Guest MattP Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 From your comments it appears you have been brainwashed to a far greater extent than most. You think everything is a conspiracy theory anyway so it's pointless getting into any serious debate over this. You're actually the one who fears the unknown more than me despite you thinking I'm the brainwashed one, because everything to you has to be planned, someone has to be behind it. You don't believe random events can present themselves and when you are already into that thought process there is pretty much no way back. Whether it's JFK being shot by the Russians, Diana being killed in a car crash or Frenchman pretending to commit these crimes, you think everything has to be controlled. I'd be interested to here your asssessment on why Hollande is a 'terrorist' alongside Blair Bush btw? (the latter bit there I agree with you) The events that you have mentioned are few and far between, there are madrasas all across the country teaching the right way of Islam and how to live a good honest life. Not every muslim knows every other muslim, its like saying as the Norwegian killer in the camp was christian all the christians need to stand up and iradicate this hatred. I can put my hand on my heart and explicitly say that i know not of any institution or individuals spreading religious hate, if i did id be the first to report it. They are few and far between but that doesn't mean we don't talk about for fear of upsetting. The Breivik comparison is ridiculous, how many people knew what he was going to do? At the most you would be talking about one or two if any, as I mentioned, we've seen Trojan, many Mosques openly with hate preachers regularly attending (Finsbury Park) with the community doing nothing about it. Why don't they? You can't tell me you'd never heard of Abu Hamza? Why weren't the moderates dragging him off that corner when he spread his hate?
Grewks Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 You think everything is a conspiracy theory anyway so it's pointless getting into any serious debate over this. You're actually the one who fears the unknown more than me despite you thinking I'm the brainwashed one, because everything to you has to be planned, someone has to be behind it. You don't believe random events can present themselves and when you are already into that thought process there is pretty much no way back. Whether it's JFK being shot by the Russians, Diana being killed in a car crash or Frenchman pretending to commit these crimes, you think everything has to be controlled. I'd be interested to here your asssessment on why Hollande is a 'terrorist' alongside Blair Bush btw? (the latter bit there I agree with you) They are few and far between but that doesn't mean we don't talk about for fear of upsetting. The Breivik comparison is ridiculous, how many people knew what he was going to do? At the most you would be talking about one or two if any, as I mentioned, we've seen Trojan, many Mosques openly with hate preachers regularly attending (Finsbury Park) with the community doing nothing about it. Why don't they? You can't tell me you'd never heard of Abu Hamza? Why weren't the moderates dragging him off that corner when he spread his hate? Where on earth did you get any of that S***e from?? I've never commented on conspiracy theories on here, and certainly haven't met you in real life. How can you agree that Blair and Bush are Terrorists...yet disagree with regards to Hollande?
Guest MattP Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 Where on earth did you get any of that S***e from?? I've never commented on conspiracy theories on here, and certainly haven't met you in real life. How can you agree that Blair and Bush are Terrorists...yet disagree with regards to Hollande? Sorry I might have mixed you up with someone else. Simple really, Blair and Bush lied to take their countries to an illegal war, far as I am aware Hollande has never done that.
Carl the Llama Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 Has anyone actually seen the cartoon? It's the head of IS giving the end of a New Year speech by wishing everyone "good health above all". So obviously some nutjob has to go and prove their sense of irony correct. Fvcking humans.
Parafox Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 By simply belonging to another religion you are essentially 'taking the piss out of islam'. You have to ask yourself what has changed? Why now? The answer is simple. Dictatorships within the Middle-East were the only preventions in place to prevent, what is now an established, Islamic State. Whilst the Mubarak/Hussain/Gaddafi etc dictatorships existed, the east had no common goal. Now it does. A war is coming, a war where we no longer know who our enemies are, a war we simply cannot win. That is the worst definition of terrorism i have ever seen. Even the usual and generic...."It is an action with the intention of creating terror and fear etc etc"..... But, as i said, terrorism is just a myth. The men who killed the twelve in paris today were no more terrorists than bush/blair/cameron/obama/hollande etc. But my friend, the war has already begun. From your comments it appears you have been brainwashed to a far greater extent than most. Are you an apologist for Islam extremists, ISIS and Jihadi terrorism? Your remarks need explanation, "my friend".
