Fans should now learn, not to be lazy and diss the manager or players too early.

[fuchsntf]

1ST Ferguson, then our own MON before Football forums, there after Pardew, Bruce, our own

Nigel Pearson.

Before end of October every single city player went through, dire over the top, stupid spitefull

criticism.I can understand youthfull inexperience posters, but have been suprised, that damn

good experienced posters went down this line, of poor in my view spitefull posts.Not giving or allowing for time, team building, individuall finding their feet, and not understanding our 1st 6-12 games, though not spoken about from Pearson, that our previous season BBone players, were not

yet ready and upto it, not forgetting it takes time to find rythm again, not forgetting the new promoted level. Before players even had a kick, they were taken down....Hammond, King, RDL for example.

The team set up, of course a manager doesnt know his best format, or players, when 3-4 players

have knocks, and new players must bed in.

In my mind too many bloody clever dicks, got on the negative band wagon too early. Opinions, banter, is not the problem, its the expression and the way it is done.

Just a suggestion, give the players, especially new ones (and Kramaric) the Manager the 1st

month or 2 before one dives down their throats.Even I say give it till October and see which players

have consistently played upto then.

Formations, I hope every PL manager doesnt keep to the same tactics, flexabilities, changes in

plans a-d are a must, patience when things just dont work.We are still new at this level, dont forget.

Last request, dont flip out , if the summer transfer market doesnt bring, the dream or hopefull

changes.Support the players who do put on the blue shirt, anf ffs give them some chance.

Hey it took us 9 months, to get it right this season, lets hope its only 6 next season.

[foxfanazer]

It will never change I'm afraid

[lifted*fox]

One of the best things to come from this IMO, is the fact that we can proudly say we stuck with a struggling manager. Kept faith in his ability to pull a team together and build relationships.

 

Nigel has been building for the long term. He trusted his players to prove themselves this season and it eventually paid off - with a couple of additions.

 

We haven't made our club look rash or thoughtless by panicking and changing manager when many other clubs would have. 

 

We did things the right way - got behind the manager (in most instances), got behind the players and supported the team through thick and thin - much to the admiration of fellow supporters, pundits, managers and players. 

 

That can't be underestimated these days and I think it's something that we can be really proud of. 

[fuchsntf]

One of the best things to come from this IMO, is the fact that we can proudly say we stuck with a struggling manager. Kept faith in his ability to pull a team together and build relationships.

 

Nigel has been building for the long term. He trusted his players to prove themselves this season and it eventually paid off - with a couple of additions.

 

We haven't made our club look rash or thoughtless by panicking and changing manager when many other clubs would have. 

 

We did things the right way - got behind the manager (in most instances), got behind the players and supported the team through thick and thin - much to the admiration of fellow supports, pundits, managers and players. 

 

That can't be underestimated these days and I think it's something that we can be really proud of.

Yes...Agree totally its been positive seeing all forum fans pulling on the same string, in this fabulous run in.

[jonathan_ross]

Don't you just love hindsight!

[Strokes]

Don't you just love hindsight!

The thread title suggests its foresight that's up for debate......will they now give him time if we have another rough patch?

[Monsell1976]

Believe it or not, most of us that called him, wanted the best for the club, which at the time, he looked well out of his depth, and his behaviour got more and more strange.

It took title winning form to get out of the shit, and that sort of escape is probably a one off, but credit to him, for changing his mentality, and changing the players that fans cried out for.

Pearson is stubborn, but he learnt in time.

Let's not twist what those who criticised him was saying, in those long dark months, and repeative tinkering, and formation changes, we all expected a tough season, but not as bad as it was, and we looked dead and buried, Pearson deserved the negative response, but to put that run together that he did, he deserves the praise, still don't know how we did it but glad we did.

Hopefully next season we can be more consistent, and have a little bit more comfortable survival.

Credit to one of the owners for holding their nerve, but Pearson needs to learn to handle himself in the press, as his behaviour this season hasn't been great, and the pressure will be even more intense next season, as expectations will be higher, as we will be expected to stay up, above the promoted sides, which I think is a fair expectation, and hopefully a progression to becoming established in this league.

[Bettsj2]

Believe it or not, most of us that called him, wanted the best for the club, which at the time, he looked well out of his depth, and his behaviour got more and more strange.

It took title winning form to get out of the shit, and that sort of escape is probably a one off, but credit to him, for changing his mentality, and changing the players that fans cried out for.

Pearson is stubborn, but he learnt in time.

