Kitchandro Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 Foxes are a nuisance in the countryside. They eat people's livestock. They would be killed anyway, whether it be by gun or snare. Foxhunting creates jobs and it isn't just for the elite. The foxes are dead in a few seconds. We quite rightly save buildings that are part of our heritage, why not save foxhunting which is part of our living heritage? That's called nature.
Carl the Llama Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 Shocking that anyone can defend foxhunting as a 'sport'. Deliberate animal cruelty was outlawed long ago, If you must kill foxes for population purposes, don't chase it across the countryside first, there is absolutely no need for it. If you must dress up like twats on a horse, ain't nobody gonna stop you, just quit being the embodiment of human evil while you're at it.
Captain... Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 And police time as well, more so given the cuts that service is going to face. Too right, lets make all crime legal then we won't have to pay for the police at all... Even if it becomes legal again they still require a police presence because of hunt saboteurs, so that is not a reason to overturn the ban. As much as there were better things to be done at the time than ban it, there are much more important things to be done now than waste time changing the law again.
Rincewind Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 What utter tosh. This law has not worked. It was introduced with malice aforethought, ill-judged and ill-conceived. And just how many foxes were killed by dogs, 1%, 2%, whatever a very minute amount. To my mind if someone wants to uphold a tradition that has been going on for centuries just who were New Labour to attempt to bring it to an end. If these hunts people want to go out and break their neck in pursuit of the uneatable - carry on!! There was no logical argument for banning it. so its wrong for 'champaigne socialsts' to waste time debating it but OK for Tories to waste time to debate it? I was responding like.for like.
Guest MattP Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 Too right, lets make all crime legal then we won't have to pay for the police at all... Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. We can all use silly hyperbole can't we? I mean If the the hunters were muslims gang-raping children, you'd be happy for the police to turn a blind eye then.
Carl the Llama Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. We can all use silly hyperbole can't we? I mean If the the hunters were muslims gang-raping children, you'd be happy for the police to turn a blind eye then. No +1 for that because you're defending barbarism here, but it did make me laugh.
Finnaldo Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 If it's such a waste of Parliametary time, why not just leave it? Funnily enough, I feel it will be the same people who vehemently oppose halal as an Islamic 'cultural evil' (which to be honest I can understand somewhat) that will come out to support this 'showing of our British culture and heritage' Of course you could always dress like the 19th century 'Lord of the Manor' bellend you always wanted to be a strangle a chicken to death instead, surely a lot quicker and easier?
RonnieTodger Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 Heritage is possibly the most pathetic excuse for fox hunting and there are a lot.
Carl the Llama Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 If it's such a waste of Parliametary time, why not just leave it? Funnily enough, I feel it will be the same people who vehemently oppose halal as an Islamic 'cultural evil' (which to be honest I can understand somewhat) that will come out to support this 'showing of our British culture and heritage' Of course you could always dress like the 19th century 'Lord of the Manor' bellend you always wanted to be a strangle a chicken to death instead, surely a lot quicker and easier? I agree, a lack of chicken-choking may well be at the root of this problem in the first place.
ADK Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 What was the logical argument for banning it? It was pretty clear it was just an attack from Blair on the Tory Toffs to please a section of his followers. It hasn't changed anything and it's totally impossible to police anyway. The logical argument is it is deliberate cruelty to animals.
Finnaldo Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 I agree, a lack of chicken-choking may well be at the root of this problem in the first place. And ostriches, the b@stards.
lgfualol Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 It will most likely come back. Cameron's chums need their blood-sport, they wouldn't want to follow normal sport like us peasants.
Mark_w Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 I think it's interesting that you think UKIP winning 3.8 million votes but only one seat is despicable and an affront to democracy, but the Tories repealing a ban that 80% of the people they represent support is fine and dandy. It's disgraceful that the Tories are going to bring back what is an archaic, barbaric blood sport and as far as I'm concerned everyone who voted for them should feel ashamed. Petition signed.
Guest MattP Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 I think it's interesting that you think UKIP winning 3.8 million votes but only one seat is despicable and an affront to democracy, but the Tories repealing a ban that 80% of the people they represent support is fine and dandy. It's disgraceful that the Tories are going to bring back what is an archaic, barbaric blood sport and as far as I'm concerned everyone who voted for them should feel ashamed. Petition signed. That's a ridiculous logic to take, people vote for parties on totally different reasons, to say they should feel ashamed if the Tories do something is just nonsense, it would be like saying all Labour voters should feel ashamed when Tony Blair and his party took us into Iraq and murdering hundreds of thousands of people. For what's worth, I still don't see this happening, it's pointless anyway as it still goes on and it would just cause more harm to the Tories public image if they did repeal it.
