Rincewind Posted 13 May 2015 Posted 13 May 2015 Nope. You're miles off there, but the thread's already been derailed once (partially by myself), so I won't go in to it and take us off at a tangent again. Read it again and try to work it out. Tongue in cheek? have you heard of it?
Darkon84 Posted 13 May 2015 Posted 13 May 2015 Tongue in cheek? have you heard of it? Easy to claim it in hindsight after you realised you've made a mistake, but it's ok, we all do it.
Rincewind Posted 13 May 2015 Posted 13 May 2015 I was agreeing with the posts relating to the two things being linked. If a secondary action becomes more important than a first one it devalues the meaning and impact thus in this case the barbaric sport of fox hunting.
Rincewind Posted 13 May 2015 Posted 13 May 2015 Red jacket wankers I suppose that's an improvement to the previous description of them.
Rincewind Posted 13 May 2015 Posted 13 May 2015 I defend them but he probably had that fox from a cub. There have been lions who grew up with man and still returned when released in to the wild. Foxes are natually wild in their own habitat.
ozleicester Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 wow!... why so personal? This is about the cruel inhumane treatment of innocent foxes My dislike of the tories?... i assume refers to my (quite obviously) tongue in cheek comment about chasing tories on a moped and tasering them. Granted it might not be outrageously funny, (or even mildly amusing for that matter) but if you think that means a dislike of all tories perhaps you need to broaden your mind not everyone assumes that all people are the same. In regard to the rioting, i said that i understood it, and could imagine that if i were one of the voiceless and systemically abused it might be a course of action i would take. As for the "statue abuse" Too many people have been suckered to believing that the stone is the important thing. No, it is a memorial, it might be a place to come together and remember, but it isnt the people, it isnt living, breathing and capable of feeling pain, (unlike the foxes) the faux outrage, which is usually forgotten within a day is just media fodder used to keeping the drooling masses fed. To question my respect of the ANZAC's Oh and Im.... "something different". Thank you.
Merging Cultures Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 It's not about farmers and livestock, it's not about hunting communities or the livelihoods of horse breeders, it's about maiming an animal for kicks. It is about rural livelihoods etc. And definitely not about maiming an animal. They aim to kill the animal. Maiming implies the animal is left wounded and in pain. Which may happen on occasion, but is not what the hunt is about.
Merging Cultures Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 Exactly, and that's why class gets dragged in to it. You'd never have the same debate over badger baiting, dog and cock fighting, hare coursing, etc.You probably would see the same arguments. Badger baiting and hare coursing are two things that are also supposed to remove nuisance animals from rural areas. Similar to fox hunting, sans the dressing up. Dog and cock fighting have nothing to do with pest control, and the animals are subject to abuse for a long time before and after the fights. At least with dogs, from what I've read and watched, I don't know anything about cock fighting. Regarding the class debate, the first two require land, the last two rely on a steady supply of relatively cheap animals. There is the class divide.
Finnegan Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 It's got **** all to do with pest control, you want to cull an over populated or invasive species (ie play god) then you do it with traps, guns or poison. Blood sports are for kicks, sick kicks, end of.
yorkie1999 Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 Anyone that hates foxes needs to watch this Cool, where can i get one?
cambridgefox Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 Anyone that hates foxes needs to watch this i don't need to watch it,I can see from the still that snide bstard fox has pinned that vulnerable old man down and about to rip his throat out.
The Doctor Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 You probably would see the same arguments. Badger baiting and hare coursing are two things that are also supposed to remove nuisance animals from rural areas. Similar to fox hunting, sans the dressing up. Dog and cock fighting have nothing to do with pest control, and the animals are subject to abuse for a long time before and after the fights. At least with dogs, from what I've read and watched, I don't know anything about cock fighting. Regarding the class debate, the first two require land, the last two rely on a steady supply of relatively cheap animals. There is the class divide. It's not pest control though - it's unnecessarily cruel for simple control, and is woefully inefficient - you want to control pests, use poison or traps, kill quickly. Subjecting it to hours of torment before ripping it limb from limb isn't pest control, it's barbaric
Merging Cultures Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 It's not pest control though - it's unnecessarily cruel for simple control, and is woefully inefficient - you want to control pests, use poison or traps, kill quickly. Subjecting it to hours of torment before ripping it limb from limb isn't pest control, it's barbaricAs has been said before, poison and traps will affect other animals too.However, I'm probably not as for it as I seem. If the animal is dispatched quickly, I don't see an issue. If it is mauled by the dogs and killed slowly, then I have an issue. Which I suspect a number of fox hunters would agree with too.