Let's not twist what those who criticised him was saying, in those long dark months, and repeative tinkering, and formation changes, we all expected a tough season, but not as bad as it was, and we looked dead and buried, Pearson deserved the negative response, but to put that run together that he did, he deserves the praise, still don't know how we did it but glad we did.

Hopefully next season we can be more consistent, and have a little bit more comfortable survival.

Credit to one of the owners for holding their nerve, but Pearson needs to learn to handle himself in the press, as his behaviour this season hasn't been great, and the pressure will be even more intense next season, as expectations will be higher, as we will be expected to stay up, above the promoted sides, which I think is a fair expectation, and hopefully a progression to becoming established in this league.

Good post.

Bournemouth and Watford will surely struggle for different reasons. Middlesborough (if they go up) I can see doing ok but if Newcastle scrape survival, I think they will be down there again, same with Sunderland.

[Webbo]

Can you imagine how awful it would have been if we'd been relegated and all the haters started threads saying I told you so?

 

We've stayed via a minor miracle, it could quite easily have gone the other way. All this crowing is getting a bit tiresome.

[Oxfordfox83]

Believe it or not, most of us that called him, wanted the best for the club, which at the time, he looked well out of his depth, and his behaviour got more and more strange.

It took title winning form to get out of the shit, and that sort of escape is probably a one off, but credit to him, for changing his mentality, and changing the players that fans cried out for.

Pearson is stubborn, but he learnt in time.

Let's not twist what those who criticised him was saying, in those long dark months, and repeative tinkering, and formation changes, we all expected a tough season, but not as bad as it was, and we looked dead and buried, Pearson deserved the negative response, but to put that run together that he did, he deserves the praise, still don't know how we did it but glad we did.

Hopefully next season we can be more consistent, and have a little bit more comfortable survival.

Credit to one of the owners for holding their nerve, but Pearson needs to learn to handle himself in the press, as his behaviour this season hasn't been great, and the pressure will be even more intense next season, as expectations will be higher, as we will be expected to stay up, above the promoted sides, which I think is a fair expectation, and hopefully a progression to becoming established in this league.

The reason the negative posters are getting such a thoroughly deserved kicking at the moment is because of the way they chose to express their frustrations, which was vicious bile-filled hatred, with similar treatment being dished out to the few posters who argued for a bit of perspective.

No one could have argued with posters during the really uninspired games (Swansea, Hull, Villa) if they'd criticised the team and the performance, said NP should be sacked and argued the points respectful of what we had already achieved. What we got instead was "NP is a disgrace to the club, never achieved anything for us, should have been sacked during the Man U game, all our players are individually and collectively shit, lazy, embarrassing, etc." The same posters were equally arrogant, obnoxious and thick in their criticism of those who, if nothing else, acknowledged what the club has achieved since NP's first tenure.

In conclusion, there's nothing wrong with being critical, but try not be such massive bellends about it in future (we will have shit runs of form again). There's just no need.

[Oxfordfox83]

Can you imagine how awful it would have been if we'd been relegated and all the haters started threads saying I told you so?

We've stayed via a minor miracle, it could quite easily have gone the other way. All this crowing is getting a bit tiresome.

They were doing that midseason mate, you must not have noticed. Anyway, had we been relegated I'd have been much more pissed off about that than the words of a few bellends on FT, so it really wouldn't have mattered...

[Webbo]

They were doing that midseason mate, you must not have noticed. Anyway, had we been relegated I'd have been much more pissed off about that than the words of a few bellends on FT, so it really wouldn't have mattered...

And everybody hated them for it. Can't we just move on?

[Guest]

The fans should also learn that making a noise throughout the game is very beneficial to the team. And I'm sure they enjoyed the atmosphere more themselves.

 

Thanks to the noisyfans for our survival.

[jonlcfc1990]

Unfortunately this is the attitude of the modern day fan. Supporters don't criticise, supporters don't leave. We may be quieter than the moaners but supporters only open their mouths to cheer. It's so obvious that the idiots who wanted Pearson out won't ever admit they were wrong. I just hope the supporters now realise that without us being as loud as the deserting voices then we may end up losing players or even one of the greatest managers I've seen at Leicester in my life (24)

One of the most pitiful displays I saw and witnessed this season was villa away in the cup. 6000 we took? We should have out sang and embarrassed that home support. Instead? "Fans" around me hurled racist abuse at Schlupp, Morgan and horrible words used towards Nigel. I hoped that day that they never heard any of it as I doubt they'd have put on a blue shirt again. If you're going to go to a match and say that about your own players then you're nothing but a disgrace. Plain and simple. Don't sit and moan, stand and support.

