shailen Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 I don't think we were wrong to want him gone. He was stubbornly and persistently making the same awful and bizarre decisions week in, week out. He has finally come up with a plan b which is working and he is acknowledging our best players. Surely putting Vardy and Nugent back into the team was a bizarre decision. Surely going 5 at the back was a bizarre decision. What doesn't work becomes bizarre. I've probably said this a hundred times, but we are now showing more quality in front of goals. That has been the difference.
Larry_LCFC Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Surely putting Vardy and Nugent back into the team was a bizarre decision. Surely going 5 at the back was a bizarre decision. What doesn't work becomes bizarre. I've probably said this a hundred times, but we are now showing more quality in front of goals. That has been the difference.Never letting Albrighton play? Repeating odd formations that don't work? Losing it with fans and players? Pearson was on the brink to the point of embarrassment. Fair play to him, he changed things up eventually and started playing to our strengths. He acknowledged the likes of Albrighton and let us go for it. Credit where credit is due.
LJS Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Surely putting Vardy and Nugent back into the team was a bizarre decision. Surely going 5 at the back was a bizarre decision. What doesn't work becomes bizarre. I've probably said this a hundred times, but we are now showing more quality in front of goals. That has been the difference. Not for me. In fact we are still missing plenty. We just happen to be creating more because we are being set up more adventurously. There have been a number of home matches in which our negativity really cost us. Stoke, West Brom, Sunderland, Hull, Palace. We should have significantly more than the three points we managed from those games and probably be feeling much more comfortable than we do now. I was genuinely bored watching each of those.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 People were wrong to want him gone. I don't think this team would have half the spirit and confidence without him at the helm. People just can't face the fact that they became something indistinguishable from the Villa, Newcastle and Sunderland fans we all mock; thinking they have a divine right to be in this league. The players and Nigel have never thought that and have battled in every game and gave a good performance, unfortunately the fickle ones among you couldn't see past the results.
Larry_LCFC Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 People were wrong to want him gone. I don't think this team would have half the spirit and confidence without him at the helm. People just can't face the fact that they became something indistinguishable from the Villa, Newcastle and Sunderland fans we all mock; thinking they have a divine right to be in this league. The players and Nigel have never thought that and have battled in every game and gave a good performance, unfortunately the fickle ones among you couldn't see past the results. Not in the slightest. Any other team he would have gone and deserved to. If you performed like that in your job for months on end without coming up with any new ideas, you would be given the shove. NP was incredibly lucky and the gamble to be fair, is paying off. The chances of pulling off what we have done based on how most of this season has gone was remote.
shailen Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Never letting Albrighton play? Repeating odd formations that don't work? Losing it with fans and players? Pearson was on the brink to the point of embarrassment. Fair play to him, he changed things up eventually and started playing to our strengths. He acknowledged the likes of Albrighton and let us go for it. Credit where credit is due. We have literally tried about 4/5 formations this season. If anything he should be criticized for not sticking to what he thought was best. Embarrassment? We were one of the three most likely teams to go down. Never been completely outplayed apart from Swansea away. Always been in every game. What embarrassment. There's no doubt that this is a results business, and we have been unable to get results enough this season. But usually good performances bring good results. We haven't had the results mainly because we don't put chances away. I can probably list you chances in every game, bar two/three where we have had good chances to score.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Not in the slightest. Any other team he would have gone and deserved to. If you performed like that in your job for months on end without coming up with any new ideas, you would be given the shove. NP was incredibly lucky and the gamble to be fair, is paying off. The chances of pulling off what we have done based on how most of this season has gone was remote. These results are not a miracle and this is not a great escape, it's a vindication of the performances we have been putting in. I have looked to this run of fixtures all season and knew we had a chance because I believe in Nigel and the players and know the squad would not let their heads drop because of the spirit Nigel has instilled within it.
