Lambert09 Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 So this is the perfect time to get peoples opinions, what is more important success or loyalty? In an ideal world we would be both successful and loyal to a man who got us here. But it doesnt always work like that. As a Leicester fan I get very frustrated, we will be outraged at players not being loyal and moving to bigger and better things (more success) but as soon as players start to perform badly we will turn on them. Prime examples: Kasper, Drinkwater and Morgan 3 of our best, if not the best players last season. Yet some fans are calling for their heads after a few substandard performances. I agree that they havent all excelled, but surely we should still get behind them? Have they not earnt that? Now on to a more pressing issue, Mr Pearson. I have said in many places that for me he has a free pass this season, he got us this far, he should be allowed to take this team for the whole journey... however that may end. Am I too sentimental? Is there room for sentimentality in football? Its laughable how the same people panicking about Pearson not signing a contract in the summer are now are raging that he hasnt been fired. So a quick poll, should we be loyal to players, a manager... whoever? Or if we are not instantly successful cut all ties? For the record I dont think there is a better man for the job at the moment and genuinely still think we will survive!
Monsell1976 Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 These people are paid a lot of money to be successful, and that's where the loyalty ends. Like normal jobs, if you don't perform to the required standard for a year, and your poor performance cost the company money, what do they say, it doesn't matter that you are not good enough, we like you. Truth is you would be sacked and replaced by somebody who can do your job.
shade Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 life is full of ups and downs, it's not a non stop upward trajectory, it can't be. personally i'd give him until christmas regardless of the division we're in to see whether he has us on the up again. history is pearson's friend in this regard.
Guest MattP Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 No. But you'd be surprised how much the two often go hand in hand.
shailen Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 No. In football, you are loyal to the people that have brought you success. I'm pro-Pearson but if we continue to lose games this season and next I would want him out despite his excellent past record.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Of course not, but there is a very reasonable argument that the two usually come hand in hand.
Livid Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 These people are paid a lot of money to be successful, and that's where the loyalty ends. Like normal jobs, if you don't perform to the required standard for a year, and your poor performance cost the company money, what do they say, it doesn't matter that you are not good enough, we like you. Truth is you would be sacked and replaced by somebody who can do your job. Pretty much this.
cc_star Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 I don't think it's more important than success, but success is relative... and at what point do you judge it, halfway through a task or at the end of a task? Without loyalty and investment in a person over a sustained period of time, can they ever bring you success?
Guest bss9401 Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 There is plenty of loyalty in football but it only runs as far as the next pay cheque. Forget the principle. The owners, the manager and players are not loyal to the history, heritage and meaning of our club unless there is a bond; ie if someone originates from the area or supported them already.
Nod.E Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 I think this misses the point somewhat.You imply the two are mutually exclusive, when in fact I would suggest there is evidence to prove the contrary. The trick is to judge the point at which the value of loyalty is outweighed by the relative shortcomings. In my opinion, we've reached that point with Wes Morgan. The stability his consistent presence has brought to the back four in previous seasons has been valuable, and that has been true at times this season to an extent, but now it has reached the point at which a replacement (possibly Huth) would provide more value than the stability our loyalty towards him has provided in the form of stability.For me, there is still value in loyalty towards Pearson. The stability at the club his presence provides is more valuable than the impact a replacement could have, in my opinion. If we were to get relegated and were sitting outside the playoffs by Christmas next season, for me he'll have swung the pendulum beyond loyalty and the most value in that given situation will be in recruiting a replacement. It's a game of balancing the scales and when the 'replacement' scale falls lower than the 'loyalty' scale it becomes a game of sharpness. The quicker action is taken, the more time there is to benefit from the value the replacement brings.
Al-aLondon-Foxile Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 For me you're asking two questions, or at least it has two answers. I wouldn't necessarily be loyal to the players as form is temporary, and it's a squad game. The manager is a different subject tho. I agree with the OP that he deserves a fair crack of the whip, and for me should be given the season regardless. I certainly don't think it's the right time to sack him now, after the window has closed and with so little time for a new manager to affect changes. Although, there would be an argument to say that if it were clear we were heading down (as i think it is) then a new guy could come in with several games in which to prepare for the new season, for me we have the right man for that challenge right here (championship), and if he keeps us up in the end he will still be the right man to go forward with. I think long term NP is the right man, and i hope they stick with him. He will learn tactically, and improve. He won't necessarily endear himself to the press and public but i don't give a dam about that, he is a mans man, and the dressing room is his domain, this is where he gets the work done and the players love him because he sticks by them. Given time i genuinely believe he could build long lasting success here, the big question is whether he will be given that luxury. Sounds like Top might think differently to daddy on that one.
Donut Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Not sure why people expect loyalty from players and managers anyway though. Only a select minority are there for the love of the club, the rest are looking out for a good deal. Thats fair enough i think considering when the club wants to, theyll get rid of you anyway. No different to a "normal" job. If someone gives me a better job offer, ill go there. I couldnt care less who i was leaving behind, or who I was working for at the time. And why should I? Its about being professional though. It doesnt mean i burn bridges or do a poor job. And you expect the same of players and managers, to be professional to the best of their ability while respresenting Leicester City.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 There is no room for sentiment and blind loyalty in any business., but that is not to say they cannot go hand in hand, if it brings success.
Mark_w Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Success is more important than loyalty, but the two are not opposite ends of the spectrum. Showing loyalty to people who have a record of being successful over a prolonged period of time is the way to go.
Guest Col city fan Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 There is no room for sentiment and blind loyalty in any business., but that is not to say they cannot go hand in hand, if it brings success. Good answer...
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