Monsell1976 Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 No I didn't get it wrong about pearson, he has had a mare of a season, and made many, many mistakes. But what I will say is I'm pleased he is now being brave, and playing to our strengths, and getting the rewards for it
SpacedX Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 He showed some good tactical nous today, with the formation change and subs. Very impressed. Agree...but he's had the majority of this team at his disposal all season an if he'd played to its strengths like he's doing now then we wouldn't have got into this shit. I honestly think we would have been comfortably sitting mid table...we're good enough. What a massive difference dropping James made today. If we're going to pull this off Morgan has to go too. Unbelieveable work rate out there...(one or two out of contract soon)
desertfox2 Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 He's learnt from past mistakes and getting better as he learns the prem. Fair play to him. Never been pearson out but could see why some were after the hull game in particular. We are a different side when we attack sides as we must be one of the quickest sides in the league on the break. We have the nucleus of a very good prem side. If you took kane and Eriksen from tottenham we would be better than them. He's built a very good squad. a couple of quality signings in the summer i.e 2 match winners and a lb and rb, keep cambiasso and huth and we will finish top half next season. We haven't been beaten by more than 2 goals tells the whole story.
C-man Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Haha. Anyone else see Dean Sturridge outside the East Stand after the game? DEANO!!
Buzzell Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Haha. Anyone else see Dean Sturridge outside the East Stand after the game? DEANO!! Did he do the Sturridge dance?
shailen Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 I've said it before and I'll say it again. We have been playing well since January apart from one or two games. The bad run was nothing to do with tactics or personnel on the whole. It was a simple case of us not taking our chances. Tactics, managers and players get criticised when we lose. I dont think much has changed recently in terms of the way we play, today being another excellent performance. BUT we have shown a new belief and resilience, as well as getting that bit of luck which is always needed. Regardless of what anyone says, we have been excellent this season. Apart from October - December period, we have played well in every game and could easily have another 10-15 points. Results weren't going for us then but they are now. LONG MAY IT CONTINUE!!!!!!
ImBlue Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Have to say, the half time sub and change of formation was needed, he previously had waited too long to make them sort of changes but got everything spot on today. Fair play.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 I was right about Pearson. If he'd have had the common sense to play like this all season we'd already be safe. About time Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You need anti depressants
Strokes Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 No I didn't get it wrong about pearson, he has had a mare of a season, and made many, many mistakes. But what I will say is I'm pleased he is now being brave, and playing to our strengths, and getting the rewards for it You were wrong because you said he won't learn and couldn't compete in the top flight.
shailen Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 No I didn't get it wrong about pearson, he has had a mare of a season, and made many, many mistakes. But what I will say is I'm pleased he is now being brave, and playing to our strengths, and getting the rewards for it Since January we have played well and in general the tactics and line up have been spot on, but it's the inability to take chances which has cost us. Only the Hull game at home did we get it wrong tactically. What can the manager do if the team is not converting chances. Part of his job is to set the team up in the best way to win, and keep the confidence and team spirit alive, and he has done that in a difficult situation. A lot of teams would have just folded, but we kept on going and look where we are now. The West Brom and West Ham games could have gone the other way, if we didn't have that bit of luck and composure in the final minutes. If we hadn't got those goals, everyone on here would we outraged at Pearson's tactics, the team line up...etc. I don't see how anyone can say genuinely we haven't played well for most the season. Apart from October-December period, we have played really well and are now starting to get the points for our performances.
Monsell1976 Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 You were wrong because you said he won't learn and couldn't compete in the top flight.No I said he didn't seem to learning, didn't think he has what it takes to manage in this league, and I would have got rid.We have had 3 good results, doesn't change the things that have gone before. I don't hate Pearson, don't think he's the long term option in this league, and I am glad he's getting some good results. Not because I rate Pearson, but I'm a city who wants us to stay up, it's nice we have finally joined the relegation battle, after what looked a lost cause for a long time, due to the reason discussed to death in here
Strokes Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 If we stay up it does change what has gone on before, it's a results business (so I hear) and if he achieves survival, he has had a successful season.
Monsell1976 Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Since January we have played well and in general the tactics and line up have been spot on, but it's the inability to take chances which has cost us. Only the Hull game at home did we get it wrong tactically. What can the manager do if the team is not converting chances. Part of his job is to set the team up in the best way to win, and keep the confidence and team spirit alive, and he has done that in a difficult situation. A lot of teams would have just folded, but we kept on going and look where we are now. The West Brom and West Ham games could have gone the other way, if we didn't have that bit of luck and composure in the final minutes. If we hadn't got those goals, everyone on here would we outraged at Pearson's tactics, the team line up...etc. I don't see how anyone can say genuinely we haven't played well for most the season. Apart from October-December period, we have played really well and are now starting to get the points for our performances. To be fair, I like the new no fear approach and it's paying off, and the games we have won, like you say could have gone either way.But if we are to go down, this is how I would want it, fighting and not being to cautious, which I think Pearson has been guilty of over the season. The way we are playing, we are open to counter attacks, and could be beaten well, but long may this run continue, as I am enjoying watching us again.