LJS Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Why were we one of the three most likely teams to go down? Because we were newly promoted? The norm is for only one promoted side to be relegated each season and never before has a side winning the Championship with over 100 points been considered a relegation favourite. Where Pearson has proved me wrong is in apparently learning, hopefully in time, from his earlier mistakes. It isn't the first time he has done this. At the end of 12/13 I thought he'd shot his load. He managed to retrieve the season and win a play off place so I conceded that he had done enough to earn another season. I'll gladly do the same in May if we stay up but that doesn't mean we should overlook some of the damaging choices he has made this season. That would be the worst thing to do; we need him to acknowledge these choices and learn from them in the long run. He has once again proven himself capable of learning, but he doesn't half take his time about it. He needs to become more responsive.
Guest Col city fan Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Can't people just enjoy the moment rather than having to do all this again? Just be happy we are winning. No apologies are needed nor 'I told you so's'. Just enjoy it.
lifted*fox Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Can't people just enjoy the moment rather than having to do all this again? Just be happy we are winning. No apologies are needed nor 'I told you so's'. Just enjoy it. Some people clearly can't just enjoy the moment. It would appear their sole reason for existence is to prove they were right and someone else was wrong on FoxesTalk. ****ing pathetic.
shailen Posted 18 April 2015 Posted 18 April 2015 Why were we one of the three most likely teams to go down? Because we were newly promoted? The norm is for only one promoted side to be relegated each season and never before has a side winning the Championship with over 100 points been considered a relegation favourite. Where Pearson has proved me wrong is in apparently learning, hopefully in time, from his earlier mistakes. It isn't the first time he has done this. At the end of 12/13 I thought he'd shot his load. He managed to retrieve the season and win a play off place so I conceded that he had done enough to earn another season. I'll gladly do the same in May if we stay up but that doesn't mean we should overlook some of the damaging choices he has made this season. That would be the worst thing to do; we need him to acknowledge these choices and learn from them in the long run. He has once again proven himself capable of learning, but he doesn't half take his time about it. He needs to become more responsive. The norm is that all the teams, especially teams that haven't featured heavily in the PL are relegation favourites. It doesn't mean that we should just aim to fight relegation. It is good to set our aims high, but we should not be outraged if we are caught in a relegation battle. You're right, the way we demolished the league we should be expecting more than just 17th. The way we have played this season is testament to that. We have played some good football all season, except from that Burnley draw to the Spurs defeat. We should have at least another 10/15 points. That is our inability to convert chances into goals. What can Pearson do about that? I've heard the arguments about we should play 3 in midfield, 2 up front, 5 at the back...etc, but formations aren't going to make us score more goals. The problem has never been the team/formation, it has been the composure we show in the vital moments. Whether it be defensively or offensively. The scary thing is this team, more than any other Leicester team has a real potential to be a force in English football. And I mean we have some real talented players, and all the players have the right attitude. That's another thing people have forgotten. Pearson got rid of some real egos and big names. Mills, Beckford, Danns...etc. Have to admit I was more excited with these signings than when we signed Vardy, but clearly the latter is now becoming one of my all time favourites. It is very easy to blame the manager for things that have gone wrong. Honestly, I just think we have just not had the luck/composure. Players commitment cannot be questioned. The number of clear cut chances we have missed could well have been our downfall Anyway, let's enjoy the way the team is playing atm. Regardless of your thoughts about Pearson, we are all glad Leicester are winning and the way we played today was unreal. Best Performance of the season!
Dan Posted 19 April 2015 Posted 19 April 2015 If Pearson keeps us up from the position we were in after Spurs away then that demonstrates to me that he finally found the winning formula. The cat with nine lives may have just used yet another. He's a learner, a slow one, but one nontheless. If he keeps us up then for me, he stays. He seems to have added quite literally everything that's been missing for the past few months. It's unreal.
