Claridge Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 Papers represent their readers! Wrong! In the 1930s, the Daily Mail supported the Nazis. Its owner, Lord Rothemere, even paid a visit to Hitler. Are you saying that the majority of Mail readers supported Hitler? Thinking about it, maybe you're right. Seriously, though, papers represent their advertisers, who are normally big corporations-Follow the money. From what you've written, I doubt that you have any clue about what the "real world" is. There was a lot of sympathy in Britain for the Nazis in the 1930s especially from the middle and upper classes who were worried about the threat of communism I don't follow your thread on advertisers, do the Mirror and Guardian not have adverts from big corporations, do left wing people not buy from big corporations?
Buce Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 Shy Tory? Thanks, Bilo, you've removed all doubts from my mind - I intend remaining true to my 'sincerely held beliefs'. Burnhan et al are not the solution, they are part of the problem. It's Corbyn for me. Obviously.
The Doctor Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 Obviously. Yep. Which begs the question - when everyone's a tory, what chance does Jeremy Corbyn stand?
Buce Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 Yep. Which begs the question - when everyone's a tory, what chance does Jeremy Corbyn stand? Would you like to quote me where I've said - or even implied - that?
Guest Bilo Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 Corbyn has got no chance of winning a general election with all of these Tories around About 50% of his own party are Tories and pretty much all of his MPs according to his followers.
Wymsey Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 The contenders are so weak, combined, anyone of them would probably get it and be shit at the job.
bovril Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 The contenders are so weak, combined, anyone of them would probably get it and be shit at the job. It reminds me of Leicester City manager searches circa 2007.
Guest Bilo Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 It reminds me of Leicester City manager searches circa 2007. Only with Bernie as the front runner. Actually, Walshy. He's propa Lestoh and if you don't think he'd be any good, you're a Forest fan.
Buce Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 Only with Bernie as the front runner. Actually, Walshy. He's propa Lestoh and if you don't think he'd be any good, you're a Forest fan. Edgy.
Guest Bilo Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 I have to get a few piss taking posts in. It wouldn't be right if I didn't.
Benji Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 Obviously. Mate just give in and rock your Tory badge.
Frank to be Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 The key phrase being 'a few years ago.' People grow up, change and evolve. I'm a homeowner and professional in my early 30s now, not a wet-behind-the-ears lad in my early 20s. I make no apologies whatsoever for calling this idea for what it is. A very telling post. You're a homeowner and a professional now, and your views have shifted in line with what is now in your best interests. That means stable economic growth, house price rises, public spending and all the crap that the middle ground represents and which maintains the status quo. You really might as well be a tory, because you've given up on the values that labour should be representing in favour of keeping your own life as cosy as possible.
Guest Bilo Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 On a more serious note, this is a really appalling indictment upon the DWP.It shows that there is a human cost to all of these attacks on benefits, one that is already costing lives. There's no getting away from it now, these are figures that need further investigation.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34074557
Buce Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 Mate just give in and rock your Tory badge. Fair enough. I'll just get my butler to make my posts in future.
Guest Bilo Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 A very telling post. You're a homeowner and a professional now, and your views have shifted in line with what is now in your best interests. That means stable economic growth, house price rises, public spending and all the crap that the middle ground represents and which maintains the status quo. You really might as well be a tory, because you've given up on the values that labour should be representing in favour of keeping your own life as cosy as possible. How disappointing you've resorted to smears. Contrary to your rather arbitrary assumptions, if anything I've gone leftwards as I've got older. I've seen what the government is doing to education and vulnerable people in deprived communities first hand, I have an intimate knowledge of these things in my professional life. I want to see vocational education at 14-18 and post 18 to be improved, strengthened and properly funded. That's why I support the idea of not only tuition fees being replaced with a Graduate Tax, but also a UCAS style support network for people seeking apprenticeships after college or Sixth Form. This would help the young people I work with immeasurably, in a community where jobs are often seasonal, low skilled and poorly paid to achieve social mobility, even if they choose not to attend university. I think everyone wants to see the economy growing because that's how jobs are created, people are lifted out of poverty and how progressive policies are put in place. There's nothing wrong with a country generating wealth, so long as it is fairly distributed for the good of all instead of the elite few. I want to see the economy growing and put into housing, education, the NHS and public services such as public transport. If the economy isn't growing, you can't put the money in. I want to see social housing being built and help for young people to get on the property ladder to avoid the rent trap, I was fortunate that I had the opportunity to pay towards a deposit but many young and indeed older people never have that chance. It's not that they can't afford the mortgage, it's the deposit. So what's wrong with helping people out of the rent trap with low or even zero deposit mortgages? There's nothing Tory about my views, but in the zany, binary world of Corbynmania where you're either with the bearded one or a honorary member of the Bullingdon Club, all nuance is lost.