Monsell1976 Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 If we stay up it does change what has gone on before, it's a results business (so I hear) and if he achieves survival, he has had a successful season.Of course it matters, let's see where it goes, if we stay up, we need to establish our selfs, but if next season follows a similar pattern, do we want another one like this, barring 7 games.
Strokes Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Of course it matters, let's see where it goes, if we stay up, we need to establish our selfs, but if next season follows a similar pattern, do we want another one like this, barring 7 games. Im not sure what the problem with season has been, I said at the time and I still believe it now, I'd rather be bottom and playing football, than surviving under a hoofball merchant like pulis. To survive playing football would be even more preferable.
SpacedX Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Since January we have played well and in general the tactics and line up have been spot on, but it's the inability to take chances which has cost us. Only the Hull game at home did we get it wrong tactically. What can the manager do if the team is not converting chances. Part of his job is to set the team up in the best way to win, and keep the confidence and team spirit alive, and he has done that in a difficult situation. A lot of teams would have just folded, but we kept on going and look where we are now. The West Brom and West Ham games could have gone the other way, if we didn't have that bit of luck and composure in the final minutes. If we hadn't got those goals, everyone on here would we outraged at Pearson's tactics, the team line up...etc. I don't see how anyone can say genuinely we haven't played well for most the season. Apart from October-December period, we have played really well and are now starting to get the points for our performances. Seriously...have we been watching different sides? Completely disagree. There are so, so many examples...but here's one. Arsenal away...Konch vs Walcott - honestly, what did you think was going to happen? I'm surprised it took that long. I suggested a WB system moving Schlupp to replace Konch and RDL back in for the appalling Danny Simpson. Got flamed on here for that. We could have at the very least drawn that game, possibly even won it. The tactics, strategy and decisions against Palace at home were similarly atrocious. In suggesting Schlupp at LB I also floated the idea of Mahrez on the left to accommodate Albrighton...although arguably not his favoured position, that's how his country deploys him. Got flamed for that too. What happened when he came on today? - and it worked. Vardy and Nuge aren't working up top, that's been obvious all this season. Nuge behind Leo, and Jamie out wide in some space where all his goals tend to come from as opposed to the channels. Nige eventually gets it, everyone suddenly say's Vardy's found his form again. NP is learning, but **** me - how long did it take. He's in charge of a Premier League Club, which means adapting before and during games, knowing your squad, ditching old boy loyalties and making constructive changes when needed. How long did it take him to come down from the stand? How long did it take him to drop Simpson? How long did it take until he started Albrighton? It's getting there, but if the man wasn't so stubborn and arrogant, in addition to finally playing to the teams strengths - perhaps he would have been introspective a whole lot earlier and played to his own and we would have comfortably been mid table. Now please explain if the tactics have been spot on, why in Christ's name is Wes Morgan not only in the armband over Cambi, but anywhere near first team Premiership football?
shailen Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Seriously...have we been watching different sides? Completely disagree. There are so, so many examples...but here's one. Arsenal away...Konch vs Walcott - honestly, what did you think was going to happen? I'm surprised it took that long. I suggested a WB system moving Schlupp to replace Konch and RDL back in for the appalling Danny Simpson. Got flamed on here for that. We could have at the very least drawn that game, possibly even won it. The tactics, strategy and decisions against Palace at home were similarly atrocious. In suggesting Schlupp at LB I also floated the idea of Mahrez on the left to accommodate Albrighton...although arguably not his favoured position, that's how his country deploys him. Got flamed for that too. What happened when he came on today? - and it worked. Vardy and Nuge aren't working up top, that's been obvious all this season. Nuge behind Leo, and Jamie out wide in some space where all his goals tend to come from as opposed to the channels. Nige eventually gets it, everyone suddenly say's Vardy's found his form again. NP is learning, but **** me - how long did it take. He's in charge of a Premier League Club, which means adapting before and during games, knowing your squad, ditching old boy loyalties and making constructive changes when needed. How long did it take him to come down from the stand? How long did it take him to drop Simpson? How long did it take until he started Albrighton? It's getting there, but if the man wasn't so stubborn and arrogant, in addition to finally playing to the teams strengths - perhaps he would have been introspective a whole lot earlier and played to his own and we would have comfortably been mid table. Now please explain if the tactics have been spot on, why in Christ's name is Wes Morgan not only in the armband over Cambi, but anywhere near first team Premiership football? Konch vs Walcott - Think the idea was to contain his pace. Schlupp gets caught too far up forward. Defensively Walcott would have run rings around him. Obviously didn't work but the idea was there. The one thing I agree with you on is Danny Simpson. RDL is suited to that position, but I remember when De Laet was first dropped everyone on here seemed to be happy claiming that he was a defensive liability, yet you could argue the same about Simpson. Palace at home, until they scored we were definitely the better side. One of my Burnley friends even said we were all over them to get an unbiased view. After they scored we barely got near them except for the Nuge/Cambiasso chance. Albrighton is a difficult one for me. There is no doubt he deserved his chance, and has done well since he came back. BUT I think he is still a little one dimensional. Head down, yard of pace and puts a good cross in. Against better teams I am not convinced he will be as effective. BUT he definitely warrants his place and it is a long time in the waiting. The last point about changes I completely disagree with. We have made so many changes, it is unbelievable. You say he is stubborn, but he has literally changed formation and personnel so many times. He is open to change. This is the point I am trying to make. Today we were fantastic, but the West Ham and West Brom games were really tight. A late goal swung both games in our favour. Had those goals not gone in, I guarantee people would be going on about how Nige's tactics were bad. AND it's been like that for a long time. Take the Spurs, Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool games. If we had taken more of our chances in those games, we would easily be sitting here with more points. And in these games we were the better team, so you could argue we deserved it. The stick Wes gets on here is unbelievable. Okay he had a baron period, but so has almost every player but Cambiasso tbh. He is a better leader, but what kind of message does it send to make him captain from day 1, despite all his experience. It would make the other players feel unloved, and Cambiasso would become another one of Pearson's favourites.