Monsell1976 Posted 19 April 2015 Posted 19 April 2015 Im not sure what the problem with season has been, I said at the time and I still believe it now, I'd rather be bottom and playing football, than surviving under a hoofball merchant like pulis. To survive playing football would be even more preferable. you can't see the problem this season, I think the owners sacking him and then reinstating him, suggests they were not happy.If you can't see what the problem was this season, you couldn't have been at the same city games as me and the masses, even the pro Pearson fans. I cannot believe any football fan would want to be bottom most of the season, and relegated, because the football is pretty on the eye. And just to clear it up, as much as the players have given their best, tactics and quality had us bottom so long. This season was always going to be a struggle, I'm not bothered if we win ugly, as long as we stay up, and I'm just glad Pearson has gone to playing to our players strengths, and gave up the cautious approach. Shall we just enjoy the winning feeling again, and just hope we can keep it up
HighPeakFox Posted 19 April 2015 Posted 19 April 2015 I think too much has been made of tactics/wrong players/formations etc. It could just be that huge adjustments needed to be made, in all respects, and huge change doesn't happen fast. The biggest factor, for me, is that there is now a collective sense of belief - something that is more valuable than any tactical nous.
Strokes Posted 19 April 2015 Posted 19 April 2015 you can't see the problem this season, I think the owners sacking him and then reinstating him, suggests they were not happy. If you can't see what the problem was this season, you couldn't have been at the same city games as me and the masses, even the pro Pearson fans. I cannot believe any football fan would want to be bottom most of the season, and relegated, because the football is pretty on the eye. And just to clear it up, as much as the players have given their best, tactics and quality had us bottom so long. This season was always going to be a struggle, I'm not bothered if we win ugly, as long as we stay up, and I'm just glad Pearson has gone to playing to our players strengths, and gave up the cautious approach. Shall we just enjoy the winning feeling again, and just hope we can keep it up That was always my point, 'as long as we stay up' mentality, is the reason we get served up such dross as supporters in England. Its the football, entertainment, heart and desire and atmosphere are the things I enjoy about football, although most of these go alongside successful results. Also I love a relegation battle. We must have seen different things this season, I have enjoyed it as a whole and I stated so before this run. We have earned a lot of plaudits for our displays, attacking intent for quite a big part of the season, so it's not just three games that we are suddenly better, it's the results that are.I totally agree that Pearson can be naive tactically but you can improve and he has shown this. Pearsons philosophy, matches that of mine and i am happy with his performance regardless of whether we stay up or not.
bovril Posted 19 April 2015 Posted 19 April 2015 I've seen too many relegations in my years supporting Leicester, often playing 'good football', scoring 3 but conceding 4, naively chucking away points. I just want them to stay up this year then we can start thinking about establishing ourselves and playing more attractive football. This season has been car crash for long periods, and not only the football side of things. If we somehow, miraculously salvage something from the season then I'll be ecstatic. But we're not a plucky underdog, we're one of the best supported clubs in England and we should be aiming to be more than a yo-yo club playing nice football.
Monsell1976 Posted 19 April 2015 Posted 19 April 2015 That was always my point, 'as long as we stay up' mentality, is the reason we get served up such dross as supporters in England. Its the football, entertainment, heart and desire and atmosphere are the things I enjoy about football, although most of these go alongside successful results. Also I love a relegation battle. We must have seen different things this season, I have enjoyed it as a whole and I stated so before this run. We have earned a lot of plaudits for our displays, attacking intent for quite a big part of the season, so it's not just three games that we are suddenly better, it's the results that are. I totally agree that Pearson can be naive tactically but you can improve and he has shown this. Pearsons philosophy, matches that of mine and i am happy with his performance regardless of whether we stay up or not. Pearson has been naive and cautious, and wether all agree or not, it has took him a long, long time to learn this season.After 10 years out of the top flight, it is important to stay up, as it's hard to get back, and next season is the start of the big money from Sky, so if we stay up we can seriously invest to establish our selfs. So wether people agree or not, at Christmas myself and a lot of others wanted a change, because we want to have a chance to stay up, and Pearson wasn't learning quick enough, defeat after defeat, regardless of how we played. This was the main issue, we just about have good enough players, especially after huth came in, but just needed a bit of managerial experience to get the results. Until the West Ham game, the out look was looking very bleak, Pearson has gone positive, but we will be exposed, but it's great to see him finally waking up to what is required. I'm not a big fan of Pearson, but I follow city, and as long as we achieve what we set out to do this season, I'm happy he's the manager. If we do stay up, I hope we use the summer better, as no matter if we stay up, and it will hopefully be an exciting run in, on the whole it's been a long depressing season, so hopefully next season if we stay up, we can be more consistent.
