Finnegan Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 Some good old fashioned classist shite in this thread then. Talk about working class chip on your shoulder. No but, seriously, defend fox hunting from any ethical point of view. Go on. Look beyond the class rivalry and your entrenched party loyalty for a second and look at what it is. Then tell me why exactly it should continue. Morally. It's not about farmers and livestock, it's not about hunting communities or the livelihoods of horse breeders, it's about maiming an animal for kicks. It's indefensible and I'm yet to see someone argue with any point I've made in this thread, flippant or otherwise. It's easy to mock Guiza and Oz because they're rampant vegan fruitloops. I'm an unashamed pro-hunting carnivore and even I think blood sports are shit. You wouldn't go to a backstreet dog fight and bet on two pitbulls ripping each other to shreds, would you?
ozleicester Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 Haven't you been out burning down racecourses and local businesses in protest yet? Seeing as you class that as acceptable behaviour?
Darkon84 Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 Not entirely sure what you're getting at there, as you actually said you'd burn places down to get your point across, in a previous thread. Anyway This looks to me like Police trying to keep it under control, rather than causing aggression Oh and let's not forget this little beauty either eh? Round of applause for the civilised demonstration there.
David Guiza Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 No but, seriously, defend fox hunting from any ethical point of view. Go on. Look beyond the class rivalry and your entrenched party loyalty for a second and look at what it is. Then tell me why exactly it should continue. Morally. It's not about farmers and livestock, it's not about hunting communities or the livelihoods of horse breeders, it's about maiming an animal for kicks. It's indefensible and I'm yet to see someone argue with any point I've made in this thread, flippant or otherwise. It's easy to mock Guiza and Oz because they're rampant vegan fruitloops. I'm an unashamed pro-hunting carnivore and even I think blood sports are shit. You wouldn't go to a backstreet dog fight and bet on two pitbulls ripping each other to shreds, would you? Haha tar very much! Although i'm not a vegan, but yeah, generally being a veggie does often mean you can't have an opinion on anything regarding an animal without being dismissed as a tree hugging hippie. As for the classist thing - not at all in my opinion. As I mentioned above, I have as much disregard towards the lower class who harm animals, such as dogs, than I do for the upper class. That's nonsense.
Guest MattP Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 What is going on? I don't know how long you've been out the country Oz but if you think the Socialist Worker represents the working class you are about 40 years out of time.
Webbo Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 Or maybe because, generally, those participating in the 'sport' are toffs? Maybe it's just me, but I can't say I know of many people from my background who dress up like a 17th century pimp on a Sunday to rip an animal to pieces. Much the same as it's generally chavs whom abuse their dogs to the point of an attack, but I assume you wouldn't suggest that people didn't actually care about the abuse of the dog, just the chavs? I'd say it was a country sport rather than a toffs sport.
Rincewind Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 The majority of thos on a peaceful protest would be against the defacing of the memorial but if you want to tarnish them with the same brush what better way to do it than to publish this picture.The real reason for the protest than can be swept under the carpet by the ostriches.
Finnegan Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 I'd say it was a country sport rather than a toffs sport. Pretty much the same thing tbh. Look at a map of the electorate. Obviously nothing is that clear cut but if we're making crass assumptions, like.
Guest MattP Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 I'd say it was a country sport rather than a toffs sport. It is, hence the ties it has to things like point to point - it suits the image people have in the urban areas though that it's toffs sport as it suits the argument, one look through this thread and you can see the amount of class warfare boiling on the surface. The hosts of the hunt are rich for obvious reasons, however many people who engage in this are normal people who have just been born into an rural lifestyle rather than a urban one. I have an old friend who loves his hunting but wouldn't entertain the thought of watching boxing as he sees it as barbaric. It's normal to a lot of these people, they don't see it through 'City eyes'.
Guest MattP Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 The majority of thos on a peaceful protest would be against the defacing of the memorial but if you want to tarnish them with the same brush what better way to do it than to publish this picture.The real reason for the protest than can be swept under the carpet by the ostriches. You would have thought one of them would have manage to catch and reprimand him wouldn't you if it was the vast majority against it? I mean it would have took him enough time for a lot of people to notice. Let's not treat these people with such exaggerated respect, it was a couple of hundred nutters on a weekend protesting against the wishes of millions upon millions, this weirdos managed to drag more people out for a celebration of Thatchers death than they did for this. Was nice of them to remind normal, decent people they had made the right decision though.
