doverfox Posted 28 March 2017 Share Posted 28 March 2017 i think that is time that King Power looked at our club the same way as their business. By assembling a strong management team that has progression built in we have had an excellent scouting system that should be allowed to deal exclusively with player recruitment with out the interference of the 1st team manager. History tells us that new manager = new players and back room staff. This didn't happen for the first year of Claudio. Who knows why top members of the scouting team left at the start of the season but we do know our best player last season KANTE wasn't initially wanted by the manager. The recruitment team wouldn't just be about results this week but about building a squad for the long term. And regardless of the manager making sure that we had credible replacements for all positions in the future. We had some of the best sport science guys at the club some believe in it some do not but they but our injury record last season speaks for its self. The same with sports psychologists etc perhaps they work perhaps they don't but the amount they cost is chicken feed and if they are some for a highly strung athlete to kick off at and say his piece just to get it out of their system then it can do no harm. Coaches and managers an end to this what big names are available but bring people through the most successful era Liverpool had was the boot room didn't look for the next big name just the next guy in line to keep the club moving forward with out scrapping everything that had gone before. In business different departments are responsible for delivering their small part to the success of the business why not separate the rolls in the club leaving experts in each area to concentrate on that area. I hope Craig get the job and brings in some coaches to back him up with a view to one day them becoming managers. The manager should suggest the type of players needed the scouting team should go out and search for the best available that fits the clubs recruitment policy ( the best center back may be player x aged 32 but we don't recruit players that age we recruit players with a sell on value so they find the best 25 year center back available) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4DD0gg Posted 28 March 2017 Share Posted 28 March 2017 Yup the marketing side of the club is beyond appalling and always has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 28 March 2017 Share Posted 28 March 2017 7 minutes ago, m4DD0gg said: Yup the marketing side of the club is beyond appalling and always has been. Just wait until you see what they've got up their sleeves for next season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 28 March 2017 Share Posted 28 March 2017 Just now, Sol thewall Bamba said: Just wait until you see what they've got up their sleeves for next season! Good or bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4DD0gg Posted 28 March 2017 Share Posted 28 March 2017 1 minute ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: Just wait until you see what they've got up their sleeves for next season! I hope thats a sincere post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 28 March 2017 Share Posted 28 March 2017 23 minutes ago, doverfox said: i think that is time that King Power looked at our club the same way as their business. By assembling a strong management team that has progression built in we have had an excellent scouting system that should be allowed to deal exclusively with player recruitment with out the interference of the 1st team manager. History tells us that new manager = new players and back room staff. This didn't happen for the first year of Claudio. Who knows why top members of the scouting team left at the start of the season but we do know our best player last season KANTE wasn't initially wanted by the manager. The recruitment team wouldn't just be about results this week but about building a squad for the long term. And regardless of the manager making sure that we had credible replacements for all positions in the future. We had some of the best sport science guys at the club some believe in it some do not but they but our injury record last season speaks for its self. The same with sports psychologists etc perhaps they work perhaps they don't but the amount they cost is chicken feed and if they are some for a highly strung athlete to kick off at and say his piece just to get it out of their system then it can do no harm. Coaches and managers an end to this what big names are available but bring people through the most successful era Liverpool had was the boot room didn't look for the next big name just the next guy in line to keep the club moving forward with out scrapping everything that had gone before. In business different departments are responsible for delivering their small part to the success of the business why not separate the rolls in the club leaving experts in each area to concentrate on that area. I hope Craig get the job and brings in some coaches to back him up with a view to one day them becoming managers. The manager should suggest the type of players needed the scouting team should go out and search for the best available that fits the clubs recruitment policy ( the best center back may be player x aged 32 but we don't recruit players that age we recruit players with a sell on value so they find the best 25 year center back available) . I 100% disagree with this... The minute anything linked with King power starts to make a loss they would drop it like a hot cake.. except for Leicester city- they actually wiped out over 100 million of debt by turning it into shares.. they have poured so much money into our club and have said on numerous occasions that any money from the club will go back into it - 30 million for slimani, musa, numerous other signings is the evidence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 28 March 2017 Share Posted 28 March 2017 7 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: Just wait until