Merging Cultures Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 Of course. At no point in this thread have I said it's the world's greatest evil and I've never been on a counter hunt demonstration and probably never will (**** hanging round with those unwashed, paint throwing, peta beardy weirdy tree hugging types for a start) but as long as it's a debate in here I'll gladly voice how utterly indefensible and retarded fox hunting is.The fact we can debate diverse topics makes FT interesting imo. I like that people have different opinions and experiences. I value your opinion, even if I don't necessarily agree.
Jon the Hat Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 The whole argument is that fox hunting is somehow worse than other types of hunting and should be banned. You might find it distasteful with all the pomp and ceremony around it, but that is irrelevant. Most hunting is done with guns these days, and the animal is usually unaware it is about to be shot until it is. However, once shot the animal can and does escape and run around wounded. For me that is just as bad if not worse than a fox being chased for a few hours before a quick if brutal death. I don't see the difference to other forms of hunting, so I don't see why fox hunting should be singled out. I personally wouldn't want to do any sort of hunting, but I am not interested in telling others what they can and cant do unless I am paying for it.
Finnegan Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 So basically, you're a completely cold hearted, generic libertarian?
Merging Cultures Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 Aw let's hug.I don't like to gloat, but I'm a good hugger.
Finnegan Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 I don't like to gloat, but I'm a good hugger. I can see you being a gentle big spoon.
Webbo Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 I personally wouldn't want to do any sort of hunting, but I am not interested in telling others what they can and cant do unless I am paying for it. 100% this.
cambridgefox Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 The whole argument is that fox hunting is somehow worse than other types of hunting and should be banned. You might find it distasteful with all the pomp and ceremony around it, but that is irrelevant. Most hunting is done with guns these days, and the animal is usually unaware it is about to be shot until it is. However, once shot the animal can and does escape and run around wounded. For me that is just as bad if not worse than a fox being chased for a few hours before a quick if brutal death. I don't see the difference to other forms of hunting, so I don't see why fox hunting should be singled out. I personally wouldn't want to do any sort of hunting, but I am not interested in telling others what they can and cant do unless I am paying for it. if you can't kill cleanly and first time you really shouldn't be using a gun on animals until your skill levels are up to standard.It was years before I shot an air rifle( not for foxes ) at anything other than a target.Yesterday evening the lad and I went down the bottom of my mums garden,leant on the 5 bar gate and shot at targets.Really enjoyed ourselves.My mum might not thank us when she sees the mess we made of the outbuilding door.Probably do 80% more target shooting than at vermin.
Rincewind Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 When I did security one site (scrapyard on Ulverscroft road I think) someone had permission to come in at the weekend and shoot rabbits. Must have been legal I suppose.
cambridgefox Posted 15 May 2015 Posted 15 May 2015 When I did security one site (scrapyard on Ulverscroft road I think) someone had permission to come in at the weekend and shoot rabbits. Must have been legal I suppose.it is legal Ken,but they MUST have permission and be at least 15m from the road or public path.
Rincewind Posted 15 May 2015 Posted 15 May 2015 Think they used air rifles. I stayed in the office when they were there. It was a rubblsh place anyway. The toilets in the yard were disgusting. Better to take a pee amongst the rubbish. Even a dump.
Captain... Posted 15 May 2015 Posted 15 May 2015 The whole argument is that fox hunting is somehow worse than other types of hunting and should be banned. You might find it distasteful with all the pomp and ceremony around it, but that is irrelevant. Most hunting is done with guns these days, and the animal is usually unaware it is about to be shot until it is. However, once shot the animal can and does escape and run around wounded. For me that is just as bad if not worse than a fox being chased for a few hours before a quick if brutal death. I don't see the difference to other forms of hunting, so I don't see why fox hunting should be singled out. I personally wouldn't want to do any sort of hunting, but I am not interested in telling others what they can and cant do unless I am paying for it. But that is not the aim of hunting with a gun, to wound the animal and make it run around in distress is a mistake, unavoidable at times, but it is a mistake. Whereas the aim of fox hunting is to make it run and chase it and you can't use the fact that sometimes animals aren't killed quickly and humanely with a gun to justify fox hunting. There are really only 2 viewpoints with fox hunting: A) It is cruel and barbaric treatment of a living creature B) Don't care it is a small price to pay for human enjoyment If you really don't care about the treatment of animals just say so, don't make flimsy excuses about some hunters are a poor shot, or pest control, just be honest and say it really doesn't bother me that a living animal is chased for hours and ripped to shreds by dogs for no reason other than tradition/enjoyment.