Mark_w Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 That's a ridiculous logic to take, people vote for parties on totally different reasons, to say they should feel ashamed if the Tories do something is just nonsense, it would be like saying all Labour voters should feel ashamed when Tony Blair and his party took us into Iraq and murdering hundreds of thousands of people. For what's worth, I still don't see this happening, it's pointless anyway as it still goes on and it would just cause more harm to the Tories public image if they did repeal it. Well no because Tony Blair taking us into Iraq wasn't part of the Labour manifesto. People who voted Conservative presumably knew they were voting for this, or just didn't care, either way I think they should feel ashamed.
Guest MattP Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 So as I'm sure most of you know, Mr Cameron wants to repeal the ban on fox hunting, and I'm certain that unlike him, the vast amount of people here are human, with emotions, a sense of morality and pain receptors. Just like the hundreds, perhaps thousands of wild foxes that are soon to be ripped limb from limb by dogs and the upper class on horse back. I'm not looking for a debate on your (or my) political stance. It's totally irrelevant, and a personal perogative, which shouldn't be a factor in your (hopeful) signing of this petition, opposing the repealing of the ban. I understand that they go through our bins and shit in the front garden, but the 'sport' of fox hunting is inhumane, and nothing deserves to have its life ended in such a way. I'm no activist, but I do know when something sickens me to the stomach, so please take two minutes to help the cause! I don't think we really need a debate on your political stance do we? You pretty much told is where it is in the first two sentences.
Guest MattP Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 Well no because Tony Blair taking us into Iraq wasn't part of the Labour manifesto. People who voted Conservative presumably knew they were voting for this, or just didn't care, either way I think they should feel ashamed. It was a commitment to a free vote actually in the manifesto, not a pledge to repeal the ban and given there are 50 odd Tory MP's who support the ban they don't have a chance of getting this through the house with a majority as small as it is and Cameron ceertainly isn't going to start rocking the boat with his backbenchers so early in this parliament, either way I doubt anyone is going to seriously stand back and be prepared to watch Labour and the SNP bugger the country up the arse purely on the basis a few vermin are going to get hurt. As has been mentioned by a few others, of all the animal rights problems we have in this country, fox hunting is well down the list but stop worrying anyway, it's not going to be legalised.
Captain... Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. We can all use silly hyperbole can't we? I mean If the the hunters were muslims gang-raping children, you'd be happy for the police to turn a blind eye then. Nah that's you being a tw@, it is not a valid argument to legalise something because policing it is a drain on resources, and that was what you were saying, it is a ridiculous argument and so got a ridiculous response. As I also said legalising will cause as much work for the police if not more with hunt saboteurs actually endangering people's lives.
ADK Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 I don't think it will be legalised either, but no harm in making our feelings clear.
FoxCal Posted 11 May 2015 Author Posted 11 May 2015 I don't think we really need a debate on your political stance do we? You pretty much told is where it is in the first two sentences. Fair. I probably should have gone about that differently. For the record, it was more of an attack on him as an individual and the people involved with fox hunting as opposed to the Conservative party as a whole. Admittedly, I worded it harshly and generalised, so apologies.
Stadt Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 I feel indifferent towards it, I'm not offended by the idea of it but it seems pretty shit as a 'sport'.
The Blur Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 Foxes are a nuisance in the countryside. They eat people's livestock. They would be killed anyway, whether it be by gun or snare. Foxhunting creates jobs and it isn't just for the elite. The foxes are dead in a few seconds. We quite rightly save buildings that are part of our heritage, why not save foxhunting which is part of our living heritage? If foxes are really that much of a nuisance then why not kill them in a much more humane and painless way? What really make my blood boil is that Cameron is not doing this for good of the country but to appease his pals. At least with welfare cuts, you can see the logic of it even if it is unethical but with fox hunting pfffft. It is also laughable how desperate Tories supporters are to casually brush it off just because they do not want Tories to look bad.
Voll Blau Posted 11 May 2015 Posted 11 May 2015 Although I think they're beautiful creatures, foxes are a pest. Farmers have a right to defend their animals from them, but it's a pretty flimsy excuse for letting this barbaric practice take place. There are more humane ways of dealing with the fox population.
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