Frank to be Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Question of the 2:00am, Who would you rather have running the nation Tony Blair or Jeremy Corbyn For me, Tony Blair every single day. Not sure why my post says 1am, definitely 2.... Blair was basically David Cameron's dad. If I wanted a tory I'd vote tory. Corbyn all the way.
Webbo Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Corbyn for labour leader. It's time for change. how long have you been at the BBC?
lavrentis Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 If Blair is against you, that is normally a good sign.
Webbo Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 If Blair is against you, that is normally a good sign. Blair is against the Tories too.
lavrentis Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Blair is against the Tories too. He could have fooled me
Benji Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 I think Blair has an ulterior motive. Deep down he clearly wants Corbyn to win, maybe just to prove a point. Either that or he is so far up his own ass he can't realise that one of the biggest selling points about Corbyn is that he isn't Blair. Yet he keeps getting involved: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34100741.
Webbo Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 He could have fooled me Well I wish he'd have let us win those 3 elections, we'd all be better off.
leicsmac Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Well I wish he'd have let us win those 3 elections, we'd all be better off. He sewed up the Tories good, didn't he. And perhaps that was because he appealed to a lot of (former) Tory voters too?
Buce Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Blair is against the Tories too. "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which." George Orwell - 'Animal Farm'.
BlueSi13 Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 I was always a long time Labour voter but shifted to the Conservatives once Miliband began to shift them to the left. I always hoped the recent general election would have taught Labour a valuable lesson but instead it would appear that they are set to miss the point completely. I genuinely feel sorry for those too loyal and too stubborn to jump ship considering what is coming (not necessarily to the Conservatives mind you). How many times does it have to be spelt out? In this country the left. Does. Not. Win. Elections. The last time it happened was in 1974 with Wilson who quickly abandoned most of his harsher policies once he realised his left was absolutely batshit insane and frankly dangerous. Thinking positively Corbyn will ensure the long-term death of left-wing fantasist politics in this country, I can only hope he isn't responsible for the death of the Labour party also, there are some damn fine people in that party that didn't deserve any of this to happen.
BlueSi13 Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Question of the 2:00am, Who would you rather have running the nation Tony Blair or Jeremy Corbyn For me, Tony Blair every single day. Not sure why my post says 1am, definitely 2.... Put the two of them head-to-head against each other in an election and Blair would pound the almighty shit out of Corbyn.
Buce Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Put the two of them head-to-head against each other in an election and Blair would pound the almighty shit out of Corbyn. Well, he's had plenty of practice by pounding Iraq back to the Stone Age in his illegal war. If there is any justice in the world, he'll spend the rest of his life behind bars. I won't hold my breath.
Strokes Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which." George Orwell - 'Animal Farm'. Quite apt for the leadership contest
BlueSi13 Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Well, he's had plenty of practice by pounding Iraq back to the Stone Age in his illegal war. If there is any justice in the world, he'll spend the rest of his life behind bars. I won't hold my breath. No arguments from me, with hindsight Iraq was a monumental mistake. However I believe (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) the majority of Parliament and the wider populace supported military action, the world was a different place leading up to 2003, attitudes were far removed from what they are now. Blaming Blair is convenient, but the story is much bigger than that.
Buce Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 No arguments from me, with hindsight Iraq was a monumental mistake. However I believe (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) the majority of Parliament and the wider populace supported military action, the world was a different place leading up to 2003, attitudes were far removed from what they are now. Blaming Blair is convenient, but the story is much bigger than that. But the support for the invasion was based on a lie; there were no weapons of mass destruction, and Blair knew that. He hoodwinked parliament, he hoodwinked the nation, and he hoodwinked the 'coalition of the willing'. And millions of men, women and children paid - and are still paying - with their lives. He is a war criminal, pure and simple.
Guest Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Blair is against the Tories too. I thought he had the same agenda.
Guest Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Put the two of them head-to-head against each other in an election and Blair would pound the almighty shit out of Corbyn. That would seem to point towards the argument of him being a Tory.
Webbo Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 That would seem to point towards the argument of him being a Tory. Because he'd win the election?
bovril Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 No arguments from me, with hindsight Iraq was a monumental mistake. However I believe (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) the majority of Parliament and the wider populace supported military action, the world was a different place leading up to 2003, attitudes were far removed from what they are now. Blaming Blair is convenient, but the story is much bigger than that. Your memory is very different from mine. I can't remember people being enthusiastic about it at all. But then the nation voted him back in in 2005, which is essentially a ringing endorsement of his crimes.
Rincewind Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 That is what MP's do best. At the time of the Iraq war I was against it but I never knew the details. I am a natural pacifist anyway. There were however people I worked for it and some were Tories. These were the same ones who laughed at the Sun headline ''GOTCHA' during the Falklands. They looked at it as a game and the Iraqs as the villains because they were foreign. I don't know how much Blair knew beforehand but he took the word of the ones reporting back It was mainly American intelligence wasn't it? At the time I thought the evidence wasn't strong enough but Parliament had decided already so did not need much pursuading. It was only left wingers and Liberals that mostly voted against it.
Strokes Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Your memory is very different from mine. I can't remember people being enthusiastic about it at all. But then the nation voted him back in in 2005, which is essentially a ringing endorsement of his crimes. I can hold my head up high, nowt to do with me jack.
Buce Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 I can hold my head up high, Yeah, right - another 3" and you'd be a dwarf!
Strokes Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Yeah, right - another 3" and you'd be a dwarf! I know I said I look up up to you Buce, I didn't mean literally
BlueSi13 Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 Your memory is very different from mine. I can't remember people being enthusiastic about it at all. But then the nation voted him back in in 2005, which is essentially a ringing endorsement of his crimes. Exactly, a whole two years after the war began. He won with a majority of 66 seats also, Cameron has just won with a 12 seat majority Blair was an election-winning machine! (But of course he shouldn't be listened too )
BlueSi13 Posted 30 August 2015 Posted 30 August 2015 That would seem to point towards the argument of him being a Tory. Or maybe he was less of a left-wing nutjob than Corbyn? Do you realise how much damage you're inflicting on your own party with attitudes like that? Do you realise how silly it sounds? As someone else mentioned on here, if a candidate more left-wing than Corbyn rears his/her head, does that make old Jezza a 'tory' too? Laughing stock.
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