Finnegan Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 I grew up on a small holding in rural Wales, we killed our own livestock to eat and our dogs kept the foxes off the birds. I then spent near half my life living in Tory stronghold Rothley, about as country Toff as you can get round here (albeit in an ex council terrace near the Lion.) I'm not a city kid born and raised and I don't see the world through urban eyes. But if you think having your dogs rip apart a little fox is less barbaric than two blokes voluntarily punching each other (or blocking and hugging each other these days) you're a ****ing idiot, that simple.
Rincewind Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 What has foxhunting to do with class? It is an activity that hunts down a defenceless animal so as to tear it to bits. Then perform an act of smearing blood to celebrate the kill. As barberous as cock or dog fighting which people have no problem with banning.
Samilktray Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 Mattp always has a friend to back up his argument. I wish I was blessed with such a diverse group of friends.
RonnieTodger Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 It's got nothing to do with class. Couldn't care less if it was the posh twats doing it on horseback, or some scruffy bastard from Braunstone estate chasing it round on his BMX. What matters is what happens to the fox and regardless of who does it, it's disgusting. In fact, the only reason it is defended is because the people that choose to do it are of an upper class.
Guest MattP Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 Mattp always has a friend to back up his argument. I wish I was blessed with such a diverse group of friends. One of the benefits of being into and getting involved in virtually every sport from point to point to boxing. You meet so many different people. Socialising virtually every day helps as well. (Although not so much any more)
Finnegan Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 It's got nothing to do with class. Couldn't care less if it was the posh twats doing it on horseback, or some scruffy bastard from Braunstone estate chasing it round on his BMX. What matters is what happens to the fox and regardless of who does it, it's disgusting. In fact, the only reason it is defended is because the people that choose to do it are of an upper class. Exactly, and that's why class gets dragged in to it. You'd never have the same debate over badger baiting, dog and cock fighting, hare coursing, etc.
Webbo Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 Exactly, and that's why class gets dragged in to it. You'd never have the same debate over badger baiting, dog and cock fighting, hare coursing, etc. From the first post; So as I'm sure most of you know, Mr Cameron wants to repeal the ban on fox hunting, and I'm certain that unlike him, the vast amount of people here are human, with emotions, a sense of morality and pain receptors. Just like the hundreds, perhaps thousands of wild foxes that are soon to be ripped limb from limb by dogs and the upper class on horse back. What you wrote before anyone even tried to defend it. The human right to dress like a posh twat, get on your horse and let your dogs chase a wild animal. Ken being Ken. And the Tory toffs will spend hours on repealing the act while passing other acts in the background which should be known to the public.
Rincewind Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 From the first post; What you wrote before anyone even tried to defend it. Ken being Ken. My post was in response to the comment that Labou spent hours debating to ban it. Are not the Tories doing the same in reverse? You cannot defend one action by one group while being against another for doing the same thing.
Finnegan Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 That isn't challenging what I wrote, Webbo. I'm not saying "THE POSH PEOPLE" brought class in to the argument, I'm saying the argument exists because those with more power, wealth and influence enjoy the sport. Ergo, you can't have the discussion without acknowledging the presence of class. Hence why we still debate fox hunting but not badger baiting. The frivolous, crass, classist abuse is, however, admittedly just being proactive for the sakes of it. (For the record, I felt Ronnie contradicted himself and I didn't agree with his entire post.)
Webbo Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 My post was in response to the comment that Labou spent hours debating to ban it. Are not the Tories doing the same in reverse? You cannot defend one action by one group while being against another for doing the same thing. Tory Toffs? Not classist at all.
Guest MattP Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 My post was in response to the comment that Labou spent hours debating to ban it. Are not the Tories doing the same in reverse? You cannot defend one action by one group while being against another for doing the same thing. "Tory Toffs" Ken, Tory Toffs.
Webbo Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 That isn't challenging what I wrote, Webbo. I'm not saying "THE POSH PEOPLE" brought class in to the argument, I'm saying the argument exists because those with more power, wealth and influence enjoy the sport. Ergo, you can't have the discussion without acknowledging the presence of class. Hence why we still debate fox hunting but not badger baiting. The frivolous, crass, classist abuse is, however, admittedly just being proactive for the sakes of it. (For the record, I felt Ronnie contradicted himself and I didn't agree with his entire post.) I'm not anti Hare coursing either.
Guest MattP Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 Hence why we still debate fox hunting but not badger baiting. Badger baiting was made illegal about 200 years ago, that's why it's not debated now.
Finnegan Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 It's probably the least perverse and unnatural of the blood sports but it's still pretty shit.
Finnegan Posted 12 May 2015 Posted 12 May 2015 Badger baiting was made illegal about 200 years ago, that's why it's not debated now. Yes and fox hunting wasn't because it's enjoyed by a social and political elite. There's literally not an argument there, this is fact.
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