Finnegan Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 Like I said, I highly dispute the need to curb their numbers anyway but if you need a cull the most efficient way is not to spend hours chasing one fox with a shitload of dogs and horses. One ranger with a shotgun and a sniffer dog should do.
The Doctor Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 As has been said before, poison and traps will affect other animals too. However, I'm probably not as for it as I seem. If the animal is dispatched quickly, I don't see an issue. If it is mauled by the dogs and killed slowly, then I have an issue. Which I suspect a number of fox hunters would agree with too. So you use humane traps and release those that don't need to be culled, or use targeted poisons that specifically affect foxes (such as chocolate - it'll harm dogs too, but are they likely to eat it?) It's not just how quickly it's killed once captured, the hunt tortures it as well, it's taken out of its environment and scared out of its wits, chased around for hours before it's killed. The entire procedure is unnecessarily cruel, not just how it's dispatched once the hunt ends.
Merging Cultures Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 Like I said, I highly dispute the need to curb their numbers anyway but if you need a cull the most efficient way is not to spend hours chasing one fox with a shitload of dogs and horses. One ranger with a shotgun and a sniffer dog should do. The need and efficiency argumens could go hand in hand. The fact it isn't efficient doesn't wipe them out, yet keeps their numbers manageable. Perhaps.
The Doctor Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 The need and efficiency argumens could go hand in hand. The fact it isn't efficient doesn't wipe them out, yet keeps their numbers manageable. Perhaps. But you can achieve small amounts of culling without needing to torture the animals. Say you need to kill 50. Set 50 traps, once one has caught one, unset the trap. Or, if you go for one man and a shotgun, just kill the number needed.
Merging Cultures Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 But you can achieve small amounts of culling without needing to torture the animals. Say you need to kill 50. Set 50 traps, once one has caught one, unset the trap. Or, if you go for one man and a shotgun, just kill the number needed.Isn't trapping animals, probably for hours, also distressing for the animal?Why just send one guy out? Why not hang out with your mates, take your horses and dogs out for some exercise too? And create some local jobs too. I'd imagine it is a bit boring stalking animals alone.
Finnegan Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 Isn't trapping animals, probably for hours, also distressing for the animal? Why just send one guy out? Why not hang out with your mates, take your horses and dogs out for some exercise too? And create some local jobs too. I'd imagine it is a bit boring stalking animals alone. Sorry, Bmore, I can't help but feel you're just playing devil's advocate here for the sakes of it. These arguments are tenuous at best. As I've said a few times before, I'm not anti hunting. I have no issue with you hunting game on the planes if you're not hunting anything endangered, you're eating what you kill and you're killing humanely as possible. But these fox hunting arguments are a hit daft. It's irrelevant if hunting alone is "a bit boring" if it's your job. It's either an event on the social calendar or its an actual cull and we're doing it for practical reasons. If it's the latter, we can leave the horses and dogs at home and do it in a sensible manner. If it's the former, refer to the countless arguments in the thread.
Merging Cultures Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 Sorry, Bmore, I can't help but feel you're just playing devil's advocate here for the sakes of it. These arguments are tenuous at best. You're probably right. I have the day off today, my wife is sitting next to me working, the kids are playing outside, and I'm pretty bored! Having said that, I'm just not really opposed to it. There are worse things happening in the world that the 'antis' should be focusing on. And if I was less bored today, I'd be doing the same!
Finnegan Posted 14 May 2015 Posted 14 May 2015 Of course. At no point in this thread have I said it's the world's greatest evil and I've never been on a counter hunt demonstration and probably never will (**** hanging round with those unwashed, paint throwing, peta beardy weirdy tree hugging types for a start) but as long as it's a debate in here I'll gladly voice how utterly indefensible and retarded fox hunting is.
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