[ImBlue]

Idiotic childish post.

[inckley fox]

Come on, if you booed at the ground or chanted for Pearson to be sacked - as some did - then maybe you're feeling a bit sheepish now, but are people really arguing that everybody needs to maintain the same, uniform, upbeat opinion until we're absolutely sure that we're in the right? We're not football managers, we're fans, and any forum depends on a range of opinions. Just because people question a player, or the manager, doesn't mean the fabric of the universe will come undone. 

 

There are posters on here - myself included - who doubted Pearson at one stage. Understandably so - that's what makes our survival so astounding; the fact that we appeared to have failed miserably and then we spectacularly saved ourselves in totally unprecedented fashion.

 

But I don't see why anyone who got behind the side consistently at the stadium needs to feel embarrassed for doubting Pearson on a forum. Others - including many of his fans - questioned, criticised or dismissed Schlupp, Albrighton, Ulloa, Schmeichel, Wasilewski, Nugent, Vardy at stages of the season. Others felt Knockaert, Moore, Hammond were far more important than they were. These people were wrong, should they learn to shut up in future too? I don't see that you have to apologise for being wrong in a conversation you had in the past about the team.

 

The key, obviously, is to admit that you were wrong. I thought, back in February and March, that my consistent backing for Pearson, uninterrupted from November 2011 to February 2015, was no longer right. And that, right now, appears to have been wrong. I didn't think Nugent or Schmeichel were up to it, and that was wrong too. On other things I will have been right, but that's the nature of amateurs having a discussion about the team. Our fans have been key to our recovery, so there's no need for us to go to war among ourselves all over again about this. 

 

At times in our past it's been right to back a manager - O'Neill in March 1996 and Pearson in 2012 / 2013 / 2015. At other times it's been the wrong thing to do - Taylor in summer 2001, Adams in summer 2004, Holloway in early 2008, Sven in late 2011 etc. I've been wrong many times over the year, I liked Levein, I thought Joe Hammill had potential, I thought Joachim was the next Pele, McGhee the next Ferguson. There are no rules to be set in stone on backing managers or players, and thank god the club's future doesn't depend on our judgement.

 

The only thing that doesn't really make sense is, when proven right, to make such a big thing being proven right, as if that takes precedence over the joy at Leicester actually staying up. Why? Because we're all wrong sometimes, that's part of the fun. So long as we're all respectful in our opinions and can acknowledge when we've been wrong which, let's face it, is a lot of the time, I don't see any need for recriminations or apologies.

[inckley fox]

The reason the negative posters are getting such a thoroughly deserved kicking at the moment is because of the way they chose to express their frustrations, which was vicious bile-filled hatred, with similar treatment being dished out to the few posters who argued for a bit of perspective.

No one could have argued with posters during the really uninspired games (Swansea, Hull, Villa) if they'd criticised the team and the performance, said NP should be sacked and argued the points respectful of what we had already achieved. What we got instead was "NP is a disgrace to the club, never achieved anything for us, should have been sacked during the Man U game, all our players are individually and collectively shit, lazy, embarrassing, etc." The same posters were equally arrogant, obnoxious and thick in their criticism of those who, if nothing else, acknowledged what the club has achieved since NP's first tenure.

In conclusion, there's nothing wrong with being critical, but try not be such massive bellends about it in future (we will have shit runs of form again). There's just no need.

 

Oh okay, I see what you're saying. I don't think most people who doubted Pearson back in March were 'vicious' and 'bile-filled' though. And it's worth pointing out that many of the arguments in favour of Pearson were a bit daft too - e.g. 'blame the players, not him' / 'we're simply not good enough' / 'Robinson is to blame' / 'I want Pearson no matter what happens' etc.

 

People got a little hot under the collar on both sides of the argument, but others remained respectful and backed the side at the ground through thick and thin, regardless of their views. Of course, among those people, posters who never flinched in their belief will feel rightly vindicated right now, and I'm chuffed to bits that you've been vindicated.

 

So long as we remember to be respectful, and that we're all wrong sometimes (I saw a post yesterday by someone who has slated Schlupp, Albrighton, Schmeichel, Ulloa repeatedly, but was positively crowing that they were right about Pearson!) I don't see anything wrong with that. I mean, I've spent two decades feeling vindicated by my stance regarding O'Neill in March 1996, why shouldn't people feel pretty pleased if they never stopped believing in Pearson?