SpacedX Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Konch vs Walcott - Think the idea was to contain his pace. Schlupp gets caught too far up forward. Defensively Walcott would have run rings around him. Obviously didn't work but the idea was there. The one thing I agree with you on is Danny Simpson. RDL is suited to that position, but I remember when De Laet was first dropped everyone on here seemed to be happy claiming that he was a defensive liability, yet you could argue the same about Simpson. Palace at home, until they scored we were definitely the better side. One of my Burnley friends even said we were all over them to get an unbiased view. After they scored we barely got near them except for the Nuge/Cambiasso chance. Albrighton is a difficult one for me. There is no doubt he deserved his chance, and has done well since he came back. BUT I think he is still a little one dimensional. Head down, yard of pace and puts a good cross in. Against better teams I am not convinced he will be as effective. BUT he definitely warrants his place and it is a long time in the waiting. The last point about changes I completely disagree with. We have made so many changes, it is unbelievable. You say he is stubborn, but he has literally changed formation and personnel so many times. He is open to change. This is the point I am trying to make. Today we were fantastic, but the West Ham and West Brom games were really tight. A late goal swung both games in our favour. Had those goals not gone in, I guarantee people would be going on about how Nige's tactics were bad. AND it's been like that for a long time. Take the Spurs, Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool games. If we had taken more of our chances in those games, we would easily be sitting here with more points. And in these games we were the better team, so you could argue we deserved it. The stick Wes gets on here is unbelievable. Okay he had a baron period, but so has almost every player but Cambiasso tbh. He is a better leader, but what kind of message does it send to make him captain from day 1, despite all his experience. It would make the other players feel unloved, and Cambiasso would become another one of Pearson's favourites. Some fair counter points...but I'm sorry, Konch was never going to contain Walcott. Additionally it became apparent very quickly that there was a goal coming and Nige didn't act. Wes was an utter liability today. He's completely and utterly out of his depth and isn't supporting his teammates as a captain should.
lifted*fox Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 You need anti depressants I'm not certain even they'd help. Miserable.
Mark_w Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 I was wrong to think he didn't stand much chance of keeping us up a few weeks ago. Sorry for underestimating you glorious leader.
TheMightySystem Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Wes was an utter liability today. The only stand out moment to me was when he lobbed the ball back to Schmeichel with a swansea striker rushing on but apart from that he didnt have a bad game in my eyes, got an assist too, or do they not count for defenders
shailen Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Some fair counter points...but I'm sorry, Konch was never going to contain Walcott. Additionally it became apparent very quickly that there was a goal coming and Nige didn't act. Wes was an utter liability today. He's completely and utterly out of his depth and isn't supporting his teammates as a captain should. With hindsight, about the Konch point yes. BUT the problem is that we are still weak in the LB position. Its either Jeff or Konch. Better opposition will take either apart. Wes was a bit shaky today, I agree. But we kept a clean sheet, and apart from the Oliveria chance, they didn't threaten our goal at all. A lot of that has to go to attacking being the best form of defence. We pushed Swansea so far deep, they were literally all parked in their own box. Not sure how he was a liability
LJS Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 I was right about Pearson. If he'd have had the common sense to play like this all season we'd already be safe. About time Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk This is my position also. I'm that delighted he appears to have seen where he was going wrong but it took a long time for him to do so. He will deserve lots of credit if he keeps us up and I'll be among the first to praise him. But it was his negative approach to football matches which has left us needing one hell of a run to stay up.
Larry_LCFC Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 I don't think we were wrong to want him gone. He was stubbornly and persistently making the same awful and bizarre decisions week in, week out. He has finally come up with a plan b which is working and he is acknowledging our best players.
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