hejammy Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 You think everything is a conspiracy theory anyway so it's pointless getting into any serious debate over this. You're actually the one who fears the unknown more than me despite you thinking I'm the brainwashed one, because everything to you has to be planned, someone has to be behind it. You don't believe random events can present themselves and when you are already into that thought process there is pretty much no way back. Whether it's JFK being shot by the Russians, Diana being killed in a car crash or Frenchman pretending to commit these crimes, you think everything has to be controlled. I'd be interested to here your asssessment on why Hollande is a 'terrorist' alongside Blair Bush btw? (the latter bit there I agree with you) They are few and far between but that doesn't mean we don't talk about for fear of upsetting. The Breivik comparison is ridiculous, how many people knew what he was going to do? At the most you would be talking about one or two if any, as I mentioned, we've seen Trojan, many Mosques openly with hate preachers regularly attending (Finsbury Park) with the community doing nothing about it. Why don't they? You can't tell me you'd never heard of Abu Hamza? Why weren't the moderates dragging him off that corner when he spread his hate? I never said that these things should not be talked about to avoid upsetting people, my problem was people stereotyping and assuming every Muslim was either a terrorist or had terrorist views. There are thousands of mosques in this country, most of which are 'normal' and go about their ways in the correct manner. The small minority like Finsbury Park you mentioned probably do hate preach, many Muslims have gone on record to condemn the handful of mosques that do this. As I said before not every Muslim knows every other Muslim, I know Abu hamza about as much as you do probably. The Breivik comparison is not ridiculous, how many normal Muslims know what these terrorists are going to do before they do it? The authorities probably have the knowledge (police, MI5, FBI etc) and it's their job to catch these criminals. How the hell are normal Muslims like me supposed to go about 'outing' these terrorists if we don't know who they are??
Harry - LCFC Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 It's angered me how many times I've seen a tweet going something along the lines of "As tragic as today was, let's remember that CH were antagonistic/racist/Islamophobic/offensive and should not be praised for it." Fvck off. It just seems like an attempt to move the focus away from the real tragedy towards the slightly hurt feelings of others.
Webbo Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 There is no such thing as 'terrorism'. Its just a label the media use to scaremonger the public. Without a doubt, the stupidest comment on here for months.
Harry - LCFC Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 Some real art and value HERE A very sad day Some of those are fantastic. As much as I complain about how some people view the situation I do think we've reacted well on the whole and sent the right message out.
leicsmac Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 Some real art and value HERE A very sad day Poetic. This is precisely why hateful wankers like the ones yesterday will not win. "What the Charlie Hebdo killers want is for me to go out and stone a mosque, boycott Muslim businesses, spit on Muslims and in other ways help drive Muslims into the arms of the radicals. I will not acquiesce."
Dr The Singh Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 Yes being Sikh is very neutral when talking about Muslims.......Moron Go fook yourself, don't tar every SIkh with your bias mind..........moron!!!!
Bellend Sebastian Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 A bit less of grouping anyone different to yourself into a homogeneous mass would do us all the power of good, I reckon
leicsmac Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 A bit less of grouping anyone different to yourself into a homogeneous mass would do us all the power of good, I reckon Right. It seems that to some individuals (though not all) across all different backgrounds, generalisations are fine as long as it isn't about them.
MooseBreath Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 "But not all Muslims are terrorists therefore quick forget all about it and let's move on" doesn't seem to be working that well tbf. Personally I've never seen or heard anyone claim that all Muslims are terrorists or anything like that, ever, so to me it looks like you're inventing a problem to talk about because it's easier than talking about the real issue.
Guest MattP Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 "But not all Muslims are terrorists therefore quick forget all about it and let's move on" doesn't seem to be working that well tbf. Personally I've never seen or heard anyone claim that all Muslims are terrorists or anything like that, ever, so to me it looks like you're inventing a problem to talk about because it's easier than talking about the real issue. Spot on. All the Western World seems to do these days is reach for the carpet and bucket of sand. If this is going to be stopped we need to talk about it properly, no one on here has ever claimed all Muslims are terrorists, I don't know why people keep saying they do.
leicsmac Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 Spot on. All the Western World seems to do these days is reach for the carpet and bucket of sand. If this is going to be stopped we need to talk about it properly, no one on here has ever claimed all Muslims are terrorists, I don't know why people keep saying they do. Really? You've not seen any generalisations regarding Muslims following incidents like this? None whatsoever? Seriously? Agree it does need to be talked about properly though...and it is, in the form of showing it contempt and continuing to laugh in its face. Words have power. That's the reason these nutjobs did what they did in the first place.