Webbo Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/08/27/known-number-of-deaths-while-claiming-incapacity-benefits-nears-100000/ The Department for Work and Pensions has admitted defeat in its attempt to hide the number of people who have died while claiming incapacity benefits since November 2011 – and has announced that the number who died between January that year and February 2014 is a shocking 91,740. This represents an increase to an average of 99 deaths per day or 692 per week, between the start of December 2011 and the end of February 2014 – compared with 32 deaths per day/222 per week between January and November 2011. On a more serious note, this is a really appalling indictment upon the DWP. It shows that there is a human cost to all of these attacks on benefits, one that is already costing lives. There's no getting away from it now, these are figures that need further investigation. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34074557 Some 2,380 people have died after being found fit for work and losing benefits, Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) figures show. Between December 2011 and February 2014 the equivalent of about 90 people a month died after their Employment and Support Allowance claim was ended. Quite a large disparity in the numbers there.
Guest Bilo Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 One of the figures is for people who've died while claiming, the other is for people who've died after being claimed fit for work.
Webbo Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 One of the figures is for people who've died while claiming, the other is for people who've died after being claimed fit for work. Fair point.
Guest Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 I find it funny that right wing "labour" followers can't handle the fact that labour may have a left wing leader. If this happens surely the answer is that you are no longer labour supporters and you will align yourselves with the party that best represents your views whether that is lib dem or Conservative or someone else. What's the problem there? You don't have to vote Labour because of the name.
Danno Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 On a more serious note, this is a really appalling indictment upon the DWP. It shows that there is a human cost to all of these attacks on benefits, one that is already costing lives. There's no getting away from it now, these are figures that need further investigation. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34074557 Yet you're voting for someone who abstained on the welfare bill which will only lead to more vulnerable people suffering.
Guest Bilo Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 I find it funny that right wing "labour" followers can't handle the fact that labour may have a left wing leader. If this happens surely the answer is that you are no longer labour supporters and you will align yourselves with the party that best represents your views whether that is lib dem or Conservative or someone else. What's the problem there? You don't have to vote Labour because of the name. Labour is not just about 1980s style socialism, and Jeremy Corbyn is not the only candidate espousing Labour values.
Buce Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 I find it funny that right wing "labour" followers can't handle the fact that labour may have a left wing leader. If this happens surely the answer is that you are no longer labour supporters and you will align yourselves with the party that best represents your views whether that is lib dem or Conservative or someone else. What's the problem there? You don't have to vote Labour because of the name. Blimey, FIF, I thought you were dead!
Guest Bilo Posted 27 August 2015 Posted 27 August 2015 Yet you're voting for someone who abstained on the welfare bill which will only lead to more vulnerable people suffering. http://www.danjarvismp.co.uk/news/parliamentary-news/my-vote-to-oppose-the-welfare-reform-work-bill The Welfare Bill was a carefully laid trap by the Tories that included election pledges made by Labour in May, and had the party as a whole voted against it, the Tories would have run rings around the PLP for reneging on policy to score political points. Abstention means it can now be opposed via amendments as the Bill makes its way through Parliament, probably bringing in other opposition parties and a couple of Tory rebels. It's how Parliamentary procedure works.
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