cjslcfc Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 Try this - same logic different argument. You work in a shitty factory job for minimum wage. You are suggesting that the following two men have the same attitude towards their job. 1) Single male with no responsibilities beyond the self. 2) A married male supporting a wife and 6 kids. Obviously, the more financial security a person has the more potential there is of them being complacent toward their work (unless of course they are truly doing the job that they love just for its intrinsic value). Money, like sex, is a prime motivator in human behaviour. Why else do you think that players are constantly chasing new improved deals? Why else would there be such a thing as a win bonus? Money matters and as I see it our manager and our players are not earning theirs. The bigger question for me is how players who are on 300,000GBP per WEEK cannot feel guilty and ashamed given that so many people, including fans, struggle just to put food on the table. Modern football is a sad reflection of celebrity culture and how school dropouts are able to become idols simply because they can kick a ball about. I'm more on about those saying "they're paid X amount of money so it shouldn't affect them". What has money got to do with how things affect them? You make a good case but let's not try and simplify things down "simply because they can kick a ball about". That completely disregards the high level of skill and athleticism/fitness that lots of footballers do have.
Guest MattP Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 Why keep him for one year to get us promoted and get back to a position where we are this season? Clearly he isn't capable of managing in the Premier League. Rebuild for the next 2 years and beyond, not just for next year. So surely the smart thing is to get rid if we come back up?
hejammy Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 Can somebody please explain to me the correlation between how much you are paid and how much something affects you? It's hard to hold back human nature, especially on a football pitch where emotion is at its highest, no matter how much you are paid. Do you think every footballer goes out thinking "Oh I'm paid £20k a week so it definitely doesn't piss me off when 30,000 people get on my back for misplacing a pass". They should accept it when a fan gets on your back as they are clearly not playing to the best of their ability, even if you earn minimum wage and your boss gets on your back what will you do? Perform worse? Or try and get back to your best?
cjslcfc Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 They should accept it when a fan gets on your back as they are clearly not playing to the best of their ability, even if you earn minimum wage and your boss gets on your back what will you do? Perform worse? Or try and get back to your best? Yes but you've got to realise there's a difference between one man and 30,000 people. You can't expect them to just ignore 30,000 people booing or shouting because they've made an honest mistake.
JAPANFOX1 Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 I'm more on about those saying "they're paid X amount of money so it shouldn't affect them". What has money got to do with how things affect them? You make a good case but let's not try and simplify things down "simply because they can kick a ball about". That completely disregards the high level of skill and athleticism/fitness that lots of footballers do have. OK. I get shit at work from my boss - Do I feel better about myself, and give a shit, going home to my $6 million house or to my council flat? If society were anything other than messed up we would give 300,000 GBP a week to those people who are fundamental to society (teachers, nurses, garbage collectors etc), not people who are sporty for 10 years or so. Our players earn a lot and as such should have a higher tolerance level for abuse related to their work performance.
hejammy Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 So surely the smart thing is to get rid if we come back up? Yes but in the knowledge that he will get most likely get sacked IF he gets promoted do you think he's gonna push for Leicester to get promoted?
hejammy Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 Yes but you've got to realise there's a difference between one man and 30,000 people. You can't expect them to just ignore 30,000 people booing or shouting because they've made an honest mistake. 1 or 2 honest mistakes people can forgive, consistent under performance people cannot. Unfortunately/fortunately this is the job they have chosen, and get paid very handsomely to do so.
cjslcfc Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 OK. I get shit at work from my boss - Do I feel better about myself, and give a shit, going home to my $6 million house or to my council flat? If society were anything other than messed up we would give 300,000 GBP a week to those people who are fundamental to society (teachers, nurses, garbage collectors etc), not people who are sporty for 10 years or so. Our players earn a lot and as such should have a higher tolerance level for abuse related to their work performance. There's another argument/discussion to be had about people who are fundamental to society getting paid hundreds of thousands and it goes into the depths of economics/capitalism. However, I'm not going to bother with that in a football thread I do agree they should have a higher tolerance but it's nearly impossible to not let the shouts of 30,000 people effect you, no matter how tolerant you usually are.
