yorkie1999 Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 Yeah, what a great idea. I thought so as well, used to work at school when someone nicked the chalk.
Guest MattP Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 Ugh. Just watched the execution of the copper. Barbarism. Savages. How anyone can think they are going to paradise for carrying out such acts?
leicsmac Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 Ugh. Just watched the execution of the copper. Barbarism. Savages. How anyone can think they are going to paradise for carrying out such acts? Because some twatbeard pours poison into their ears and makes them think treating other people as things is a just and celebrated thing to do. Cvnts. Though I imagine the question was rhetorical.
BlueSi13 Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 Just seen it too. Appalling. Marine Le Pen a shoe-in for 2017 now?
1993fox Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 Just seen it too. Appalling. Marine Le Pen a shoe-in for 2017 now? Just when the liberal media was condemning the protests in Germany and Houellebecq's Soumission. Perfect timing for her to strike.
David Guiza Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 https://twitter.com/bouckap/status/552824462958395392 Charlie Hebdo not backing down
Captain... Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 These type of things will only become more frequent. Why? Terrorists attacks are down by a lot since 9/11 and 7/7 and those that have got through have been targeted and fewer casualties. This is obviously a horrendous attack, but I would say we are winning the war on terror in Europe with all organised attacks being thwarted it is these brutal and unsophisticated attacks that are getting through. Let's not get the usual rhetoric spouted clouding the issue all religions have blood on their hands in the name of a fanatic minority and the majority are normal peaceful beings. The response should be to not give in, if anything more publications should reprint those cartoons as a tribute to those that died and a fvck you to those that killed them. The other response would be to make a concerted effort to destroy ISIS it appears to have stalled but that would be where I would retaliate and not turn the streets of Paris into a warzone.
lgfualol Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 Apparently the tweet regarding ISIS was a cartoon of the leader wishing everyone good health for the new year. These scumbags just wanted to murder people. Edit. Just read that this magazine had posted a lot of things over the last few months or so, they didn't do it because of this tweet*
Bellend Sebastian Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 https://twitter.com/bouckap/status/552824462958395392 Charlie Hebdo not backing down I'm torn between admiration for their defiance and wondering whether it's all worth it
1993fox Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 Why? Terrorists attacks are down by a lot since 9/11 and 7/7 and those that have got through have been targeted and fewer casualties. This is obviously a horrendous attack, but I would say we are winning the war on terror in Europe with all organised attacks being thwarted it is these brutal and unsophisticated attacks that are getting through. Let's not get the usual rhetoric spouted clouding the issue all religions have blood on their hands in the name of a fanatic minority and the majority are normal peaceful beings. The response should be to not give in, if anything more publications should reprint those cartoons as a tribute to those that died and a fvck you to those that killed them. The other response would be to make a concerted effort to destroy ISIS it appears to have stalled but that would be where I would retaliate and not turn the streets of Paris into a warzone. good ol liberal drivel Islam causes far, far, far more deaths than any other religion today in the name of extremism
Captain... Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 Apparently the tweet regarding ISIS was a cartoon of the leader wishing everyone good health for the new year. These scumbags just wanted to murder people. I don't think it was just because of that, they have previously printed the cartoons of Mohammed and have a history of printing cartoons that mock Islam and other religions. Considering the timing of the tweet I doubt the attackers had even seen it more likely a pre-planned attack and just a coincidence that it was the same day.
lgfualol Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 I don't think it was just because of that, they have previously printed the cartoons of Mohammed and have a history of printing cartoons that mock Islam and other religions. Considering the timing of the tweet I doubt the attackers had even seen it more likely a pre-planned attack and just a coincidence that it was the same day. True. I actually read an article after posting my comment that gave me more information about it all. Makes more sense. Makes you wonder who is helping these kinds of people. They seem trained and had equipment you shouldn't just be able to buy from a shop.
Guest MattP Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 https://twitter.com/bouckap/status/552824462958395392 Charlie Hebdo not backing down That's a bloke not connected to them and an old cover isn't it? Why? Terrorists attacks are down by a lot since 9/11 and 7/7 and those that have got through have been targeted and fewer casualties. Let's not get the usual rhetoric spouted clouding the issue all religions have blood on their hands in the name of a fanatic minority and the majority are normal peaceful beings. Where are you basing that top opinion on? If it's Europe you could probably argue in terms of number it's down but it would be more to do with the ceasefires with the IRA and ETA than anything we have done, our intelligence services do a great job but over Europe thse attacks are far more common now than they were, Most religions have blood on thier hands, though harking back to the 1800's isn't really going to help solve today's problems, Islam is causing more misery to the World than all the other religions put together, there isn't a country on a planet with a significent Muslim population that doesn't have serious issues regarding some sort of terrorist group. And god knows how much it costs to police all this anti-terrorism laws as well, wonder if that's included in the economic figures when adjudicating on immigration to Britain?
Captain... Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 good ol liberal drivel Islam causes far, far, far more deaths than any other religion today in the name of extremism Boring old right wing rhetoric. I am not excusing or justifying anything and it in no way makes this attack any less horrific, but every time people start going on about it is only Muslims that are terrorists and Enoch Powell was right, they are wrong and they detract from the point and the seriousness of what happened.
Guest MattP Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 Boring old right wing rhetoric. I am not excusing or justifying anything and it in no way makes this attack any less horrific, but every time people start going on about it is only Muslims that are terrorists and Enoch Powell was right, they are wrong and they detract from the point and the seriousness of what happened. Your head is almost as much in the sand here as it was when we were all discussing the Muslim grooming gangs. It's not happening, it's a minor event, it's the DAILY MAIL! It's not Muslims!