you see what they've got up their sleeves for next season! Arms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucey Posted 29 March 2017 Share Posted 29 March 2017 I'd like to see us develop our club identity long term around our style of play as this high energy, high press, counter attacking football. None of this transitioning into trying to keep more possession rubbish. Shakey has shown that maybe the PL didn't actually 'work out' how to handle this style of play after all. I think having a distinctly different style of play keeps us in good stead when it comes to recruiting players we want to fit in our team, if they feel that our style of play would fit them perfectly. E.g if Ndidi leaves, we might be a more attractive proposition than the top 6 clubs to any beastly tackling DMs looking to move to the PL. Even for any other players we're after in general, thanks to our PL and CL exploits, we're now the biggest PL name apart from the top 6, and it will remain so for a few years from now at least. Good base to kick on from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 29 March 2017 Share Posted 29 March 2017 On 28/03/2017 at 14:53, doverfox said: i think that is time that King Power looked at our club the same way as their business. By assembling a strong management team that has progression built in we have had an excellent scouting system that should be allowed to deal exclusively with player recruitment with out the interference of the 1st team manager. History tells us that new manager = new players and back room staff. This didn't happen for the first year of Claudio. Who knows why top members of the scouting team left at the start of the season but we do know our best player last season KANTE wasn't initially wanted by the manager. The recruitment team wouldn't just be about results this week but about building a squad for the long term. And regardless of the manager making sure that we had credible replacements for all positions in the future. We had some of the best sport science guys at the club some believe in it some do not but they but our injury record last season speaks for its self. The same with sports psychologists etc perhaps they work perhaps they don't but the amount they cost is chicken feed and if they are some for a highly strung athlete to kick off at and say his piece just to get it out of their system then it can do no harm. Coaches and managers an end to this what big names are available but bring people through the most successful era Liverpool had was the boot room didn't look for the next big name just the next guy in line to keep the club moving forward with out scrapping everything that had gone before. In business different departments are responsible for delivering their small part to the success of the business why not separate the rolls in the club leaving experts in each area to concentrate on that area. I hope Craig get the job and brings in some coaches to back him up with a view to one day them becoming managers. The manager should suggest the type of players needed the scouting team should go out and search for the best available that fits the clubs recruitment policy ( the best center back may be player x aged 32 but we don't recruit players that age we recruit players with a sell on value so they find the best 25 year center back available) . Having experienced both total control and delegated control in both football and squash club management there's a great deal in what you say. When coaching and managing highly successful under 16 and under 18 teams I didn't recruit a single player. They were all recruited by the club secretary. Even the coaching wasn't exclusively mine, I got guest coaches in and particularly the now late Eric Worthington from Loughborough Colleges who went on to be coaching director of the Australian FA and, I believe, manager of the England womens team. My job as manager/coach was simply to pick the team, ensure everyone knew their role in the team and sort any problem during the game that might stop them winning. Simple as can be, seeing as the secretary clearly knew a footballer when he saw one. In semi-professional football it was my job to do the recruiting too and what an arduous and time-consuming task that was. You tended to go for playersyou knew which was fair enough up to a point but not so easy if you needed to improve on what you had and the guys you'd signed were - or became friends. And, like you say, no good for continuity when you moved on. Many might argue a manager/coach needs to recruit his own players to fit his own vision of he way forward for his team. But if you had outstanding recruitment personnel I don't know that it's vital. Proper consultation would perhaps be sensible but vital, I don't know, The recruitment specialists might actually be better at choosing players than the manager. My strength was tactical and motivational. When I qualified for my coaching badge we had an end-of-session competition in which teams were drawn at random from the groups of schoolkids used as "guinea pigs" by the organisers. We won and it gave me great satisfaction because it was all about getting the best out of what you were given. I wouldn't expect that at somewhere like Leicester but it illustrates the point. Horses for courses. Experts in different areas combining to compliment one another. That's certainly the way my oldest runs his business too - and highly successfully and, yes I'd definitely include things like the sports scientists, dieticians and psychologists if necessary. Even if a manager is the world's best motivator everyone gets stale or jaded for one reason or another and a change of ideas or focus can help enormously. It's why I had guest coaches (football and squash) and guest opponents on training nights (suqash only) ... to keep things fresh and to get players thinking about other ideas and possibilities. As mentioned on occasions before, winning in sport is not necessarily about having the best players but getting the best out of them and they out of themselves and each other. It's about giving attention to every little thing that might provide an advantage. Good free-kick or corner routines. Penalty practice. Attention to particular opposition strengths. Not having people booked for no reason or sent off by a fussy referee. Recognising if one of the players was down for some reason - an argument with the missus, concern for the health of a close family member, being flashed the night before for speeding. No one man can do everything alone, especially nowadays. But having really good people taking particular responsibilities while complimenting the group as if it were an SAS unit ... yes please. I wonder how Shaky sees it. He strikes me as a team player. