Sven - Magician or Court Jester?

[renards]

Gone down hill since Chris Powell left and Dietmar Hamann started.

None of the out field coaches are that familiar wih how you succeed in our league.

Powell was the link

[renards]

Sven's approach to management quite obviously doesn't work....

Svenska Cupen Winners 1979, 1982

Allsvenskan Champions 1982

UEFA Cup Winners 1982

Portuguese Liga Champions 1983, 1984, 1991

Cup of Portugal Winners 1983

SuperCup Cândido de Oliveira Champions 1989

European Cup Runners Up 1990

UEFA Cup Runners Up 1983

Coppa Italia Winners 1986

Coppa Italia Winners 1994

Serie A Champions 2000

Coppa Italia Winners 1998, 2000

Italian Super Cup Winners 1998, 2000

UEFA Cup Winners' Cup Winners 1999

UEFA Super Cup Winners 1999

UEFA Cup Runners Up 1998

None can compare with the players he has to work with and the standard and style in the English 2nd tier, he admits himself he has been taken by suprise.

Will be better prepared next season

[Haydos]

Yet again a post taken completely out of context... I said that the debate is now becoming more balanced... And that the truly one sided views of 'the Sven revolution' are conspicuous by their absence. Read the post cos if you think what I wrote is one sided you ain't readin it.

I'm clearly highlighting the part about the 'Sven revolution going quiet'. Clearly there's not going to be much to rave about at the moment, the same as there's not much for the moaners to moan about a month or so ago.

Why bring it up when it works the same both ways. I actually defended your original post against someone who didn't read it and thought you were being completely negative. You may not be one of the boo boys, if not then apologies, I was merely addressing those who fail to see that he's a very decent manager who has his pitfalls.

You have to take the good with the bad, we knew he had his deficiencies from his England days but it is a no brainer for him to be here.

Gone down hill since Chris Powell left and Dietmar Hamann started.

None of the out field coaches are that familiar wih how you succeed in our league.

Powell was the link

A couple of people have mentioned that. For me, learned behaviour isn't affected like that. Alright, style of play or instructions may have an effect but there is no reason for performance to suffer a week after the coach leaves. What happened? Did they just forget any work they did with him?

[teblin]

Some people just post on here to get a reaction and i can't believe people bite.

In my opinion I think the play-offs was to big of an ask from where we were. Having said that we are still only 5 points off and I think a lot of us would have taken that with 8 games left, considering we were bottom after 9 games. We could have quite easily appointed a manager and given him the same amount of money as Sven and still been in the bottom 3.

We need to have a little bit of perceptive on this season, Sousa was a disaster and if we had an average start we'd be in the playoffs now.

[Candidcamera]

Just reading this type of thread annoys me. I know we all have a right to express our opinions but disappointment doesn't always mean take it out on the manager.

[The Sven Revolution]

This is not a 'Sven Out' campaign

However, there has been a lot of crap posted on here over the past few weeks about how magical Sven is and automatic promotion is possible etc... (see 'The Sven Revolution' for a particularly biased account..)

Sven concerns me at the moment as it COULD be he is taking the club in the wrong direction. Selling Morrison, loaning out Hobbs and Schlupp, bringing-in Ricardo and the Yak. Dropping Vittor and playing Bruma today.... the list of strange decisions is becoming longer.On the plus side, Naughton is superb in my opinion, BUT I don't think he'll stay.

Is Sven still being seen as a Prize or a plonker? A magician or a court jester? Is he taking the club forward or are we actually getting rid of our better longer-term assets?

Discuss please

I think this is the utter most crap I have seen posted here in a few weeks. Supporting the club it's manager - Sven and acknowledging his achievements is not crap, what is crap is your pathetic attempt to belittle OUR MANAGER. 8 games to go and we are still not out of it mathematically, share the disappointment of yesterday's loss that's fine but don't start this dirty negativism!

[The Sven Revolution]

Wow, I thought this thread would stir-up some opinion but I'm surprised at how much. It appears the tide is turning and that opinion is becoming more balanced. Unless I've missed it however the 'Sven revolution' seems to have gone very quiet...

Magician or a Court Jester! Cmon thats not balanced is it?

[somebum]

Sven's approach to management quite obviously doesn't work....