[desertfox2]

I was always for giving pearson the whole season but can't see what the point is of now having a go or trying to belittle anyone that said pearson out. It's a forum and if everyone had the same opinion it would be incredibly boring. Football will always bring out annoyance/frustration when we lose if you support the club. Some people will express it by saying manager our or a certain player is useless, just the way it is. If fans didn't get upset after such a bad run we would have a problem. The best players/managers can take criticism and go out and perform and turn it around. Poor players or ones that dont have a winning mentality, will try and hide. How would anyone be able to step up to take a penalty for example in a cup final in the last minute if they can't take criticism. Constructive criticism can be a good thing

[Monsell1976]

The reason the negative posters are getting such a thoroughly deserved kicking at the moment is because of the way they chose to express their frustrations, which was vicious bile-filled hatred, with similar treatment being dished out to the few posters who argued for a bit of perspective.

No one could have argued with posters during the really uninspired games (Swansea, Hull, Villa) if they'd criticised the team and the performance, said NP should be sacked and argued the points respectful of what we had already achieved. What we got instead was "NP is a disgrace to the club, never achieved anything for us, should have been sacked during the Man U game, all our players are individually and collectively shit, lazy, embarrassing, etc." The same posters were equally arrogant, obnoxious and thick in their criticism of those who, if nothing else, acknowledged what the club has achieved since NP's first tenure.

In conclusion, there's nothing wrong with being critical, but try not be such massive bellends about it in future (we will have shit runs of form again). There's just no need.

These post you describe, I cannot remember seeing, but I am not saying they didn't, but I don't read every post, but I would guess, after what I have read, these are from one or two posters.

What I have posted and those many, many at the time, was constructive criticism, and at the time, we were dead and buried, Pearson looked lost at how to turn it around, and even the most harden Pearson supporter, was struggling to see a positive out come.

We pulled off an amazing last 7 games, which may never be repeated, well done Pearson and the boys, but it could very easily have gone the other way.

If it had would all those that backed him, which is laughable that the majority are saying they did, would they have come on and said, Pearson had a shocker, doubt it.

The fact is, the results started ok, and then prior to the last 7 games, were shocking, and some of the decisions, selections and mentality was brought into question, and Pearson has to take that criticism as it was deserved, no excuses, it was hard to take, even though we expected a relegation battle.

Thankfully we decided to join the relegation battle 7 games ago, and luckily the sides around us, hadn't been good enough to put us to far adrift.

All this said Pearson and the players deserve a lot of credit and praise, when they achieve that great escape.

So they also deserve the criticism when we are bad, but foxes talk being the way it is, we should be sorry for doubting his ability, even though we were in a shocking run of form, and the silly posts of a very, very small minority of abusive posters, Tars all that was critical with the same brush.

[LanguedocFox]

The sad fact is that there are some quite regular posters on this forum (you know who you are) who hate Pearson and have done ever since we lost against Cardiff. If you can be ar$ed to search, you can find them saying things along the lines of "I've been saying for the past two seasons that Pearson has taken as far as he can, and it's time for a change" or "Pearson is clueless about players and tactics, get rid." Nothing, not even the past month or so, is ever going to change their mind. Sad fvckers. 

[inckley fox]

Unfortunately this is the attitude of the modern day fan. Supporters don't criticise, supporters don't leave. We may be quieter than the moaners but supporters only open their mouths to cheer. It's so obvious that the idiots who wanted Pearson out won't ever admit they were wrong. I just hope the supporters now realise that without us being as loud as the deserting voices then we may end up losing players or even one of the greatest managers I've seen at Leicester in my life (24)

One of the most pitiful displays I saw and witnessed this season was villa away in the cup. 6000 we took? We should have out sang and embarrassed that home support. Instead? "Fans" around me hurled racist abuse at Schlupp, Morgan and horrible words used towards Nigel. I hoped that day that they never heard any of it as I doubt they'd have put on a blue shirt again. If you're going to go to a match and say that about your own players then you're nothing but a disgrace. Plain and simple. Don't sit and moan, stand and support.

 

Supporting someone or something and criticising someone or something aren't mutually exclusive. You are allowed to have an opinion, and a critical one. You are confusing a handful of racist bigots with people who formed sensible critical opinions and who still managed to get behind their team. And it's important that people keep having opinions, and that some of these are critical.

