bmt Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 And I'm saying we should figure out how many we can take based, on our current infrastructure. Well actually your original point was a sarcy quip about vanishing houses.
bmt Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 Im not jumping anywhere, but a proper organized plan should be drawn up.... a full europe/world summit...not a policy made up on the hoof.. Wasn't aiming that at you. Yes but one that should be taking place immediately, and in the mean time we should be providing as much aid as we can and helping as many refugees as we realistically can at the moment.
Strokes Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 Well actually your original point was a sarcy quip about vanishing houses. To a petulant comment that there were plenty of houses to go round.
bmt Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 To a petulant comment that there were plenty of houses to go round. I still don't disagree with that. Not immediately but it could be made to work. How that has been framed as me trying to make myself look good on the internet is truly beyond me.
DEMANN Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 Can't we do a 'one in, one out' scheme?...There are a fair few who try and leave these shores to get to Syria, and are sometimes stopped from doing so. Why can't we allow them to leave, and actively encourage others who share similar views to follow suit. The numbers who sod off can then be replaced by the same number of Syrians who want a bit of peace.
bmt Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 Can't we do a 'one in, one out' scheme?...There are a fair few who try and leave these shores to get to Syria, and are sometimes stopped from doing so. Why can't we allow them to leave, and actively encourage others who share similar views to follow suit. The numbers who sod off can then be replaced by the same number of Syrians who want a bit of peace. Ironically so far there have been 10 britons (obviously estimated) to join ISIS to every one Syrian allowed refuge in the UK
johnny the fox Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 TBF I don't mind some of the women and children coming here but not the men..they treat their own women like second class human beings...god knows how they will perform here... it has to be said..it was mainly muslim men who were abusing under age white girls up north on a industrial scale... they certainly won't allow their wives or daughters to have much to do with the native british men in this country..
Danno Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 TBF I don't mind some of the women and children coming here but not the men..they treat their own women like second class human beings...god knows how they will perform here... it has to be said..it was mainly muslim men who were abusing under age white girls up north on a industrial scale... they certainly won't allow their wives or daughters to have much to do with the native british men in this country..Oh dear, what a thick little knuckle dragger you are. http://m.thestar.co.uk/news/local/majority-of-rotherham-child-exploitation-suspects-are-white-claims-new-report-1-7392637
bmt Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 TBF I don't mind some of the women and children coming here but not the men..they treat their own women like second class human beings...god knows how they will perform here... it has to be said..it was mainly muslim men who were abusing under age white girls up north on a industrial scale... they certainly won't allow their wives or daughters to have much to do with the native british men in this country.. Most Eritreans trying to get into the UK are Christian. Also the cultural discrimination of women is obviously an issue but things like that change over time, and it is not fair to tarnish them all with the same brush. Also the up North thing is both false and a horrendous generalisation.
johnny the fox Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 Oh dear, what a thick little knuckle dragger you are. http://m.thestar.co.uk/news/local/majority-of-rotherham-child-exploitation-suspects-are-white-claims-new-report-1-7392637 personal abuse says more about you than me...i did state mainly...which you to choose to blindly ignore.. if you don't think muslim men don't have a problem with how they treat women read a bit more mate...you might learn something..
johnny the fox Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 Most Eritreans trying to get into the UK are Christian. Also the cultural discrimination of women is obviously an issue but things like that change over time, and it is not fair to tarnish them all with the same brush. Also the up North thing is both false and a horrendous generalisation. This is mainly about syrian refugees...but there is a problem of culture differences regarding the treatment of women..to ignore or deny it is folly..
bmt Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 This is mainly about syrian refugees...but there is a problem of culture differences regarding the treatment of women..to ignore or deny it is folly.. I haven't ignored or denied it. That sort of thing dissipates over time with education etc though. I think the refugees fleeing here are likely to be the more open minded , or at least not radical, or they would likely be fighting. Also the refugees immediately on our borders aren't mainly Syrian, but in the wider crisis I agree it is mainly Syrians.
johnny the fox Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 I haven't ignored or denied it. That sort of thing dissipates over time with education etc though. I think the refugees fleeing here are likely to be the more open minded , or at least not radical, or they would likely be fighting. Also the refugees immediately on our borders aren't mainly Syrian, but in the wider crisis I agree it is mainly Syrians. point is until a proper plan to a least to try and vet who comes here its a risk.As I said earlier a bbc reporter in a hungarian refugee camp was not even allowed to interview any of the women there by their men.. that's their culture.. not a matter of education.
lgfualol Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 Flew to Munich today and had all my trains cancelled because of the amount of refugees that arrived there today. It was surreal to see it. A lot of people had absolutely nothing. It's going to be a really hard few months for a lot of people. Taxi drivers were loving it as they ripped us all off to get home.