Svenska Cupen Winners 1979, 1982

Allsvenskan Champions 1982

UEFA Cup Winners 1982

Portuguese Liga Champions 1983, 1984, 1991

Cup of Portugal Winners 1983

SuperCup Cândido de Oliveira Champions 1989

European Cup Runners Up 1990

UEFA Cup Runners Up 1983

Coppa Italia Winners 1986

Coppa Italia Winners 1994

Serie A Champions 2000

Coppa Italia Winners 1998, 2000

Italian Super Cup Winners 1998, 2000

UEFA Cup Winners' Cup Winners 1999

UEFA Super Cup Winners 1999

UEFA Cup Runners Up 1998

All a long time ago in a universe far, far away. FFS why not dig George ****ing Graham out of the knackers yard?

[accessory]

Just reading this type of thread annoys me. I know we all have a right to express our opinions but disappointment doesn't always mean take it out on the manager.

Indeed, but in this case, the criticisms of Sven are entirely justified.

There was no reason for him to tinker with a defence that showed stability and confidence for the first time in weeks at Scunthorpe. The uncertainty he created had a massive role in Pompey's winner yesterday.

His failure to acknowledge. let alone address, the problems caused by our attack misfiring during recent games has also cost us dearly.

As for those who'll say he'll do better next season, look at the three signings he's made to date - Ricardo, Bamba and Vassell. Of those, only Bamba could be said to be a success, and even he's shown in recent games the form that saw him languish for so long in the football backwaters of the SPL.

The jury is still out on whether Eriksson will turn out to be a mercenary or a messiah.

[Guest Col city fan]

Magician or a Court Jester! Cmon thats not balanced is it?

This will be my last reply to you because you are just not reading what I'm saying and it's becoming annoying now.. Please kiss svens bum in your own time and don't keep trying to make everyone else do it

[21st Century Fox]

This will be my last reply to you because you are just not reading what I'm saying and it's becoming annoying now.. Please kiss svens bum in your own time and don't keep trying to make everyone else do it

Col City Fan, you start these threads under the guise of a 'debate' when we lose and bleat on about context and opinion, though if anyone doesn't share your anti-sven perspective its called 'bum-licking'. I believe you'll find that most people who are backing Sven aren't or never were caught up with what you keep calling "The Sven Revolution", we can see the guys fallible as every manager is. I'm backing Sven because I think he's our best option to get out of this league (this season or shock horror the next) and have us playing the football that'll actually allow us to compete in the Premiership.

[The Sven Revolution]

This will be my last reply to you because you are just not reading what I'm saying and it's becoming annoying now.. Please kiss svens bum in your own time and don't keep trying to make everyone else do it

This does not even merit a response! Others have responded to you on my behalf..you seem to be juvenile..as long as thats working for you..gud luck!

[MC Prussian]

To the thread starter:

Please paraphrase your definition of "patience".

As already stated in another thread where you were slagging off Sven for the poor results as of recent (and I bet you'll jump to your defense claiming you never said that):

You're putting the blame on a manager who's only been with us for roughly 6 months, who had to learn more about this league without a proper pre-season (unlike your darlings Grayson or Lambert).

"Sven Revolution"? You're having a laugh. You're implying there's things been going on behind the FT scenes, as if a majority on here's part of some sort of a Sven Cult.

I don't buy into this sh*t claim of yours.

So, can I just ask you to come up with a bit more beef in regards to your "critique"?

Because it appears to me you're simply starting these "discussions" in order to indulge in winding up other posters.

At your age, you've been around long enough to have seen managers come and go, so you do very probably remember how people were getting on Ferguson's back after a poor series of results when he took over at ManU?

Sven has made a couple of questionable decisions when it comes to team selection, but so does every other manager.

[The Sven Revolution]

To the thread starter:

Please paraphrase your definition of "patience".

As already stated in another thread where you were slagging off Sven for the poor results as of recent (and I bet you'll jump to your defense claiming you never said that):

You're putting the blame on a manager who's only been with us for roughly 6 months, who had to learn more about this league without a proper pre-season (unlike your darlings Grayson or Lambert).

"Sven Revolution"? You're having a laugh. You're implying there's things been going on behind the FT scenes, as if a majority on here's part of some sort of a Sven Cult.

I don't buy into this sh*t claim of yours.

So, can I just ask you to come up with a bit more beef in regards to your "critique"?

Because it appears to me you're simply starting these "discussions" in order to indulge in winding up other posters.

