Pearson vs. Ranieri

[foxfanazer]

I find it refreshing to hear an adult speaking in pre and post match press conferences.

An adult that can't add up and says 'I love the rock'

[Great Boos Up]

There's only one way to settle this.....

[Frank to be]

They're crediting Pearson because he was the manager at the time, he installed and presided over the scouting network that identified these players (and continues to) and went on record various times - as did Walsh - explaining the process, which involved Pearson specifying what he needed, giving a green light for the targets he liked and the red for those he didn't; right up to pulling the plug at the last minute where necessary. That's more involved than a lot of managers, and certainly worthy of credit where targets work out well. Plus there's the small matter of him getting credit for coaching these players, some of which - e.g. Mahrez - arrived with next to no pedigree in the second tier, and are now among the top upcoming Premier League talents. To not give him any credit for his team-building is your most laughable claim yet.

 

 

Who's got egg on their face? Any Leicester fan should have been sad to see Pearson leave the club and most of us, myself included, were ill-inclined to accept your theory that he almost certainly deserved it because, well, once he was nasty to a few people so he was probably like that all the time. But I saw next to nothing which suggested that people wouldn't get behind Ranieri.

 

Equally any Leicester fan should be ecstatic about our start to the season. For my part I've said this many times, as have most of the other people who were busy dismantling your arguments in the summer. Your one and only trick back then was to invent a load of things people had said, but hadn't, to add strength to your claims. Is this Wave Two?

 

But I suspect a few people also remember the last time we had an outstanding manager who left the club, how we began the season after that by climbing to the top of the Premier League in October, let alone August, amidst fans talking of the Champions League. We finished 13th at the end of that season. It took longer, even, than that before the distribution of eggs to faces could fully be decided.

 

So if egg is being dished out I see no reason why I, or most others on here, should be getting in line. But to see people so confidently comparing the two managers when their evidence is two games of Ranieri, in which the team Pearson left behind continued in the same form they showed at the end of his reign, to put up against nearly 300 games of Pearson, is absurd. Clearly they've forgotten how the beginnings of the reigns of Bryan Hamilton, David Pleat, Martin O'Neill, Peter Taylor, Rob Kelly, Martin Allen and Sven weren't exactly indicative of what was to come.

 

If it works out - and I believe it can - then I'll continue to be ecstatic. And Pearson will deserve his credit for the role he played in the scouting network he set up, the signings he made, the way he forged a team which went on to enjoy success. But for you to be rushing to conclusions all over again, after just two games, is clearly ridiculous.

 

You do love a long post

 

Yes Pearson deserves credit for bringing a good scouting setup with him. Of course it's always useful when you're blessed with a practically unlimited budget for such things, as he was for the likes of the sports science department for which he is also rather ambitiously credited. But I don't have any issue with anyone crediting Pearson for having some good scouts on his team. I'd rather the credit went to the scouts, but I'll give a bit to Nige. He deserves that. But he doesn't deserve full credit for the signing of Okazaki, for example, because he appeared not to even be at the club when he was signed.

 

Your point re Mahrez is an interesting one. He exploded onto the scene in early 2014 and was then inexplicably dropped for much of the early stages of last season as Pearson fiddled with his tactics and team selections, resulting in Mahrez having a disjointed season. Now, under Ranieri, he has committed his future to the club and is playing at a level some distance beyond even his best form under Pearson. His progress hasn't been linear, infact I'd say he didn't get any better between early 2014 and the end of last season. Only since Ranieri took over have we seen that noticeable improvement. See also Danny Drinkwater.

 

As for the egg, I wasn't actually referring to you, more the likes of Mark W and MattP and others who were busy predicting we'd finish bottom and that Ranieri wouldn't last the season. Perhaps the egg hasn't yet struck the face, but it's certainly travelling.

[ARM1968]

All this bollix about deflecting pressure from the players by being a nob infuriates me. These players earn a fortune to kick a ball around. They're not frontline soldiers, paramedics even teachers.

It's like people crawling up Jose's arse over doctor gate and how it kept his teams performance out of the spotlight. No, he's just a bellend. Pearson was generally a bellend as well with regard to the press.

[foxfanazer]

All this bollix about deflecting pressure from the players by being a nob infuriates me. These players earn a fortune to kick a ball around. They're not frontline soldiers, paramedics even teachers.

It's like people crawling up Jose's arse over doctor gate and how it kept his teams performance out of the spotlight. No, he's just a bellend. Pearson was generally a bellend as well with regard to the press.