Guest MattP Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 Yes but in the knowledge that he will get most likely get sacked IF he gets promoted do you think he's gonna push for Leicester to get promoted? Yes given they'll be a huge bonus for doing so and his reputation needs restoring. Anyone who wants to make a career out of football management isn't deliberately going to try and fail.
JAPANFOX1 Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 1 or 2 honest mistakes people can forgive, consistent under performance people cannot. Unfortunately/fortunately this is the job they have chosen, and get paid very handsomely to do so. Honesty has nothing to do with anything. Emotional intent behind an error does not save, lets say, those airplane engineers who "honestly" forgot to refuel the plane from criminal prosecution. Giving these clowns an emotional exit does not work.
cjslcfc Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 1 or 2 honest mistakes people can forgive, consistent under performance people cannot. Unfortunately/fortunately this is the job they have chosen, and get paid very handsomely to do so. That's a fair point. However, I always feel there's almost too much made about how much footballers are paid.
JAPANFOX1 Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 There's another argument/discussion to be had about people who are fundamental to society getting paid hundreds of thousands and it goes into the depths of economics/capitalism. However, I'm not going to bother with that in a football thread I do agree they should have a higher tolerance but it's nearly impossible to not let the shouts of 30,000 people effect you, no matter how tolerant you usually are. Fair enough - considering most players have the intellect of a 16 year old I guess you might be correct
hejammy Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 Yes given they'll be a huge bonus for doing so and his reputation needs restoring. Anyone who wants to make a career out of football management isn't deliberately going to try and fail. Obviously the other danger is that he does get us promoted and the owners think "Oh let's give him another chance"
smudger63 Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 Is anyone really surprised that our players are struggling to flourish when the atmosphere is so poisonous atmosphere at home? From the 5th minute every misplaced pass, poor touch or backwards pass was groaned upon. No wonder the players aren't willing to take risks and express themselves when the crowd get on their backs for the entirety of the game. Of course I'm not saying that's the reason for our impending relegation, because we just haven't been good enough in both penalty boxes but as fans we need to stick with the team for these last 10 games and see where that takes us. Whatever hour view on the manager just get behind the players and give them a chance. If we end up going down most of you will probably get your wish and Pearson gone so just get behind the team. No you are completely wrong. While there are fans that have never taken to Pearson, 100 per cent of fans would rather Pearson was safe in his job, because it would mean were going to stay up..
hejammy Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 That's a fair point. However, I always feel there's almost too much made about how much footballers are paid. That's fair enough, however people also spend their hard earned money to go and see their team, a team that earns a lot more than the fans, therfore there is an element of justification when their wages come under scrutiny
Bluetintedspecs Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 I said weeks ago and it's even more apparent now.... I believe City fans, and many on here have been INCREDIBLY patient this season. Our stats for the season are truly embarassing. Goals scored, goals conceded, chances made, shots on target etc..are amongst the worst in all four divisions. If Nigel Pearson had been appointed manager at the start of THIS season, he'd have been sacked months ago. He's living off the back of the promotion season, with the 'loyal' fans holding onto the hope that he could replicate some sort of form and ability that was clearly showed last year. But this season is a different one. The opposition is different. The class is different. It has demanded a different sort of managerial approach..an ability to adapt and quickly. Our fans yesterday were expectant. Not everyone thought we'd win, but at least wanted a performance which was attacking, fluent and where chances were created. Instead, we got flat, boring and frankly clueless. Unacceptable.... The fans this season haven't been the issue. The manager and the players have. Totally agree Col, as old er timers you and I, like many, have witnessed the ups and downs over the years. These ups and downs have included incredible highs and lows! My lad summed up our season yesterday by saying " It's not been an embarrassment, nobody has pasted us and we have had some bad luck, it has been more of a flat whimper" I personally agree that our fans haven't been vitriolic (ala Sunderland fans yesterday). I have always been on the positive glass half full side, however a team that seemed devoid of creativity/passion at this do or die end of the season is not acceptable. If NP cannot motivate them now then sadly his tenure should be reviewed at the end of the season. I am not in the anti or NP out brigade, nor do I advocate managerial merry-go-rounds. The management and players need to have a long hard look at themselves and show our wonderful fans some fight, determination and belief over the remaining fixtures even if it's in vain! COYB
the messenger Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 Mahrez is not as good as everyone makes out. Terrific potential but for me he's far from the finished article. Most games he can pass a killer ball probably once or twice of which we cannot capitalise on but there are to many misplaced passes to the opposition and definitely not up for the battle.
