Paris Shooting

[Guest MattP]

Of course you can't guarantee that poll is completely reflective, but it's the best you can find. I'd take those results if I were you, compared to the Muslims I'd read today on social media it looks generous to only be a little over half.

I thought the most mind boggling thing was that only 28% believe in the Holocaust.

You're s smart guy and think you know the score really, though like a lot it's often hard to believe things you don't want too.

[MC Prussian]

I get the impression you're trying to offer a defence by pointing out that most 'only' want legal measures to be taken. Sure, it's better than wanting them slaughtered in the streets but it is still a morally corrupt view to hold.

From a Western point of view, it is rather ridiculous. It goes against our logic. And I concur.

 

We've had a pretty brutal Christian Reformation a couple of hundred years ago, and sometimes it seems to me the Islamic world is yet to embrace a similar change.

[Buce]

Does anybody know if we still have laws against blasphemy in this country?

[Guest MattP]

Does anybody know if we still have laws against blasphemy in this country?

Given the BBC aired the Jerry Springer Opera I highly doubt it.

[sphericalfox]

Does anybody know if we still have laws against blasphemy in this country?

 

Jesus, God knows! 

[Bettsj2]

Hopefully one day the world will realise that religion is just an excuse for bullshit and has no actual use.

Until then, people will use it as an excuse for everything.

[Buce]

Apparently, the law against blasphemy was abolished in 2008.

[hejammy]

Yeah pal cos radical Christians kill as many people as Islamists do on a daily basis yeah

 

P.S. I'm a Sikh so coming from a neutral perspective, your argument is so demented it's not worth seriously contesting

Yes being Sikh is very neutral when talking about Muslims.......Moron

[AoWW]

Apparently, the law against blasphemy was abolished in 2008.

 

Phew!  

[hejammy]

The religion of peace at its peaceful ventures once again

 

Thank **** I'm in East Asia where the cancer hasn't spread just yet

Just to clarify...you talk about the religion of peace and then you refer to a speading of cancer....just to clarify are you saying Islam is a cancer or ( i really hope you are ) saying terrorism is a cancer?

[Grewks]

Hopefully one day the world will realise that religion is just an excuse for bullshit and has no actual use.

Until then, people will use it as an excuse for everything.

 

 

Incidents like the one in paris today has absolutely nothing to do with religion.

[Grewks]

Just to clarify...you talk about the religion of peace and then you refer to a speading of cancer....just to clarify are you saying Islam is a cancer or ( i really hope you are ) saying terrorism is a cancer?

 

 

There is no such thing as 'terrorism'.

 

Its just a label the media use to scaremonger the public.

[Guest MattP]

Incidents like the one in paris today has absolutely nothing to do with religion.

 

Nothing to do with Islam, nothing to do with Allah and nothing to do with the Prophet Muhammed or even the newspaper who were attacked for taking the piss out of Islam, I'm a white non-muslim westerner so I'm the man to ask when clarifying who is a Muslim and who isn't.

 

As Moose said, just look away, it never happened.

[Harry - LCFC]

There is no such thing as 'terrorism'.

 

Its just a label the media use to scaremonger the public.

 

The intention of this attack was to 'punish' those who criticise Islam and give others who might be thinking of criticising Islam a strong incentive not to. It was an attempt to alter behaviour through fear. That is terrorism, Grewks. No further debate needed.

[hejammy]

What happened today is an absolute disgrace, unaceptable and barbaric. I really hope the culprits rot in hell for eternatity.

With regards to some of the comments on here, I'm appaled at some peoples thoughts, being Muslim i go about my daily life , trying to do the best I can and live my life as I see how a decent person should live, with no hinderance to my ''Britishness' or ability to conform to the british way of life. I was born and raised here and i am proud to call it home.

In recent years ive felt the need to defend my religion from the disgraceful minority who call themselves muslims, their thoughts and actions have nothing to do with my religion. Recently ive also had to deal with idiots/bigots and intelectually challanged individuals who think that every Muslim is a terrorist. Please broaden your minds, why should I have to defend myself anytime a terrorist attack happens, infact i ****ing hate it when it happens, the sad thing is i am now hating it more because i think here we go more Muslim bashing rather than why i should hate it because how disgraceful these animals are.

