SpacedX Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 There are other things off the field that the captain does, and those roles in this day and age probably have more impact that his influence on the pitch. He's often the link between players and management, the ultimate pro that sets the tone for how the others are. You don't know what he's like off the pitch, or what his influence is like with the other players. If you don't agree, that's fine. It's my opinion. Completely agree with the above. But overall, no I don't agree, and your opinion is not only your prerogative but also crucial the debate and discussion which is the purpose of a forum. Irrespective of what your Sky pundits may say, I am nonetheless confident that there are many highly influential and experienced protagonists still involved within the game that would also offer a diametrically opposed viewpoint to your own.
Raw Dykes Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 Completely agree with the above. But overall, no I don't agree, and your opinion is not only your prerogative but also crucial the debate and discussion which is the purpose of a forum. Irrespective of what your Sky pundits may say, I am nonetheless confident that there are many highly influential and experienced protagonists still involved within the game that would also offer a diametrically opposed viewpoint to your own. You seem to agree that natural leaders don't need to be officially made captain in order for them to lead on the pitch, so if that's the case, why risk demotivating Morgan by stripping him of the captaincy? If it ain't broke...
Babylon Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 Completely agree with the above. But overall, no I don't agree, and your opinion is not only your prerogative but also crucial the debate and discussion which is the purpose of a forum. Irrespective of what your Sky pundits may say, I am nonetheless confident that there are many highly influential and experienced protagonists still involved within the game that would also offer a diametrically opposed viewpoint to your own. If we'd had someone here for years like Terry and Gerrard, who were natural leaders on and off the pitch then they would probably already be the captain. I don't want to see the captaincy changing hands every time a new players arrives, that you might think is a better leader than whoever has the armband currently. Cambiasso will only be around for a short time and his game time could be limited. Huth and Fuchs are new to the club and don't have the relationships with the players that Morgan would to be the go between etc. If you are going to change captain, I'd want it to be at the right time for the right person. Morgan would be on your list to replace or phase out, or he'd be getting less game time. I'd then want to swap for someone who has been around the club for quite a while already. Someone you think will stick around and play most of your games. Someone who has the respect of the players, and of course ideally, someone who is also a leader on the pitch. It would be lovely to tick every box, but sometimes you can't. It's done is no harm from what I can see having Morgan as captain, in fact so far he's been an incredibly good one going off results.
MPH Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 No indeed it didn't - I agree, and that's my point. Wes's Captaincy approaches the realms of the farcical. There are few pundits on the planet that would agree with you that a Captains role is merely to choose 'heads or tails' although, you are entirely correct in your assessment that Wes does little more. As marginalised as the Captains role may have become in the modern game their remit is to provide direction and channel leadership. Although I would not question the respect that Wes commands or his ability to raise morale, in terms of Captaincy, which far from your suggestion as being merely symbolic, his designation as Captain has been entirely superfluous given the presence of Cambiasso and Huth - and if they stay, either will be far better suited for the role. Look no further than Gerrard or (as reviled as he may be) John Terry as testament to the potential potency of the role. Jose Mourinho would be the first to dismiss every aspect of your post or the pundits that you parrot. I think , really, you have answered your own argument there. You cant really give the captain's armband to someone who is here on loan, and you only have a marginally better reason to give it to someone who was here on a 1 year deal... What does that say to the rest of the team? It comnpletely undermines Moran's position as club captain ( notice the term club captain, not just team captain) if someone walks in here on a 1 year deal and walks right out again... it's slightly embasressing for Morgan to then resume the role the following year and a little more difficult for the rest of the team to respect him as captain too... They wopuldnt be able to do anything but compare the two and really, who can stack up next to Cambiasso? Who knows if things had been different if Cambiasso had comitted to a 2 year deal straight off the bat but we are left with the same situation... The prospect of him walking in again on a 1 year deal...
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 I would have Was over Wes every day of the week personally. If we was to sign Chester & Huth I would play a back 3 of Huth, Was & Chester
Bettsj2 Posted 15 June 2015 Author Posted 15 June 2015 There are more ex pros than those idiots and Merson. Ah yes. I forgot about Peter Beagrie.
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 For what its worth I feel that Morgans court case was a farce and reflected poorly on him as an individual and the club generally. Also Morgan has been pretty poor and I for one would not be sorry to see the back of him. Huth is a far far better player in every asoect and I just don't see what Pearson see in Morgan.
MPH Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 For what its worth I feel that Morgans court case was a farce and reflected poorly on him as an individual and the club generally. Also Morgan has been pretty poor and I for one would not be sorry to see the back of him. Huth is a far far better player in every asoect and I just don't see what Pearson see in Morgan. which is probably why he's the manager and you are not....