If you say so

[AKCJ]

What I want to know is where are the congratulatory posts from the likes of Matt P and Mark w?

We've won two on the bounce, are looking happy, yet I've not seen posts from the staunch supporters of Pearson, praising Ranieri for his tactical prowess of his most enjoyable post-match interviews?

Apologies if I've missed such comments, but it seems like some posters have crawled under a rock at present?

I can't help thinking if we start to lose matches, they'll crawl back out again.

 

Why do you have to be such a helmet all of the time?

[Corky]

Pearson did a good job in getting us up and keeping us there. Unconventionally but it was managed.

 

Ranieri has started in excellent fashion and hopefully we'll improve this season. That's all there is to it. Pearson was here, did well, has moved on. No need to put him down if we win and pine for him if we lose.

 

Just enjoy the good work done and hopefully the continual improvement.

[Guy]

What Pearson achieved at this club will never be forgotten, from L1 to the Prem and to be under so much pressure to make sure we stayed up last season he was a great manager, but obviously he is still learning who knows if it wasn't for that incident he may well still be here.

 

What Ranieri has done so far has impressed everyone and he looks to be capable of taking over and building on from what Nigel Pearson created.

This. Although what Raneiri has managed in just his two games so far in charge after a very short pre season at his disposal at city is excellent, as others have said it is not a contest to compare him to Pearson - the latter being the one who has laid such stable foundations for Raneiri to inherit and now hopefully improve upon after the roller coaster that was last season.

 

Lest we forget re A/B comparisons, then without Pearson ever having been any part of LCFC in most of the past recent seasons when he decided to sign for us in 2008 (straight after he'd saved Southampton from the Championship drop at our expense of course but then not being kept on there for some ludicrous reason!), then we could still be like Coventry in League One for all we know! Moreover the Thai owners would probably never have come in for us when they did and Mandaric would probably have struggled to sell on the club to such illustrious owners had we not been a club on the up, as we were at the time the Thais came in and brought in Sven. We have much to thank Nigel for what he did for us in spell one, let alone for his even greater contribution during his spell two after his surprise return to us after his surprise departure to Hull. All in all we have shed loads to thanks Nigel for when you take into account both of his excellent spells here. It was a shame it ended for him in the way it did and I wish him well in his next venture, wherever and whenever that may be.......

 

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[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Can we please not go down this road?

 

Seen so many getting caught up in the hysteria of today's results and saying things like "Ranieri is so much more tactically astute than Pearson" and talking about things they feel are so much better with Claudio than with Pearson.

 

The point is that without Pearson Ranieri wouldn't be walking in to a Premier League club. Without Pearson he wouldn't have a side including Okazaki, Vardy and Mahrez and he wouldn't have a side playing with the spirit that they do. There's no saying that had Pearson stayed and started this season he wouldn't be doing just as well.

 

There is just no need to compare the two and, even if there were, it's still far too early to be doing so.

 

Let's just all remember that when Taylor walked in and took over O'Neill's side for a while they carried on as they were until he slowly brought in more players and eroded away everything that was good about that side. Ranieri hasn't made too many changes yet but that's not to say that he won't as time goes on. With each Benalouane and Inler that come in, we move further away from Pearon's LCFC and maybe can compare then.

 

For now, let's respect what Pearson achieved, be glad that Ranieri's had a good start, but not get too caught up in a one vs the other debate.

Why create a thread that will end up with what you don't want? Best to leave well alone. 

[conLAD logan]

This is similar to southampton when Adkins got sacked and then potechinno came in, atleast I hope it ends up being that successful!

[Great Boos Up]

There's only one way to settle this.....

[Freeman's Wharfer]

They're crediting Pearson because he was the manager at the time, he installed and presided over the scouting network that identified these players (and continues to) and went on record various times - as did Walsh - explaining the process, which involved Pearson specifying what he needed, giving a green light for the targets he liked and the red for those he didn't; right up to pulling the plug at the last minute where necessary. That's more involved than a lot of managers, and certainly worthy of credit where targets work out well. Plus there's the small matter of him getting credit for coaching these players, some of which - e.g. Mahrez - arrived with next to no pedigree in the second tier, and are now among the top upcoming Premier League talents. To not give him any credit for his team-building is your most laughable claim yet.

 

 

Who's got egg on their face? Any Leicester fan should have been sad to see Pearson leave the club and most of us, myself included, were ill-inclined to accept your theory that he almost certainly deserved it because, well, once he was nasty to a few people so he was probably like that all the time. But I saw next to nothing which suggested that people wouldn't get behind Ranieri.