[Grewks]

Nothing to do with Islam, nothing to do with Allah and nothing to do with the Prophet Muhammed or even the newspaper who were attacked for taking the piss out of Islam, I'm a white non-muslim westerner so I'm the man to ask when clarifying who is a Muslim and who isn't.

 

As Moose said, just look away, it never happened.

 

 

By simply belonging to another religion you are essentially 'taking the piss out of islam'.

 

You have to ask yourself what has changed? Why now?

 

 

The answer is simple. Dictatorships within the Middle-East were the only preventions in place to prevent, what is now an established, Islamic State.

 

Whilst the Mubarak/Hussain/Gaddafi etc dictatorships existed, the east had no common goal. Now it does.

 

 

 

A war is coming, a war where we no longer know who our enemies are, a war we simply cannot win.

[MC Prussian]

Just to clarify...you talk about the religion of peace and then you refer to a speading of cancer....just to clarify are you saying Islam is a cancer or ( i really hope you are ) saying terrorism is a cancer?

It's hate, disdain, a lack of humor and no understanding of what satire is (because from what I gather, it either does not exist in the Arab world or is heavily taboo).

The two brothers responsible for the killings are also said to have just returned from Syria (where they must've been indoctrinated by or at least been in touch with ISIS).

 

Violence is a cumulative result of several factors coming together. In short, violence (or terror) is the manifestation of personal shortcomings, with religion being a popular shield/excuse to hide behind.

[Guest MattP]

By simply belonging to another religion you are essentially 'taking the piss out of islam'.

 

You have to ask yourself what has changed? Why now?

 

 

The answer is simple. Dictatorships within the Middle-East were the only preventions in place to prevent, what is now an established, Islamic State.

 

Whilst the Mubarak/Hussain/Gaddafi etc dictatorships existed, the east had no common goal. Now it does.

 

 

 

A war is coming, a war where we no longer know who our enemies are, a war we simply cannot win.

 

Well to put it logical terms these people are amongst us now, before the North African indepence in the 50's there were barely any Muslims within France, attacks like today weren't possible then. Fast forward ten years for Britain.

 

We're not heading for war at all, this country has fought the wars it's going to win, people in the West fight evil by hash tagging on Twitter or throwing a bucket ice over their head or something, most of Europe will fall to Islam probably in about 100 years without a battle being fought. The only probable resistance will be from the Russians.

[Grewks]

The intention of this attack was to 'punish' those who criticise Islam and give others who might be thinking of criticising Islam a strong incentive not to. It was an attempt to alter behaviour through fear. That is terrorism, Grewks. No further debate needed.

 

 

That is the worst definition of terrorism i have ever seen.

 

 

 

Even the usual and generic...."It is an action with the intention of creating terror and fear etc etc".....

 

 

 

But, as i said, terrorism is just a myth. The men who killed the twelve in paris today were no more terrorists than bush/blair/cameron/obama/hollande etc.

[Grewks]

Well to put it logical terms these people are amongst us now, before the North African indepence in the 50's there were barely any Muslims within France, attacks like today weren't possible then. Fast forward ten years for Britain.

 

We're not heading for war at all, this country has fought the wars it's going to win, people in the West fight evil by hash tagging on Twitter or throwing a bucket ice over their head or something, most of Europe will fall to Islam probably in about 100 years without a battle being fought. The only probable resistance will be from the Russians.

 

 

 

But my friend, the war has already begun.

[hejammy]

It's hate, disdain, a lack of humor and no understanding of what satire is (because from what I gather, it either does not exist in the Arab world or is heavily taboo).

The two brothers responsible for the killings are also said to have just returned from Syria (where they must've been indoctrinated by or at least been in touch with ISIS).

 

Violence is a cumulative result of several factors coming together. In short, violence (or terror) is the manifestation of personal shortcomings, with religion being a popular shield/excuse to hide behind.

Agree!

