liverpool did so well last season without European football.

 

Luiz Suarez made them and now he's gone their struggling, fewer games perhaps helped but that wasn't the main reason. Look at Man u now, out the League Cup and not in Europe and doing worse than last season when they were still involved in both.

 

At the end of they day teams in Europe do better than teams not in Europe as long as they've got the squad to cope with it. 

 

I agree that a Europa league group stage is pointless. To have to play 16 odd games to win a cup competition is crazy

[Vlad the Fox]

With the recent changes in the game regarding increased revenue and parachute payments for premier league teams and strict financial fair play rules in the championship it will be interesting to see how this affects things in the coming years. A team that is relegated has a massive financial advantage over long term championship teams and as a result there is a danger of a two tier championship forming.

Of course that is all theory but any team that acts sensibly in a relegation battle should be organised and prepared for a strong promotion challenge the following season. This is why I feel that teams like burnley and ourselves should hold our nerve and keep the managers should the worse happens as we know the squads good enough, the set up is in place and the management team and structure is there for us to be strong challengers the following season even allowing for some departures.

[sylofox]

Not sure what you're trying to say, but isn't that the total opposite of what i've said?

Thought we all understood pissing it up the wall don't always work but NP's approach has worked for us.

 

Even if you spend the Chelsea/Man City money it is not instant.

Most of us seen MON on a budget worked and Taylor pissing it up the wall did not.

 

And to prove it again NP's 2 stints worked but Sven did not.

Yes NP is going to have to change tactics a little now but he will still be one of the lesser spenders to get his results.

Spending money anyone of us could do as a lot of managers do but it don't make a great team a manager does.

[Stadt]

Luiz Suarez made them and now he's gone their struggling, fewer games perhaps helped but that wasn't the main reason. Look at Man u now, out the League Cup and not in Europe and doing worse than last season when they were still involved in both.

At the end of they day teams in Europe do better than teams not in Europe as long as they've got the squad to cope with it.

I agree that a Europa league group stage is pointless. To have to play 16 odd games to win a cup competition is crazy

Yeah I'm not putting their performances solely down to not being in Europe but it certainly helps.

[Kitchandro]

I don't agree you can't compete with it as such, but it would be silly t suggest parachute payments don't give a club an (unfair) advantage.

 

I hate that excuse Championship managers are given when they're getting a side relegated - 'they've got no money'. Neither have half the clubs. Very few have decent money to spend and that's why Sven's performance in that league was unforgivable.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Teams that blame the Europa League for poor performance are just masking their own failures.

[Aus Fox]

I think we have proved over the last 5 years that pound notes does not equate to gaurenteed success. But it certainly helps!

You look at promoted and relegated teams they ride on the wave of success, quite often the confidence surrounding a winning team carries over to a new division, Wolves are proving this, the challenge in a relegated team is Turing around a losing culture, while 11 million pound strikers help, it is no gaurentee for success.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

With the recent changes in the game regarding increased revenue and parachute payments for premier league teams and strict financial fair play rules in the championship it will be interesting to see how this affects things in the coming years. A team that is relegated has a massive financial advantage over long term championship teams and as a result there is a danger of a two tier championship forming.

Of course that is all theory but any team that acts sensibly in a relegation battle should be organised and prepared for a strong promotion challenge the following season. This is why I feel that teams like burnley and ourselves should hold our nerve and keep the managers should the worse happens as we know the squads good enough, the set up is in place and the management team and structure is there for us to be strong challengers the following season even allowing for some departures.

That theory works well on paper but the problem a lot of clubs have is they lose the best players back to the lower half of the prem or promoted teams and are left with the overpaid, underperforming dross that took them down in the first place and the club seems to have a losing mentality.  Wolves are the best case for this and went down twice in a row.  The parachute payments barely helped them to breaking even.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Teams that blame the Europa League for poor performance are just masking their own failures.

 

Don't think it can just be coincidence that so many smaller teams that have qualified for the Europa League have suffered for it. Smaller squads of less talented players results in a drain on the best players and increased poor performance. I have been thinking that, although I want City to do well this season, I don't want them to do amazingly well and qualify for the Europa League in our first season up. Build a platform of stability, expand and then go for it.

 

Of course, should the unbelievable happen and we qualify for the Champions League (which from memory, hasn't happened to a team outside the regular big-hitters) then the revenue and status that brings would catapult us to a whole different level that could change a club's entire outlook.

[Vlad the Fox]

That theory works well on paper but the problem a lot of clubs have is they lose the best players back to the lower half of the prem or promoted teams and are left with the overpaid, underperforming dross that took them down in the first place and the club seems to have a losing mentality. Wolves are the best case for this and went down twice in a row. The parachute payments barely helped them to breaking even.

This is why clubs need to act sensibly when in strife. Changing managers two or even three times in a season, high player turnarounds in January when the shit can see the fan and managers and owners start to panic. The money available to prem teams should now allow them to think further ahead, lose the season by season short terminism and sensibly plan for if the worst happens allowing them to be prepared to build for another promotion. However as you said it's theory that works well on paper, some will apply it, others won't. Maybe with a stronger top half championship, finance and better quality football, may see more of these players prepared to see out a contract and take on a promotion challenge.

[Nalis]

The whole 'League good Europa League bad' argument is ridiculous.

Ask a Fulham/Boro fan what their best memory was as a club supporter over the past 10 years and you can guarantee it would be better than a Stoke, Hull or even Aston Villa fan's opinion of their team over the same period.

I'd rather Leicester got to a Europa League final and do a Boro/Fulham for a while rather than be a mundane Premier League club like Stoke simply surviving...