 

Yesterday on the TV I saw a pundit saying that the great strength of Pearson has been his adaptability and, in spite of appearances, willingness to listen. Glancing back on forums from October-March, I've seen a wealth of people saying that we needed to play Albrighton, that Schlupp is a wing back, that we should play 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 to dominate the centre of the park, that Vardy will come good again, that King could show himself to be PL class, that Simpson / De Laet / Konchesky weren't up to standard, that Wasilewski needed recalling, that we needed to settle the side - all of these were suggestions and criticisms and, while I doubt Pearson got them from anyone on here, we'd be a much weaker forum if we didn't have this sort of diversity of opinion and criticism.

 

But yes, I agree that people should 'stand and support'. I'll never forget McGhee saying that he'd rather people make noise, any noise, even if it's critical, than sit in silence. Well, obviously it's much better if people are positive. And to be fair, I think our fans were among the most positive in this division this season.

[MPH]

Believe it or not, most of us that called him, wanted the best for the club, which at the time, he looked well out of his depth, and his behaviour got more and more strange.

It took title winning form to get out of the shit, and that sort of escape is probably a one off, but credit to him, for changing his mentality, and changing the players that fans cried out for.

Pearson is stubborn, but he learnt in time.

Let's not twist what those who criticised him was saying, in those long dark months, and repeative tinkering, and formation changes, we all expected a tough season, but not as bad as it was, and we looked dead and buried, Pearson deserved the negative response, but to put that run together that he did, he deserves the praise, still don't know how we did it but glad we did.

Hopefully next season we can be more consistent, and have a little bit more comfortable survival.

Credit to one of the owners for holding their nerve, but Pearson needs to learn to handle himself in the press, as his behaviour this season hasn't been great, and the pressure will be even more intense next season, as expectations will be higher, as we will be expected to stay up, above the promoted sides, which I think is a fair expectation, and hopefully a progression to becoming established in this league.

I never called for his head but I'll be fair to say he probably WAS out of his depth. Yet there were some absolute ****** on here who went OTT. It was embarrassing to watch them on here...

But Nigel learnt and learnt well. He always does. I'm excited for next season.

[inckley fox]

The sad fact is that there are some quite regular posters on this forum (you know who you are) who hate Pearson and have done ever since we lost against Cardiff. If you can be ar$ed to search, you can find them saying things along the lines of "I've been saying for the past two seasons that Pearson has taken as far as he can, and it's time for a change" or "Pearson is clueless about players and tactics, get rid." Nothing, not even the past month or so, is ever going to change their mind. Sad fvckers. 

 

That's obviously really sad. To hear people saying 'we're in this position because of Pearson in the first place' is an especially amusing one, when it's expressed negatively. I mean, yes, you're right... we were in the third tier when he took over and we're on course for a good first season finish regardless of the manner in which it was achieved.

 

Ultimately the facts speak volume and, even if we go down miserably next year under Pearson, nothing will change the great things he's done and now - this season - he's achieved something which places him among another category of manager, that which has kept us in the top flight and entertained us in the top flight, like Hodge, Orr, Halliday, Gillies, Bloomfield, Milne, O'Neill. The fact that there's two promotions thrown in there, and it's been achieved in an era when staying up is so much harder (O'Neill aside) is also to his credit.

 

Only Orr, Gillies, Bloomfield, O'Neill have done significantly better than him at the highest level and, of course, Orr and Gillies won nothing, or next to nothing, and ended up taking us backwards, which hasn't happened with Pearson yet. He's among our best ever managers, whichever way you look at it. A poster on here said earlier in the season that his impact on the club, if not his success at the higher level, had been greater than O'Neill's, and I argued with this. Now it's a much harder argument.

[Guest Col city fan]

The OP is spot on.

There have been many threads completely discounting many players this season.

Cambiasso aside (who has been spaffed over all season), they'd all had a turn.

Wes, Nugent, King, Jeff (especially Jeff), Vardy, Konch, Ulloa, Mahrez have had all posts about them claiming them to be not good enough, or in many cases, far more vindictive.

It's embarrassing and its scapegoating.

I've had sarcasm continually (from the usual suspects), but I say again..the supposed criticism I've given Cambiasso pales by comparison, with the mud that's been hurled at many of our other players.

Am I surprised or perplexed? Not in the slightest.

[Babylon]

The most frustrating thing is the same old people constantly writing him off after bad spells. How many times do they need to be proven wrong before they actually cut him some slack!