Jon the Hat Posted 15 May 2015 Posted 15 May 2015 And then I can merrily brand you cvnt. I shouldn't think you need to conclude on anything to do that Finners! To be honest, I might well think someone who gets off on the death of the fox to be a ****, but if he wants to be a **** then why should the law stop him?
Captain... Posted 15 May 2015 Posted 15 May 2015 I shouldn't think you need to conclude on anything to do that Finners! To be honest, I might well think someone who gets off on the death of the fox to be a ****, but if he wants to be a **** then why should the law stop him? Because that is basically why we have laws, as protection from cvnts. That can be the protection of people, property, plants, animals, ideas, it will always be a grey area where you draw the line at what level of cvntishness is too much, but most people think fox hunting crosses that line.
Finnegan Posted 15 May 2015 Posted 15 May 2015 If you want to be some sort of anti social nihilist, sure. Otherwise the law should definitely stop people being a ****, as it currently does. People shouldn't be allowed to commit robbery, fraud, assault, harassment, slander, destruction of property and other dick behaviours and the law stops that. If you were to physically beat your dog in the street you'd be subject to the law, rightly, if you were to make two pitbulls fight, likewise. All rightly so. What's the difference between that and having your dogs rip apart a fox for a laugh? I'm all for personal liberties but there is and should be a pretty ****ing obvious common sense line to draw.
Merging Cultures Posted 15 May 2015 Posted 15 May 2015 I shouldn't think you need to conclude on anything to do that Finners! To be honest, I might well think someone who gets off on the death of the fox to be a ****, but if he wants to be a **** then why should the law stop him? Reminds me, has anyone seen Tince since Finners pushed him over the edge?
Finnegan Posted 15 May 2015 Posted 15 May 2015 Reminds me, has anyone seen Tince since Finners pushed him over the edge? that wasn't cuntish it was just tough love... probably. He's incidentally just posted to say he's okay and getting help. I can now sleep at night*. (*as I've done every night since the guy upstairs unplugged his sub.)
Rincewind Posted 15 May 2015 Posted 15 May 2015 Why should we stop them? Yes indeed. Ifsomeone wants to slum around all day smoking pot and drinking letting others pay for his lifestyle why should we stop them?
Merging Cultures Posted 15 May 2015 Posted 15 May 2015 that wasn't cuntish it was just tough love... probably. He's incidentally just posted to say he's okay and getting help. I can now sleep at night*. (*as I've done every night since the guy upstairs unplugged his sub.) It was kinda cvntish!!
Finnegan Posted 15 May 2015 Posted 15 May 2015 They need me on the samaritans hotline tbh. Sometimes people need a hard shove in the right direction. I've spent pretty much my entire life surrounded by mental illness. I'd never claim to be an expert but I reckon I know enough to spot blatant attention seeking when it's that obvious.
Merging Cultures Posted 15 May 2015 Posted 15 May 2015 They need me on the samaritans hotline tbh. Sometimes people need a hard shove in the right direction. I've spent pretty much my entire life surrounded by mental illness. I'd never claim to be an expert but I reckon I know enough to spot blatant attention seeking when it's that obvious. The guy was/is suffering.I'm not saying you are wrong but tough love comes best face to face. I'd imagine it is best to get to know the guys life and issues and then make a judgement call. You kinda went in full bore.
Finnegan Posted 15 May 2015 Posted 15 May 2015 At the risk of derailing the thread again or making this The Finnegan Show, I'd refer you back to the post in question (if you can find it) and state that I stand by everything I said. If you want a discussion on mental health and attention seeking behaviour I'll happily have one with you privately or in a more relevant thread. That said, whilst I'm reasonably candid and open about my history there are certainly some things I wouldn't discuss publicly on FT where I'm sure several people who actually know me read.
MooseBreath Posted 15 May 2015 Posted 15 May 2015 You're lucky you maintain the sympathy of the depression-mafia on here because otherwise you would have been lambasted, and consequently probably banned for that post. As general chat posts go it was a jaw dropper. Having said that I was inclined to agree, which some might see as a damning indictment.
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