At your age, you've been around long enough to have seen managers come and go, so you do very probably remember how people were getting on Ferguson's back after a poor series of results when he took over at ManU?

Sven has made a couple of questionable decisions when it comes to team selection, but so does every other manager.

Prussian, you make couple of good points. Sven cult..no thank you, my basic point is we must back the manager (whoever it is) until a point where we see the whole 'project' failing completely and then we push for him to get the sack. That point will not come until March 2012, so till then we back Sven!

[brockmyster]

This is not a 'Sven Out' campaign

However, there has been a lot of crap posted on here over the past few weeks about how magical Sven is and automatic promotion is possible etc... (see 'The Sven Revolution' for a particularly biased account..)

Sven concerns me at the moment as it COULD be he is taking the club in the wrong direction. Selling Morrison, loaning out Hobbs and Schlupp, bringing-in Ricardo and the Yak. Dropping Vittor and playing Bruma today.... the list of strange decisions is becoming longer.On the plus side, Naughton is superb in my opinion, BUT I don't think he'll stay.

Is Sven still being seen as a Prize or a plonker? A magician or a court jester? Is he taking the club forward or are we actually getting rid of our better longer-term assets?Discuss please

Ur a ****ing tosser Schlupp has never played a proffesional game and is young, so sven sending him out to get match experience is the wrong decision? Twat

[m00nie]

Ur a ****ing tosser Schlupp has never played a proffesional game and is young, so sven sending him out to get match experience is the wrong decision? Twat

wow you certainly discussed that well

[Guest Col city fan]

wow you certainly discussed that well

yes he gave a very reasoned account.

[brockmyster]

Well its true sven has sent a young inexperienced player out on loan and ur slagging that decision off instead of supporting it

[Corky]

He's neither magician or court jester.

[Bugg]

He's neither magician or court jester.

no, he's a faaaaaaaacking football manager!!!

[The Year Of The Fox]

Jester. One day the sven lovers will realise

[cc_star]

Sven will be an amazing Premier League manager for us, not sure he has the know-how to get us there though.

This division is renowned for being extremely difficult to get out of (upwards), to do so you need an amazing team spirit and our players have none, his treatment of anyone he's not signed is bordering on disgraceful culminating in his treatment of Vitor. any other manager worth his salt would have been championing Vitor, talking about his tremendous resolve coming back from injury regaining his place, putting in a MotM performance contributing to a rare clean sheet AND weighing in couple of goals, he could of gone on to say that performances like that will see us reach the playoffs - instead there was silence, all the usual errms & umms and then DROPPED.

Speaking after the latest defeat he said on Bruma's return errrm errrrrm ummmmm errrrrm sometimes errrrrrm ummmm errrrrm its difficult to errrrrrm errrrrrrrrm ummmmm explain that another player is errrrrrm errrrrrm errrrrrrm ummmmm better errrrm ummmm errrrrm than you

whoop de feckin do

What this man knows about teambuilding, team spirit and the kind of effort & enthusiasm needed for the final push can be written on a postage stamp.

Great manager, who's capable in the right circumstances and given a bottomless pit of money to buy a good team, but in this division where enthusiasm & fight often count for more than being comfortable on the ball. With each lacklustre performance he is proving a fraction more unsuitable for this division - Especially as he thinks the erratic Kamara is the answer (another player who'd give 2 good games (where Sven';s bumboys will be hailing him followed by 10 shit ones)

Ignoring Sousa, if the season started on Sven's first day, we'd be 6th I don't think that's a great return for a £3m contract (costing many, many times more than any other manager in the division) with £10m+ to spend on players (99% of which ain't even ours)

[Brown Fox]

Sven will be an amazing Premier League manager for us, not sure he has the know-how to get us there though.

This division is renowned for being extremely difficult to get out of (upwards), to do so you need an amazing team spirit and our players have none, his treatment of anyone he's not signed is bordering on disgraceful culminating in his treatment of Vitor. any other manager worth his salt would have been championing Vitor, talking about his tremendous resolve coming back from injury regaining his place, putting in a MotM performance contributing to a rare clean sheet AND weighing in couple of goals, he could of gone on to say that performances like that will see us reach the playoffs - instead there was silence, all the usual errms & umms and then DROPPED.