David Guiza Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 I'm torn between admiration for their defiance and wondering whether it's all worth it I have to agree, if true. It would be wrong to back down and accept what has happened today as part and parcel of that line of work, but to possibly put more innocent lives in danger for the sake of satire (although on a larger scale, free speech), is perhaps equally as wrong. Either way the terrorists have the upper hand to an extent, and action HAS to be taken either way. That's a bloke not connected to them and an old cover isn't it? Think the account is a Human Rights/HR Law based one, but not sure on the date. Might well be an old one.
Jon the Hat Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 What the **** are you lot talking about? Every newspaper in Europe should publish on its front page tomorrow as many Charlie Hebdo front pages as they can fit under then headline "WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED". ****em.
Captain... Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 Where are you basing that top opinion on? If it's Europe you could probably argue in terms of number it's down but it would be more to do with the ceasefires with the IRA and ETA than anything we have done, our intelligence services do a great job but over Europe thse attacks are far more common now than they were, Most religions have blood on thier hands, though harking back to the 1800's isn't really going to help solve today's problems, Islam is causing more misery to the World than all the other religions put together, there isn't a country on a planet with a significent Muslim population that doesn't have serious issues regarding some sort of terrorist group. And god knows how much it costs to police all this anti-terrorism laws as well, wonder if that's included in the economic figures when adjudicating on immigration to Britain? On the first point I should clarify as successful attacks, I think our intelligence agencies are winning the war on terror and nothing on the scale of 9/11 7/7 or the Madrid Bombings has been pulled off for years the closest being Brevik who probably killed more people than all other terrorist attacks in Europe combined since 7/7. You don't have to look too far back to find religious violence. Joseph Kony and the Lord's Resistance Army are one of many Christian Terrorist groups in Africa, the number of deaths over the creation of the Jewish State of Israel, old Popey refusing to endorse condoms has a hell of a lot of AIDS blood on his hands. The rhetoric that gets spouted every time something like this happens is unnecessary and detracts from the point. I stand by my original statement all religions have blood on their hands based on atrocities committed in their name by a minority while the majority are peaceful followers.
Guest MattP Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 What the **** are you lot talking about? Every newspaper in Europe should publish on its front page tomorrow as many Charlie Hebdo front pages as they can fit under then headline "WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED". ****em. What and put so many innocent people at risk? It we were that desperate to protect free speech we shouldn't have invited so many people from places across the World who don't tolerate free speech when it comes to thier own religion. NOP conducted a large poll of British Muslims after the Danish Cartoons incidents a few years ago.... Asked about attitudes towards free speech, there was little support for freedom of speech if it would offend religious sensibilities. 78% of Muslims thought that the publishers of the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammed should be prosecuted, 68% thought those who insulted Islam should be prosecuted and 62% of people disagree that freedom of speech should be allowed even if it insults and offends religious groups. http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/291
Captain... Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 Your head is almost as much in the sand here as it was when we were all discussing the Muslim grooming gangs. It's not happening, it's a minor event, it's the DAILY MAIL! It's not Muslims! I have not said any of that Matt if you can quote any post where I've said it's a minor event, it's not happening then I will go back and change it. All I'm saying is the rhetoric the surrounds these events is self defeating and if anything serving the terrorists aims. We are not under constant attack and acting like we are is just playing in to the hands of the terrorists.
Captain... Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 What the **** are you lot talking about? Every newspaper in Europe should publish on its front page tomorrow as many Charlie Hebdo front pages as they can fit under then headline "WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED". ****em. I agree with this, but then it is not me that would be in the firing line if it happened. Would you be willing to tweet an anti Islamic cartoon on a public account that is in your name and is linked to your home address?
Guest MattP Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 Sorry just reading that article Only 29% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust occured.
Guest MattP Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 On the first point I should clarify as successful attacks, I think our intelligence agencies are winning the war on terror and nothing on the scale of 9/11 7/7 or the Madrid Bombings has been pulled off for years the closest being Brevik who probably killed more people than all other terrorist attacks in Europe combined since 7/7. You don't have to look too far back to find religious violence. Joseph Kony and the Lord's Resistance Army are one of many Christian Terrorist groups in Africa, the number of deaths over the creation of the Jewish State of Israel, old Popey refusing to endorse condoms has a hell of a lot of AIDS blood on his hands. The rhetoric that gets spouted every time something like this happens is unnecessary and detracts from the point. I stand by my original statement all religions have blood on their hands based on atrocities committed in their name by a minority while the majority are peaceful followers. You can't seriously be comparing terrorism to the Pope asking people not to use condoms? That's so ridiculous. He's a religious leader offering advice to people, I don't agree with him but he's not telling them to go out and infect people with HIV. Again, personal responsibility anyone? The creation of Israel is a different matter but if that conflict a defence of non-Islamic terrorism then we got some problems.
ADK Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 At least convicted rapist Ched Evans might not be on the front pages for a few days.
Captain... Posted 7 January 2015 Posted 7 January 2015 You can't seriously be comparing terrorism to the Pope asking people not to use condoms? That's so ridiculous. He's a religious leader offering advice to people, I don't agree with him but he's not telling them to go out and infect people with HIV. Again, personal responsibility anyone? The creation of Israel is a different matter but if that conflict a defence of non-Islamic terrorism then we got some problems. I'm not, I'm saying all religion has blood on it's hands you can see that by the way I keep on saying all religion has blood on it's hands. The refusal of the Pope to endorse condoms and contraceptives in Africa as they are not Christian has lead to thousands of preventable death in AIDS hit Christian countries in Africa. But that is not the point, the point is that 12 people needlessly lost their lives today but the more rhetoric spouted and fear spread the more their deaths serve the aims of the terrorists.
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