 

Equally any Leicester fan should be ecstatic about our start to the season. For my part I've said this many times, as have most of the other people who were busy dismantling your arguments in the summer. Your one and only trick back then was to invent a load of things people had said, but hadn't, to add strength to your claims. Is this Wave Two?

 

But I suspect a few people also remember the last time we had an outstanding manager who left the club, how we began the season after that by climbing to the top of the Premier League in October, let alone August, amidst fans talking of the Champions League. We finished 13th at the end of that season. It took longer, even, than that before the distribution of eggs to faces could fully be decided.

 

So if egg is being dished out I see no reason why I, or most others on here, should be getting in line. But to see people so confidently comparing the two managers when their evidence is two games of Ranieri, in which the team Pearson left behind continued in the same form they showed at the end of his reign, to put up against nearly 300 games of Pearson, is absurd. Clearly they've forgotten how the beginnings of the reigns of Bryan Hamilton, David Pleat, Martin O'Neill, Peter Taylor, Rob Kelly, Martin Allen and Sven weren't exactly indicative of what was to come.

 

If it works out - and I believe it can - then I'll continue to be ecstatic. And Pearson will deserve his credit for the role he played in the scouting network he set up, the signings he made, the way he forged a team which went on to enjoy success. But for you to be rushing to conclusions all over again, after just two games, is clearly ridiculous.

 

 

Spot on. Far too many people getting rather giddy about the fact that we've beaten a very poor Sunderland side who just got demolished by newly-promoted Norwich and a West Ham side who no-one really knows how they will fare.

 

I'll stay in the camp that's being labelled as 'Pearsonite'/not getting behind Ranieri/wanting him to fail (all absolute nonsense btw) and reserve judgement until a reasonable amount of time has passed and a reasonable amount of games have been played.

 

 

 

You do love a long post

 

Yes Pearson deserves credit for bringing a good scouting setup with him. Of course it's always useful when you're blessed with a practically unlimited budget for such things, as he was for the likes of the sports science department for which he is also rather ambitiously credited. But I don't have any issue with anyone crediting Pearson for having some good scouts on his team. I'd rather the credit went to the scouts, but I'll give a bit to Nige. He deserves that. But he doesn't deserve full credit for the signing of Okazaki, for example, because he appeared not to even be at the club when he was signed.

 

 

And the fact that he tried (as openly said by Walsh) to sign Okazaki on two previous occassions in the January 15 and summer 14 transfer windows?

 

Absolute nonsense to say that Okazaki wasn't a Pearson signing. You only have to look at his playing to style to see that he's got Pearson written all over him.

 

Why create a thread that will end up with what you don't want? Best to leave well alone. 

 

Because at the end of the day this is a forum and it's about discussion. I'm happy to make a case for why the two shouldn't be compared and for people to discuss why they think they should/shouldn't. If people overwhelimgly agree that the comparisons are pointless and stop doing it then great. If they don't and they compare then it's interesting to hear people's justifications for doing so...

[ARM1968]

I do as its my opinion.

[bovril]

 

Spot on. Far too many people getting rather giddy about the fact that we've beaten a very poor Sunderland side who just got demolished by newly-promoted Norwich and a West Ham side who no-one really knows how they will fare.

 

I'll stay in the camp that's being labelled as 'Pearsonite'/not getting behind Ranieri/wanting him to fail (all absolute nonsense btw) and reserve judgement until a reasonable amount of time has passed and a reasonable amount of games have been played.

 

A certain amount of irony in this post. Many posters who doubted Pearson's ability when we were bottom for 5 months were labelled 'doom and gloom merchants', 'mo*gs', 'haters' and were accused of wanting the team to lose. Now we're playing great football many of the same posters who defended Pearson are telling us not to get too excited, to reserve judgement etc. Some posters even stated at the start of the season that they weren't particularly excited about the coming campaign because we had changed managers.

Pearson was great. Can't be ding with this emotional over-attachment though.

[Freeman's Wharfer]

A certain amount of irony in this post. Many posters who doubted Pearson's ability when we were bottom for 5 months were labelled 'doom and gloom merchants', 'mo*gs', 'haters' and were accused of wanting the team to lose. Now we're playing great football many of the same posters who defended Pearson are telling us not to get too excited, to reserve judgement etc. Some posters even stated at the start of the season that they weren't particularly excited about the coming campaign because we had changed managers.