Rincewind Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 There are some Christians in America that believe the world is 6000 years old but it doesn't mean that all Christians do. (although talking to an invisible friend is bad enough)
Webbo Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 There are some Christians in America that believe the world is 6000 years old but it doesn't mean that all Christians do. (although talking to an invisible friend is bad enough) Deep.
Weller in Tights Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 It's not an argument, it's an opinion, something which you have and I respect as it's what you believe in and I hope you would respect mine too. Maybe my opinion will change once the dust settles from this current crisis and the political path and direction of the country is clearer. I use the term Lefty in a slightly tongue and cheek do gooder way but I apologise if it has caused offence it was a regrettable error in judgement I take full responsibility for and I accept my behaviour was not up to what's expected of me. Just a point, you are quick to throw negative terms linking right wing, UKIP and racism to my post which is a classic deflection, damning tactic. My views have came from a single parent, working class family from Thurnby Lodge who had little and was given little support but gained what I view is a lot through hard work. I changed my political views from Labour to nothing during the war and the further lies from Brown then to Conservative when I started to earn more, pay more into the system and take little back while others do the opposite. It was mainly due to the London riots and seeing the ungrateful nature and attitude of a generation. This has nothing to do with race but to do with an infrastructure being able to support itself. I'm all for helping people who need help but i'm more in favour of everybody in the country working hard, taking only what they need when they need it and pushing in the same direction to make the country and the life of its people better. Also I would to see LCFC win the FA Cup. At last I can agree with something you have said! I would like to see LCFC win the FA cup.
johnny the fox Posted 6 September 2015 Posted 6 September 2015 Cameron the hypocrite doesn't have a single asylum seeker in his posh constituency....http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/603295/EU-referendum-Britain-leave-poll-Cameron?utm_content=buffer7cfb0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer And meanwhile a suffering war vet can't get a council house...http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6624363/Council-refuse-housing-for-PTSD-afghan-war-veteran-Daniel-Finch.html?CMP=spklr-_-S9SunSocial-_-TWITTER-_-TheSunNewspaper-_-20150906-_-News-_-232247204
Itsthejoeker Posted 6 September 2015 Posted 6 September 2015 Cameron the hypocrite doesn't have a single asylum seeker in his posh constituency....http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/603295/EU-referendum-Britain-leave-poll-Cameron?utm_content=buffer7cfb0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer And meanwhile a suffering war vet can't get a council house...http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6624363/Council-refuse-housing-for-PTSD-afghan-war-veteran-Daniel-Finch.html?CMP=spklr-_-S9SunSocial-_-TWITTER-_-TheSunNewspaper-_-20150906-_-News-_-232247204 They are free to move around this country once they enter, he doesn't personally pick where they live.
DEMANN Posted 6 September 2015 Posted 6 September 2015 I've had a good think about it ...and I genuinely don't care about the plight of these refugees and migrants. I only care about my immediate family, a couple of mates and LCFC. Where do people summon up all this compassion from...and why?
davieG Posted 6 September 2015 Posted 6 September 2015 They are free to move around this country once they enter, he doesn't personally pick where they live. ...and there in lies the problem as they will likely head for one or two already heavily populated and where there is already a lack of facilities therefore all the talk of 1000s of empty houses is irrelevant. That is the dilemma do you control their freedom to style where they like and feel comfortable or force them to go where they can be more easily accomodated
Strokes Posted 6 September 2015 Posted 6 September 2015 The only people who will suffer if we take in thousands of migrants/refugees, are the most vulnerable already in this country. The more we take in the more it will affect. We have had the last five years or so telling us how terrible and in humane their plight is, surely we can't deepen that plight significantly, we have to be sensible here.
Nick Posted 6 September 2015 Posted 6 September 2015 I've had a good think about it ...and I genuinely don't care about the plight of these refugees and migrants. I only care about my immediate family, a couple of mates and LCFC. Where do people summon up all this compassion from...and why? Well. Hope you are never in the shit and have to turn to someone like you!
DEMANN Posted 6 September 2015 Posted 6 September 2015 Well. Hope you are never in the shit and have to turn to someone like you!I hope that too.
Weller in Tights Posted 6 September 2015 Posted 6 September 2015 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153591600018545&set=a.10150177977848545.310648.500628544&type=1 Could I humbly recommend that folks have a read of this post on Facebook. Demann, maybe you need to have a read, then look up the word empathy.
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