SpacedX Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 You seem to agree that natural leaders don't need to be officially made captain in order for them to lead on the pitch, so if that's the case, why risk demotivating Morgan by stripping him of the captaincy? If it ain't broke... No, I feel that going forward there are ostensibly more suitable natural leaders to productively captain this team. I agree that I cannot possibly comment on Morgan's contribution behind the scenes and off the pitch, but irrespective of your viewpoint, any attempt to do so by 99% of this forum membership will be supposition and pure conjecture. Demotivation by stripping him of the captaincy? There were occasions this season that based upon his performances from late October through until March that I couldn't comprehend how he was regularly guaranteed a start in favour of Wasyl - far less the captaincy. 'If it ain't broke'. Spare the platitudes.... But it was...seriously so - and Wes was one of the main culprits. His admirable performances came late season, alongside Huth and through his constant and conspicuous direction. No idea what game or even team you've been watching but If you're talking about demotivation, that's hardly the hallmark of a captain and certainly not a 'natural leader' that a team would be inclined to put their faith in. Huth and Cambiasso played a major part in orchestrating our survival. Of course you couldn't have given the armband to a centreback on loan and a player on a one year contract. However, assuming we retain their services, which actually I believe they will, my question will remain... Line-X, on 15 Jun 2015 - 2:08 PM, said: Can anyone explain why Nige will insist upon Morgan retaining the armband next season? If you disagree, then that is your opinion - which you are of course fully entitled to.
4everfox Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 I would have Was over Wes every day of the week personally. If we was to sign Chester & Huth I would play a back 3 of Huth, Was & Chester Wasilewski - Huth - Morgan Chester on the bench.
MPH Posted 15 June 2015 Posted 15 June 2015 Wasilewski - Huth - Morgan Chester on the bench. We've seen it work.. And they looked rock solid...
cc_star Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 As well as possibly damaging squad morale and upsetting other players. No one knows what Wes is like in the changing room, and what else he does for the team off the pitch. A thing people don't realise when it comes to a captain. There's a lot more to a captain than screaming and shouting on the pitch. (I'm fully aware you know this, just a bit of elaboration). Spot on
hackneyfox Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 Wasilewski - Huth - Morgan Chester on the bench. Then if Huth gets injured you have to replace him and Morgan as our captain is clueless without Huth telling him what to do.
FrankieWorthoYaggedMyWife Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 As well as possibly damaging squad morale and upsetting other players. No one knows what Wes is like in the changing room, and what else he does for the team off the pitch. A thing people don't realise when it comes to a captain. There's a lot more to a captain than screaming and shouting on the pitch. (I'm fully aware you know this, just a bit of elaboration). He doesn't shout a lot = shit captain. Foxestalk logic.
FLINTHAMFC Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 He doesn't shout a lot do he's a shit captain. Lmfao
MPH Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 People do understand the difference between a club captain and a team captain don't they? He is the club captain and so therefore only about 50% of his role is on the pitch during a game... If that...
Max Power Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 As long as Pearson doesn't give him preferential treatment becuase he's captain I don't care who wears the armband.
4everfox Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 Then if Huth gets injured you have to replace him and Morgan as our captain is clueless without Huth telling him what to do. Exactly why I wouldn't sign Chester, we can and should do better. Dragovic from Dynamo Kiev, Kongolo from Feyenoord, Kjaer from Lille or Agger from Brondby are the level of player we should be looking at now. Either of those would shift Wasilewski from contention. One of the above - Huth - Morgan.
Lichfieldfox. Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 i feel like morgans first name on the team sheet every week
Lichfieldfox. Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 Can anyone explain why Nige will insist upon Morgan retaining the armband next season? Rum marketing
ALC Fox Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 Not sure Agger would leave Brondby again now. Kjaer would be an interesting signing. I can't quite decide whether it would be a realistic one or not.
Lestoh Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 Exactly why I wouldn't sign Chester, we can and should do better. Dragovic from Dynamo Kiev, Kongolo from Feyenoord, Kjaer from Lille or Agger from Brondby are the level of player we should be looking at now. Either of those would shift Wasilewski from contention. One of the above - Huth - Morgan. The biggest problem being that all of the above are getting European football. Agger wouldn't leave Liverpool to go to Denmark to join Leicester, Dragovic is capable of better. Think Kjaer is the only half-realistic one there tbh.
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 Exactly why I wouldn't sign Chester, we can and should do better. Dragovic from Dynamo Kiev, Kongolo from Feyenoord, Kjaer from Lille or Agger from Brondby are the level of player we should be looking at now. Either of those would shift Wasilewski from contention. One of the above - Huth - Morgan. The majority of them play Europe. Daniel Agger is playing for his home side! Why would any of them leave their current clubs to a team where they haven't got Guranteed first team football?
hornyhollthefox123 Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 Not sure Agger would leave Brondby again now. Kjaer would be an interesting signing. I can't quite decide whether it would be a realistic one or not. Kjaer is having a medical at Fenerbache tomorrow
Babylon Posted 16 June 2015 Posted 16 June 2015 Love it when people say "we can do better" to virtually every signing or rumour. How much do people think we have to spend!!
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