Paris Shooting

[1993fox]

Radical Christians seem to have no trouble shooting dead doctors and blowing up clinics over a different freedom of choice. And executing gays, too.

 

Some people have their religion turn them into sociopaths, no matter what the religion is. Even the Buddhists can get nasty. That's fundamentalist ideology of pretty much any kind for you.

 

Yeah pal cos radical Christians kill as many people as Islamists do on a daily basis yeah

 

P.S. I'm a Sikh so coming from a neutral perspective, your argument is so demented it's not worth seriously contesting

[1993fox]

Nobody likes to admit it.. but Enoch was right.. get used to rivers of blood.

 

Immigration =/= Islamism. Not all immigration is bad. Don't group all immigrants into one bracket because of one religious group filled with maniacs.

[bovril]

Radical Christians seem to have no trouble shooting dead doctors and blowing up clinics over a different freedom of choice. And executing gays, too.

 

Some people have their religion turn them into sociopaths, no matter what the religion is. Even the Buddhists can get nasty. That's fundamentalist ideology of pretty much any kind for you.

 

Well, yeah. But that's not the point.

 

The point is there are great number of people in Europe who believe that reverence to a guy from 6th century Arabia trumps freedom of speech and democracy. Then there is a tiny but very dangerous minority that are willing to slaughter innocents because of that. How many lives have been destroyed today because of these people's belief system? 11 dead and hundreds more who have lost loved ones. So we need to do something about it, fvck knows what we can do, while simultaneously defending freedom of speech and religion.

[yorkie1999]

There's a reason the army and police and separate. One serves and protects the people, the other attacks the enemy of the state. 

 

Mix them, and the enemy of the state tends to become the people.

 

And on another level, by doing this these death-worshipping fascist cvnts want escalation. Do we really want to oblige them?

 

Horrible incident, just shows how much ideological nutjobs like this fear and loathe the idea of dissent and free speech.

I'm not on about mixing them, I'm on about putting the army on our streets to shoot any fvcker that looks likely to go boom boom.

[1993fox]

Well, yeah. But that's not the point.

 

The point is there are great number of people in Europe who believe that reverence to a guy from 6th century Arabia trumps freedom of speech and democracy. Then there is a tiny but very dangerous minority that are willing to slaughter innocents because of that. How many lives have been destroyed today because of these people's belief system? 11 dead and hundreds more who have lost loved ones. So we need to do something about it, fvck knows what we can do, while simultaneously defending freedom of speech and religion.

 

'tiny but very dangerous minority willing to slaughter innocents' but unfortunately the majority of their community will refuse to condemn this, it's a shame the leftist agenda forgets to talk about that issue

[Guest MattP]

Very sad but to be expected in this day and age, something we'll have to get used to dealing with in the West on a regular basis.

I just pray one day the people who encouraged these people en masse to settle in Europe are hanging in the streets.

[bovril]

'tiny but very dangerous minority willing to slaughter innocents' but unfortunately the majority of their community will refuse to condemn this, it's a shame the leftist agenda forgets to talk about that issue

 

Well I'm left wing and I don't see what left / right has to do with this at all. It's a tired cliche.

 

I hope Charlie Hebdo reissue their 'Sharia Hebdo' special at half price and sell it on every street corner in Paris.

[Guest MattP]

Well I'm left wing and I don't see what left / right has to do with this at all. It's a tired cliche.

I hope Charlie Hebdo reissue their 'Sharia Hebdo' special at half price and sell it on every street corner in Paris.

I'd love to see that but it won't happen. Terrorism like this works unfortunately.

Look at the Jerry Springer opera, do you think the Beeb would have shown than if it was the prophet Muhammed instead of Jesus?

Of course they wouldn't, no chance of the BBC being burnt down by angry Christians and they know it.

[leicsmac]

So we continue to do what we've been doing for the last two decades?  Bury our head in the sand and pretend that one day these extremists (now vast in number across Europe and growing) will come around to our way of thinking?  

 

Not a chance, it doesn't take a genius to realise that escalation is coming whether we like it or not.  

 

So it's war either way? That's a depressing thought. 

 

Though not, it would seem, to some.

 

As an aside, radical Islam and the terrorists associated with it killed several times more people in one day over ten years ago than they've managed since. And the organisation responsible for that has been gutted. Surely a continued selective response is what is called for?

 

 

 

Well, yeah. But that's not the point.

 

The point is there are great number of people in Europe who believe that reverence to a guy from 6th century Arabia trumps freedom of speech and democracy. Then there is a tiny but very dangerous minority that are willing to slaughter innocents because of that. How many lives have been destroyed today because of these people's belief system? 11 dead and hundreds more who have lost loved ones. So we need to do something about it, fvck knows what we can do, while simultaneously defending freedom of speech and religion.

 

I agree with you. But I also think that dealing with it en masse isn't the way to go, unless we want what will essentially be a third world war, but only this time against an ideology rather than a nation state, that never ends.

 

We have to be selective.

 

I'm not on about mixing them, I'm on about putting the army on our streets to shoot any fvcker that looks likely to go boom boom.

 

Exactly. The army doing the job of the police. That's a very dangerous line to cross. 

 

Armed police should be enough.