Matt Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 Pushing for a goal in the last five minutes and there was quite a few proudly singing 'you're getting sacked in the morning' in 'the kop'. Not sure that was ideal. Were we? I missed that. I thought they seemed quite happy seeing the game out for a draw, Schlupp deciding to take his time over a free kick, Schwarzer leasurely passing it out from the back (Don't get me wrong hoofing it doesn't necessarily get you very far but leasurely passing it out from the back is going to the other extreme)...
Corky Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 As far as I recollect, you suggested Pearson should stay, essentially forever? If you were bored in the second half yesterday, you must have been REALLY bored in the first half? I found myself going on my mobile phone, looking at Bet 365, on more than one occassion. Just because you like or rate a manager doesn't mean that you think every game or result is wonderful. Pearson has presided over a fair amount of dross matches in his time. The next bloke will as well, and the one after that and so on.
Monsell1976 Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 L Block were shit yesterday the kop SK1 corner were good could hear them on he other side of the groundFair play to sk1, but I was so bored watching pearson bizarre set up and tactics, what a shit game, sorry I saw nothing worth motivating me to sing to much.Us in l1 went through the motions, and sang a bit, but that performance didn't deserve and support.
l444ry Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 Fair play to sk1, but I was so bored watching pearson bizarre set up and tactics, what a shit game, sorry I saw nothing worth motivating me to sing to much. Us in l1 went through the motions, and sang a bit, but that performance didn't deserve and support. Agree with this. I think people around me were up for supporting the boys but they showed no intent from the outset to get us on their side. No closing down, no hard tackle, no urgency. As far as I am concerned this performance indicates that he's lost the dressing room, The players just don't buy into Pearson any longer.
john ridley Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 Think the atmosphere will go from accepting the inevitable like yesterday to angry and abusive once we're mathematically down ,and pearson's bought it on himself , not that he'll give a toss either way .Think he's got off light to be fair , lucky we haven't had a few good hidings.
chris_lcfc_85 Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 This is always a difficult one as booing etc never helps but I do think we're paying enough to see better..... We're entitled to vent frustration as we seem to be going down with a wimper
foxfanazer Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 On the argument that the players get paid loads of money so they shouldn't be affected by a negative atmosphere, maybe they shouldn't but many players have come out and said that it does have a negative impact on them. Just don't see the point in further hindering your own team. Everyone has their right to boo of course but just don't get it myself
Matt Posted 15 March 2015 Posted 15 March 2015 On the argument that the players get paid loads of money so they shouldn't be affected by a negative atmosphere, maybe they shouldn't but many players have come out and said that it does have a negative impact on them. Just don't see the point in further hindering your own team. Everyone has their right to boo of course but just don't get it myself I've said it time and time again though, me speaking from a personal point of view if someone slags me off, questions or challenges something I do, I try harder, I make it my mission to prove them wrong - sometimes it doesn't work out, but I try my bloody best to do so. Now being competitive sportsmen I expect them to have the same mentality, now I guess if you're not good enough, if you don't have the quality there are times where you simply can't prove people wrong, you have to admit defeat and unfortunately fail and I guess that is where we are. Like I said I cannot question the players commitment, they have always tried this season but the fact is they're not good enough, zero-quality in this league. I just hope they bear that in mind if Premiership teams come in for them next season because they don't deserve the grace this league again, I want us to get promoted with these players (Who we all know what they're capable of in the Championship, they've done it before, doesn't necesserily mean they'll do it again but there will be no excuses for them) then if/when we get promoted I want an overhaul and those players out because as I keep saying they are no-where near Premiership level.
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