Speaking after the latest defeat he said on Bruma's return errrm errrrrm ummmmm errrrrm sometimes errrrrrm ummmm errrrrm its difficult to errrrrrm errrrrrrrrm ummmmm explain that another player is errrrrrm errrrrrm errrrrrrm ummmmm better errrrm ummmm errrrrm than you

whoop de feckin do

What this man knows about teambuilding, team spirit and the kind of effort & enthusiasm needed for the final push can be written on a postage stamp.

Great manager, who's capable in the right circumstances and given a bottomless pit of money to buy a good team, but in this division where enthusiasm & fight often count for more than being comfortable on the ball. With each lacklustre performance he is proving a fraction more unsuitable for this division - Especially as he thinks the erratic Kamara is the answer (another player who'd give 2 good games (where Sven';s bumboys will be hailing him followed by 10 shit ones)

Ignoring Sousa, if the season started on Sven's first day, we'd be 6th I don't think that's a great return for a £3m contract (costing many, many times more than any other manager in the division) with £10m+ to spend on players (99% of which ain't even ours)

Another person who convienently forgets that Sven had no pre season, no summer transfer window, picking a team up with 0% confidence after being bottom of the table and having no depth in squad. So it quite silly saying the 99% of the players aren't even ours in a cynical way when he has had no choice but to get in loanees with only the January transfer window. Why didn't you talk about team spirit when we'd won 7 out of 8? Because we obviously had none then..

[Babylon]

Ignoring Sousa, if the season started on Sven's first day, we'd be 6th I don't think that's a great return for a £3m contract (costing many, many times more than any other manager in the division) with £10m+ to spend on players (99% of which ain't even ours)

You don't learn do you.

Joint 4th and three points from the top, taking over a demoralised team taking over hammerings every week. Without a preseason, without a summer transfer window... and you think that's a bad result so far with quite a few games to go?

Oh and once again, it said THE OWNERS HAVE INVESTED £10m INTO THE CLUB, NOT THEY HAVE SPENT £10m ON PLAYERS.

Stop saying he has spent £10m because quite clearly he bloody hasn't. Did he buy Waghorn, did he buy Abe, Moussa, and the other misfits Sousa bought in. Did Sven also tell the owners to pay off Sousa and all his backroom team.

Even if Yakubu was on £50k a week (denied by someone who knows the players) And we pay him for 5 months that would only come to £1m. There is no way the likes of Mee, Van, Bruma, Cunningham are on more than £10k (so £800,000 for them), Naughton might be on a bit more than that possibly (so £800k of him over the season). Bednar and Kirkland no more than a couple of 100k.

Even if you paid £200k for each of the long term ones as a fee you'd still be looking at under £1.5m in fees (plus it's known the more they play the less the clubs get in fees). The only fee paid out was for Bamba and that was peanuts and Vassell won't be on huge sums coming off the scrap heap in turkey

This is all before you even take into account the fact we got over £1m for Fryatt, £250k for Morrison. Their wages off the books along with Hobbs and some from other loan players.

[Guest Col city fan]

You don't learn do you.

Joint 4th and three points from the top, taking over a demoralised team taking over hammerings every week. Without a preseason, without a summer transfer window... and you think that's a bad result so far with quite a few games to go?

Oh and once again, it said THE OWNERS HAVE INVESTED £10m INTO THE CLUB, NOT THEY HAVE SPENT £10m ON PLAYERS.

Stop saying he has spent £10m because quite clearly he bloody hasn't. Did he buy Waghorn, did he buy Abe, Moussa, and the other misfits Sousa bought in. Did Sven also tell the owners to pay off Sousa and all his backroom team.

Even if Yakubu was on £50k a week (denied by someone who knows the players) And we pay him for 5 months that would only come to £1m. There is no way the likes of Mee, Van, Bruma, Cunningham are on more than £10k (so £800,000 for them), Naughton might be on a bit more than that possibly (so £800k of him over the season). Bednar and Kirkland no more than a couple of 100k.

Even if you paid £200k for each of the long term ones as a fee you'd still be looking at under £1.5m in fees (plus it's known the more they play the less the clubs get in fees). The only fee paid out was for Bamba and that was peanuts and Vassell won't be on huge sums coming off the scrap heap in turkey

This is all before you even take into account the fact we got over £1m for Fryatt, £250k for Morrison. Their wages off the books along with Hobbs and some from other loan players.

facts, can't argue with them