Guest Col city fan Posted 19 April 2015 Posted 19 April 2015 You can only base a choice or a decision on what is in front of you at the time. Anything else is speculation. Given the choice AT THE TIME (around Christmas), I said I'd have rolled the dice and made a change. We were awful at that point really..especially games like Villa in the FA cup. Now, of course, it's coming good and circumstances have changed. That doesn't mean that THEN, any of us were wrong..we simply made a choice based on how things were then. Fair play though to those who wouldn't have made a change at that point. You gave your reasons and they are coming to fruition. People like Una and others.... Good call lads. However, I see no mileage in saying 'I told you so' either way really. It just seems a bit unnecessary. Just enjoy the moment, believe we can stay up and be happy. Was discussing this last night with my mates...we all agreed that the Prem is the place to be and that, if we stay up, next season could be very different because the Thais, we feel, will really go for it. The present, again, is a happy time to be a City fan.
Strokes Posted 19 April 2015 Posted 19 April 2015 It's not about what decision you would have made at the time, it's about the unfounded abuse one of our most successful managers in recent history had to endure. Some of the shit wrote about him and those that supported him, was discraceful. Our reasons for supporting him, regardless of what happens now, is justified.
Foxhateram Posted 19 April 2015 Posted 19 April 2015 Is it a coincidence that results have improved since Alrbighton has been in the starting line up? To be fair, albrighton has been decent but he hasn't exactly been a linchpin that you can say 'he is the one that changed things'. If your going to pin the successes on anything I would say it is the change of formation. Everyone knows exactly what to do in the 3-4-3/ 4-4-2 formation, we can adapt to either or easily as well. These are the same formations we used last season as well, meaning it's kind of returning to what we know best really. It allows us to press higher up the pitch and the fitness of our players is enough to keep constant pressure on the opposition. Fair play to the whole club for their response in the last few weeks. It has been exceptional.
Guest Col city fan Posted 19 April 2015 Posted 19 April 2015 It's not about what decision you would have made at the time, it's about the unfounded abuse one of our most successful managers in recent history had to endure. Some of the shit wrote about him and those that supported him, was discraceful. Our reasons for supporting him, regardless of what happens now, is justified. Yes I agree...the abuse is not necessary.. In fact, not at all on the forum to be honest (I should know...) However, making a choice at the time is just a choice. In the same way that people shouldn't be knocked for supporting Nige, they also shouldn't be ridiculed for not doing so. Just make your points logically, and pleasantly.
Strokes Posted 19 April 2015 Posted 19 April 2015 I think I have made my points both logical and pleasant. I've not called anyone names but I have said people were wrong to suggest Nigel wouldn't/couldn't learn and make the step up. Nigel has proved before in the face of adversity, he has the character to overcome and he is proving it again. I'm no saint, I wanted him gone two years ago, I was wrong. I'm not seeking people out for recriminations but monsell said he wasn't wrong, I felt obliged to tell him, I believed he was. If you think I'm not being fair, please tell me.
Monsell1976 Posted 19 April 2015 Posted 19 April 2015 I think I have made my points both logical and pleasant. I've not called anyone names but I have said people were wrong to suggest Nigel wouldn't/couldn't learn and make the step up. Nigel has proved before in the face of adversity, he has the character to overcome and he is proving it again. I'm no saint, I wanted him gone two years ago, I was wrong. I'm not seeking people out for recriminations but monsell said he wasn't wrong, I felt obliged to tell him, I believed he was. If you think I'm not being fair, please tell me. You not being fair
The Horse's Mouth Posted 19 April 2015 Posted 19 April 2015 Yes I agree...the abuse is not necessary.. In fact, not at all on the forum to be honest (I should know...) However, making a choice at the time is just a choice. In the same way that people shouldn't be knocked for supporting Nige, they also shouldn't be ridiculed for not doing so. Just make your points logically, and pleasantly. "These Pearsonites are proving to be a dangerous bunch"
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