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Clender Posted 29 March 2017 Share Posted 29 March 2017 Agreed. Its a vision I believe football clubs need to take in order to survive. Football managers are not what they used to be. All they should be afforded with are in-game tactics and speaking to the media. For everything else, the Club and a properly integrated Supporters Trust should run. Like you say, in this day and age which club can afford to back a manger with all their demands only to be sacked 4 weeks later and then start again? Guardiola will be gone in 2-3 years and he's "the best football manger the world has ever seen" Mourinho how long before he's gone? and he's "the best football manger the world has ever seen" Another bug bear for me is the length of contracts given. Klopp on a 6 year contract, is he really going to see that out? 1 year contract for any football manager should be the longest given. Vive la Revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxInBlue Posted 30 March 2017 Share Posted 30 March 2017 On 28/03/2017 at 15:07, Sol thewall Bamba said: Just wait until you see what they've got up their sleeves for next season! Jon Rudkin's P45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 30 March 2017 Share Posted 30 March 2017 On 28/03/2017 at 15:08, WigstonWanderer said: Good or bad? On 28/03/2017 at 15:08, m4DD0gg said: I hope thats a sincere post. Haha it's nothing major, just the next stage of the marketing campaign that got discussed at one of the 'your 90 minutes' things a few weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxile5 Posted 30 March 2017 Share Posted 30 March 2017 2 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: Haha it's nothing major, just the next stage of the marketing campaign that got discussed at one of the 'your 90 minutes' things a few weeks ago. Is it a website that requires two clicks to access content instead of one? Are we going to triple our output of Facebook photographs of morons with King Power bags on matchdays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CityFan 06 Posted 30 March 2017 Share Posted 30 March 2017 2 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: Haha it's nothing major, just the next stage of the marketing campaign that got discussed at one of the 'your 90 minutes' things a few weeks ago. Do you know why the FCC meetings do not get published anymore on the club's or Union FS's website? Always liked reading them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovejoy Posted 30 March 2017 Share Posted 30 March 2017 20 hours ago, Danny Clender said: Agreed. Its a vision I believe football clubs need to take in order to survive. Football managers are not what they used to be. All they should be afforded with are in-game tactics and speaking to the media. For everything else, the Club and a properly integrated Supporters Trust should run. Like you say, in this day and age which club can afford to back a manger with all their demands only to be sacked 4 weeks later and then start again? Guardiola will be gone in 2-3 years and he's "the best football manger the world has ever seen" Mourinho how long before he's gone? and he's "the best football manger the world has ever seen" Another bug bear for me is the length of contracts given. Klopp on a 6 year contract, is he really going to see that out? 1 year contract for any football manager should be the longest given. Vive la Revolution. I'd argue that "Football Managers" are close to extinction. They are "Head Coaches" now, and there is a clear difference. For me, Southampton and Sevilla have excellent models of succession planning and the "black book" of which player/manager will replace the predecessor. I think we should do the same, have a philosophy throughout the club from top to bottom and get a good Director of Football . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 31 March 2017 Share Posted 31 March 2017 19 hours ago, foxile5 said: Is it a website that requires two clicks to access content instead of one? Are we going to triple our output of Facebook photographs of morons with King Power bags on matchdays? I actually avoid our website cos its so crap.. and the two click enter just annoys me and is the straw that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 31 March 2017 Share Posted 31 March 2017 14 minutes ago, ozleicester said: I actually avoid our website cos its so crap.. and the two click enter just annoys me and is the straw that... ....one of the three little pigs built his house from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 31 March 2017 Share Posted 31 March 2017 Owners are going to sell at the end of the season, due to brexit. Everything else making up brexit stories so here is mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 31 March 2017 Share Posted 31 March 2017 6 hours ago, ozleicester said: I actually avoid our website cos its so crap.. and the two click enter just annoys me and is the straw that... Agree, really annoying to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvaldo Posted 31 March 2017 Share Posted 31 March 2017 I'm more concerned about Shakey's future. He looks a bit red faced here. He's a big lad. I hope he's not feeling too stressed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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