Pearson was great. Can't be ding with this emotional over-attachment though.

 

I would say that that has a large amount to do with perspective.

 

The perspective of not doubting Pearson when we were bottom for 5 months came from seeing what the man had done previously at the club over an extended period and seeing consistent performances where we weren't being soundly beaten.

 

Now, the perspective comes from the fact that we're two games in, against two average at best opponents, having not really changed a great deal from when Pearson was here. People reserving judgement are maintaining some perspective and refusing to get too carried away just yet.

[ARM1968]

Damn right. When we've got 15 pts from our first 5 games, that will be the time to go off the deep end. Weirdly it's perfectly possible. Then just another 25 to go. Safe by new year.

[Guest Col city fan]

Or you could just sit on the fence and then when we're doing well or not work it in your favour. If I remember correctly you yo-yoed in your support for Pearson quite a few times. Credit to you for not shying away but to dismiss the foundations Pearson has left us in as any reason for these two wins is naive.

Ranieri looks like he agrees as he's changed very little

The point I was making (which is actually quite obvious, if anyone chooses to try to understand (I'm convinced certain posters don't..they just like to abuse and to go off at tangents)) is that Ranieri has done a superb job, thus far, in maintaining our form.

This can't have been easy. The squad was Pearson's squad, the sacking was a surprise. Ranieri came in pretty late and had to hit the ground running. But he's been sensible, he seems to got the lads on board. Finally, his press conferences have been a delight compared to the dour, defensive Pearson.

SO...... Where is the congratulations on the part of some posters? The staunch Pearsonites (to coin a phrase). Those who were saying we were doomed? Others that we would get relegated? Not that we MIGHT go down, but that we WOULD?

It's of no surprise that the usual suspects have responded to this question with abuse and accusations of trolling. To be honest, I'd expect no less.

Personally I'm absolutely chuffed for Ranieri and the squad. I said give him a chance and I'd love to see him do good things at this club.

Finally, I say once more...if we start losing, the forum will change once more, as it always does.

Great start Claudio. Keep it going because, at present, you've not put a foot wrong.

[city187]

I'm convinced Col is a troll now, absolutely no chance a normal poster would lack that much self awareness

Either a troll or just a negative sad little man. City have had a great start, why do people care who backed who and said what so long ago. Just enjoy that Leicester are top of league two games in and not get carried away. Why go around pissing on other people's parade is beyond me unless you have to destroy every positive moment you have.

[Guest Col city fan]

Either a troll or just a negative sad little man. City have had a great start, why do people care who backed who and said what so long ago. Just enjoy that Leicester are top of league two games in and not get carried away. Why go around pissing on other people's parade is beyond me unless you have to destroy every positive moment you have.

If you want negative...see 'we will be relegated'.

If you want positive....see 'give him a chance AND he's not put a foot wrong'

What planet are you on mate? Seriously...

[city187]

If you want negative...see 'we will be relegated'.

If you want positive....see 'give him a chance AND he's not put a foot wrong'

What planet are you on mate? Seriously...

You seem incapable of enjoying any given moment. Saying people will go crawling back under there rocks because we are doing well shows what a complete troll/cretin you are.

[Guest Col city fan]

You seem incapable of enjoying any given moment. Saying people will go crawling back under there rocks because we are doing well shows what a complete troll/cretin you are.

I won't abuse you. I'll leave that to you.

But you watch what happens if we do start losing.

You watch...

[city187]

I won't abuse you. I'll leave that to you.

But you watch what happens if we do start losing.

You watch...

Will do Mr.Optimistic. What a ray of sunshine you are

[Corky]

Col, seriously? We've won two matches playing great football and scoring 6 goals and you're bothered by what a couple of people predicted in the heat of the moment when the manager was appointed?

 

Everyone will make big statements at times- some will be right, some wrong. They'll be big enough to admit they were wrong. 

 

Just enjoy the current form.

[Guest Col city fan]

Col, seriously? We've won two matches playing great football and scoring 6 goals and you're bothered by what a couple of people predicted in the heat of the moment when the manager was appointed?

Everyone will make big statements at times- some will be right, some wrong. They'll be big enough to admit they were wrong.

Just enjoy the current form.

Have you read my recent posts? For weeks, I've been hugely positive and congratulatory. I'm wondering why certain others aren't being?

So reply to my point if you choose to, not something completely different.

[Webbo]

Tbf to Col he's been on the receiving end of a lot of posts similar to 1 he's made. If you give it out you have to take it.