Guest MattP Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 I never said that these things should not be talked about to avoid upsetting people, my problem was people stereotyping and assuming every Muslim was either a terrorist or had terrorist views. There are thousands of mosques in this country, most of which are 'normal' and go about their ways in the correct manner. The small minority like Finsbury Park you mentioned probably do hate preach, many Muslims have gone on record to condemn the handful of mosques that do this. As I said before not every Muslim knows every other Muslim, I know Abu hamza about as much as you do probably. The Breivik comparison is not ridiculous, how many normal Muslims know what these terrorists are going to do before they do it? The authorities probably have the knowledge (police, MI5, FBI etc) and it's their job to catch these criminals. How the hell are normal Muslims like me supposed to go about 'outing' these terrorists if we don't know who they are?? Yet again, where has anyone on this thread said anything like every Muslim is a terrorist? Stop making things up. Yet again, if you know about hate preachers why aren't don't the community do more to flush these people out the mosques? Yet again, I'm not saying all Muslims know when a terrorist attack is on the way, but whenever one happens it comes out he's been radicalised by some nut job no one did anything about. You've actually got some gall, coming on telling a Sikh straight away he can't have an opinion on Muslims (slightly racist no?) but then telling all all how wonderful you are.
Guest MattP Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 Really? You've not seen any generalisations regarding Muslims following incidents like this? None whatsoever? Seriously? Agree it does need to be talked about properly though...and it is, in the form of showing it contempt and continuing to laugh in its face. Words have power. That's the reason these nutjobs did what they did in the first place. No I've seen any, can you show me some? Continue to laugh in it's face might make us feel a bit better but in reality it does bugger all, you don't seriously think people committing these acts will think it's time to pack up because of that? As Harry said on the last page, the amount of 'Reep what they sew' stuff you can see out there from people shows we really aren't all pulling in the same direction no matter how many vigils they want to show on TV.
Guest MattP Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 Apologies for the spelling/typing. Phone keypad fcuked.
DB11 Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 No I've seen any, can you show me some? Hows about the 'KillAllMuslims' hashtag that was trending on Twitter? http://www.234pulse.com/2015/01/killallmuslims-hashtag-trending-on-twitter-after-coward-islamic-terrorists-kill-12-in-france-see-tweets/
Guest MattP Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 Hows about the 'KillAllMuslims' hashtag that was trending on Twitter? http://www.234pulse.com/2015/01/killallmuslims-hashtag-trending-on-twitter-after-coward-islamic-terrorists-kill-12-in-france-see-tweets/ I think you need to read that whole article....
leicsmac Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 No I've seen any, can you show me some? Continue to laugh in it's face might make us feel a bit better but in reality it does bugger all, you don't seriously think people committing these acts will think it's time to pack up because of that? As Harry said on the last page, the amount of 'Reep what they sew' stuff you can see out there from people shows we really aren't all pulling in the same direction no matter how many vigils they want to show on TV. Come on Matt, you're not blind. Pick any news comment thread/Twitter hashtag connected with this. Ah, DB11 had kindly obliged (and regardless of the veracity of that article that tag is trending pretty strongly). If you want me to quotemine I will of course do so because you're a good guy but I think the point really doesn't require it. I think that keeping calm and carrying on is exactly what we should be doing - it unites the populace and renders these dickless pricks impotent and humiliates them, which is the opposite of what they want - division, fear and distrust. But, for the sake of argument, what would be an alternative that you'd suggest we do instead?
DB11 Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 I think you need to read that whole article.... I haven't read the article, that was just the first link that screenshotted the trends. The hashtag that was trending was my point, not what the article says.
Guest MattP Posted 8 January 2015 Posted 8 January 2015 I haven't read the article, that was just the first link that screenshotted the trends. The hashtag that was trending was my point, not what the article says. It looks like a few Americans starting using it then people started using it ironically, hence the trend.
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