The kids being indoctrinated are usually young men from low socio-economic backgrounds, stuck in a limbo of sorts with like you said a lot of personal shortcomings, its time we concentrated our efforts to find these despicable 'people' who brainwash these kids into commiting these monstrosities

[Guest MattP]

In recent years ive felt the need to defend my religion from the disgraceful minority who call themselves muslims, their thoughts and actions have nothing to do with my religion. Recently ive also had to deal with idiots/bigots and intelectually challanged individuals who think that every Muslim is a terrorist. Please broaden your minds, why should I have to defend myself anytime a terrorist attack happens, infact i ****ing hate it when it happens, the sad thing is i am now hating it more because i think here we go more Muslim bashing rather than why i should hate it because how disgraceful these animals are.

 

I have no interest in the Muslim community defending or explaining these things, what we need from the Muslim community is to stop these things, because we can't do it without you.

 

I wish all Muslims lived like you but they clearly don't, we all saw what happened in the trojan horse schools in Birmingham, thousands of Muslims knew about the hate being taught there and it took a couple of years on a random email before inspectors were sent in to find out, we've had radical preachers preaching in Mosques and Madrassas to hundreds with none of us finding out until Panaroma manage to sneak a camera in.

 

When Abu Hamza and Omar Bakri were preaching every week on Hyde Park to kill the West and murder the infidal where was your community to go and challenge him? If a white Christian was saying that on Hyde Park he wouldnt have lasted 5 minutes before being shouted down let alone having the corner to himself for ten years.

 

Only you lot can stop this and it's the biggest challenge the British Muslim community will ever have. It's a tight knit community, it's not something we can do without you and the same goes for France.

[Grewks]

I have no interest in the Muslim community defending or explaining these things, what we need from the Muslim community is to stop these things, because we can't do it without you.

 

I wish all Muslims lived like you but they clearly don't, we all saw what happened in the trojan horse schools in Birmingham, thousands of Muslims knew about the hate being taught there and it took a couple of years on a random email before inspectors were sent in to find out, we've had radical preachers preaching in Mosques and Madrassas to hundreds with none of us finding out until Panaroma manage to sneak a camera in.

 

When Abu Hamza and Omar Bakri were preaching every week on Hyde Park to kill the West and murder the infidal where was your community to go and challenge him? If a white Christian was saying that on Hyde Park he wouldnt have lasted 5 minutes before being shouted down let alone having the corner to himself for ten years.

 

Only you lot can stop this and it's the biggest challenge the British Muslim community will ever have. It's a tight knit community, it's not something we can do without you and the same goes for France.

 

 

From your comments it appears you have been brainwashed to a far greater extent than most.

[hejammy]

I have no interest in the Muslim community defending or explaining these things, what we need from the Muslim community is to stop these things, because we can't do it without you.

 

I wish all Muslims lived like you but they clearly don't, we all saw what happened in the trojan horse schools in Birmingham, thousands of Muslims knew about the hate being taught there and it took a couple of years on a random email before inspectors were sent in to find out, we've had radical preachers preaching in Mosques and Madrassas to hundreds with none of us finding out until Panaroma manage to sneak a camera in.

 

When Abu Hamza and Omar Bakri were preaching every week on Hyde Park to kill the West and murder the infidal where was your community to go and challenge him? If a white Christian was saying that on Hyde Park he wouldnt have lasted 5 minutes before being shouted down let alone having the corner to himself for ten years.

 

Only you lot can stop this and it's the biggest challenge the British Muslim community will ever have. It's a tight knit community, it's not something we can do without you and the same goes for France.

The events that you have mentioned are few and far between, there are madrasas all across the country teaching the right way of Islam and how to live a good honest life. Not every muslim knows every other muslim, its like saying as the Norwegian killer in the camp was christian all the christians need to stand up and iradicate this hatred. I can put my hand on my heart and explicitly say that i know not of any institution or individuals spreading religious hate, if i did id be the first to report it.

[Harry - LCFC]

That is the worst definition of terrorism i have ever seen.

 

 

 

Even the usual and generic...."It is an action with the intention of creating terror and fear etc etc".....

 

 

 

But, as i said, terrorism is just a myth. The men who killed the twelve in paris today were no more terrorists than bush/blair/cameron/obama/hollande etc.

 

We can give today's incident another name if you like. But the basic components: use of violence, use of fear and the attempt to affect people's actions were all there and that's what matters. Most people would refer to these three together as 'terrorism', if you want to use another label that's fine.