 

 

Yeah pal cos radical Christians kill as many people as Islamists do on a daily basis yeah

 

P.S. I'm a Sikh so coming from a neutral perspective, your argument is so demented it's not worth seriously contesting

 

If you take into account what goes on the name of God in Africa then I bet it's pretty damned close. This is only different because the blood being shed is white.

 

Incidentally, I entirely agree that the moderate Muslim population needs to do far, far more to sort out the nutters in their midst.

 

If you don't want to engage in debate, that's fine with me either way. Enjoy Hong Kong - magnificent place. 

[johnny the fox]

Immigration =/= Islamism. Not all immigration is bad. Don't group all immigrants into one bracket because of one religious group filled with maniacs.

Who said I was ?  But when certain alien cultures are transplanted into a different culture ..and that alien culture does not tolerate the values of the host culture conflict is inevitable .you can substitute culture for religion... that was the main point of the rivers of blood speech..

[bovril]

I'd love to see that but it won't happen. Terrorism like this works unfortunately.

Look at the Jerry Springer opera, do you think the Beeb would have shown than if it was the prophet Muhammed instead of Jesus?

Of course they wouldn't, no chance of the BBC being burnt down by angry Christians and they know it.

 

The French had a revolution to separate religion and state, I'd hope they would be a little more determined not to give in to such lunacy.

[Guest MattP]

Going to be interesting how the media try to spin this one as nothing to do with Islam.

[1993fox]

So it's war either way? That's a depressing thought. 

 

Though not, it would seem, to some.

 

As an aside, radical Islam and the terrorists associated with it killed several times more people in one day over ten years ago than they've managed since. And the organisation responsible for that has been gutted. Surely a continued selective response is what is called for?

 

 

 

 

I agree with you. But I also think that dealing with it en masse isn't the way to go, unless we want what will essentially be a third world war, but only this time against an ideology rather than a nation state, that never ends.

 

We have to be selective.

 

 

Exactly. The army doing the job of the police. That's a very dangerous line to cross. 

 

Armed police should be enough.

 

 

 

If you take into account what goes on the name of God in Africa then I bet it's pretty damned close. This is only different because the blood being shed is white.

 

Incidentally, I entirely agree that the moderate Muslim population needs to do far, far more to sort out the nutters in their midst.

 

If you don't want to engage in debate, that's fine with me either way. Enjoy Hong Kong - magnificent place. 

 

nope

 

but thank you anyway - HK's cool without too many of them around

[whoareyaaa]

These type of things will only become more frequent.

[Guest MattP]

The French had a revolution to separate religion and state, I'd hope they would be a little more determined not to give in to such lunacy.

Easy to say though for us isn't it? Could you release the magazine now if you were the new editor knowing it's probably going to end with you being executed in cold blood by some Islamist nutjob?

[1993fox]

Who said I was ?  But when certain alien cultures are transplanted into a different culture ..and that alien culture does not tolerate the values of the host culture conflict is inevitable .you can substitute culture for religion... that was the main point of the rivers of blood speech..

 

Yeah. Meet the average Sikh, Jew, Hindu family and you're going to have a change of mindset. Myself, I don't know any Sikh or Hindu families that try and threaten the British way of life.

 

As I said, don't group all immigrants into one cluster because of one religious group with a substantial minority of extremists who are more than willing to threaten British/European norms

[yorkie1999]

Threaten to throw all non christians out of the country, all these fanatics will soon get weeded out of their communities by their own religions.

[filbertway]

Threaten to throw all non christians out of the country, all these fanatics will soon get weeded out of their communities by their own religions.

 

What if you don't have a community?!

[yorkie1999]

What if you don't have a community?!

You do mean "They" don't you?

[Guest MattP]

Yeah. Meet the average Sikh, Jew, Hindu family and you're going to have a change of mindset. Myself, I don't know any Sikh or Hindu families that try and threaten the British way of life.

They don't. In fact can anyone actually name a successful country that has had no problems that has engaged in attracting large numbers of Islamic Sunni immigration? Who is the blueprint or example countries like us, France and Germany are trying to be?

Or are we again just burying the head to logic, history and common sense and deciding to blindly hope everything will turn out ok?

[lgfualol]

Going to be interesting how the media try to spin this one as nothing to do with Islam.

 

To be honest I'd rather them not talk about the attackers at all - it could encourage mentally unstable people to try and do the same thing. 

[broughtonblue]

Kenny Everett had the right idea!

[Danno]

Threaten to throw all non christians out of the country, all these fanatics will soon get weeded out of their communities by their own religions.

Yeah, what a great idea.

[filbertway]

You do mean "They" don't you?

 

I was referring to myself haha, I wouldn't consider myself to belong to any religion. Just wondering if I'd be allowed to stay. If not, I'm heading to Croatia.

[johnny the fox]

Yeah. Meet the average Sikh, Jew, Hindu family and you're going to have a change of mindset. Myself, I don't know any Sikh or Hindu families that try and threaten the British way of life.

 

As I said, don't group all immigrants into one cluster because of one religious group with a substantial minority of extremists who are more than willing to threaten British/European norms

Please don't try and patronise me mate.. I know plenty of people from different ethnic make up's ..the majority agree with me. to ignore the bleeding obvious is self delusion and takes us all nowhere.