Migrants - What's the answer?

[johnny the fox]

The impression I get is that people are happy to accept refugees as long as they don't move into thier area.

I can 100% guarantee none of the refugees with end up in Belgravia, Mayfair, Park lane or even Westminster council areas....they will be dispersed to the poor northern cities...and the 1200 members of the Lords will still be collecting their 300 quid a day..and will contribute nowt...

[Guest]

Yes, I decorate for a lot of second 1st, 2nd, 3rd and probably beyond that, generation immigrants and in the main I get on fine with them. What's your point?

 

My point is that you and the British economy are benefitting from them - you argued that they just cost the country money.

[Wymsey]

Mr. Farage has his say, quite extremely.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11844290/Thousands-of-Isil-fighters-could-use-migrant-crisis-to-flood-into-Europe-Nigel-Farage-warns.html

[Guest]

This is just getting out of hand in my eyes, They are trying to get into the UK but at the end of the day what are they going to be bringing to the table? The majority of the Women will not work, yet they will be expected to be housed, feed and watered from our state.

 

While the majority of the Males getting through will result to crime to fund there lifes.

 

Yes there will be a small minority that will want to work and will offer the country some benefits but this number is extremely small in my eyes.

 

It's like yesterday I was walking up the NCP carpark to get to my car and there was an immigrant getting ready to take a hit of crack!!! So to fund his habbit he will have to commit crime and who knows this could lead to murder in some cases, now if you look at this on a larger scale we will be ****ed sooner rather than later if we continue to let them come in.

 

And lets not get it twisted Leicester is run over with illegals, its a disgrace. if you drive up one road in Leicester there must be 10-15 disabled parking spots on one street. taking the PISS!

WOW!

[Webbo]

My point is that you and the British economy are benefitting from them - you argued that they just cost the country money.

Could you show me the quote on that?

[Guest]

Could you show me the quote on that?

 

TBH I can't be bothered to trawl but your

 

"Nothing is Free" comment sums it up doesn't it?

 

The inference there is that the cost of the immigrants outweighs the benefits.

[Webbo]

TBH I can't be bothered to trawl but your

 

"Nothing is Free" comment sums it up doesn't it?

 

The inference there is that the cost of the immigrants outweighs the benefits.

It was in reply to this;

 

These threads really worry me about humanity.

I would love to think that everyone that supports Leicester:

Are not racist.

Are not sexist.

Supports the idea that all people have the right to have a home and receive free health care.

Supports the idea that there should be a minimum wage.

Supports the idea that everyone is entitled to a free education.

Care about their fellow humans.

Then you read the views of some on threads like this and you realise............

Some people are real shits.

There are no free homes, no free health care, no free education and the minimum wage isn't free if you're the one paying it. That's the same for everyone immigrant and indigenous, somebody has to pay for everything.But if you want to imply I'm racist after saying this thread was nothing to do with racism it's an easy smear.

[Guest]

It was in reply to this;

 

There are no free homes, no free health care, no free education and the minimum wage isn't free if you're the one paying it. That's the same for everyone immigrant and indigenous, somebody has to pay for everything.But if you want to imply I'm racist after saying this thread was nothing to do with racism it's an easy smear.

 

why are you "getting your knickers in a twist"?

 

I didn't say you are racist and I don't believe you are. Enough with the silliness.

 

If you meant what you said in the above paragraph it was an even more stupid thing to say. "Nothing is Free" - why bother? 

[Finnaldo]

I can't tell what's more ridiculous, some of the right wing posters claiming most of them will instantly resort to crime, or some of the left wing posters labelling anyone who has queries with how the infrastructure will cope or not agreeing with mass immigration 'racist'.

Personally I think we should consider the lives of everyone involved, not just refugees and migrants, but also the indigenous population of the countries as well, whatever ethnicity they be.

We have to really consider whether the infrastructure would manage it and, more importantly, if we could prevent refugees risking their lives coming all this way illegally to begin with. Should we look to ensure that the refugee camps are properly ran and facilitated to live a normal life? And is that financially feasible?

There's a lot of ifs and buts and different factors which make it so hard to find a right solution or form an opinion on the matter.

[Lineker's Left Foot]

Its nothing to do with racism the facts of the matter are our country is struggling with the burden it is already under.

The NHS is practically on its knee's, the days of seeing you're GP same day as ringing the surgery are over, hospital waiting times are unsustainable and lets not even go near the fact that people are living longer putting tremendous strain on pensions etc.

Housing, social or otherwise is a huge bottle neck there are simply not enough houses whether affordable or not for the population let alone an influx of refugees.

End of the day i feel desperately sorry for these people but what does get right on my tit's is they travel through most of eastern europe refusing to claim asylum in the first countries they get to in order to make their way to more western european nations such as Germany and the UK.

To be honest constant UK meddling under the puppet strings of the USA in matters that are NOTHING to do with us have ultimately caused this Exodus type shift in human movement.

Perhaps we should put on cross-atlantic ferries and have all these Syrian refugees sent to the USA.

So agree with this and it may mean that I probably will never retire. What jobs are they going to do once here? The politicians who have made this decision to entice asylum seekers here will never be affected by the effect this will have e.g struggling to see GP on same day, will be able to afford their retirement. Also what about housing, I suppose a lot of them will jump the queue. Would love to see a heated debate on both sides of the argument

[m4DD0gg]

Mr. Farage has his say, quite extremely.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11844290/Thousands-of-Isil-fighters-could-use-migrant-crisis-to-flood-into-Europe-Nigel-Farage-warns.html

 

He has a point as always.

[Buce]

This is just getting out of hand in my eyes, They are trying to get into the UK but at the end of the day what are they going to be bringing to the table? The majority of the Women will not work, yet they will be expected to be housed, feed and watered from our state.

While the majority of the Males getting through will result to crime to fund there lifes.

Yes there will be a small minority that will want to work and will offer the country some benefits but this number is extremely small in my eyes.

It's like yesterday I was walking up the NCP carpark to get to my car and there was an immigrant getting ready to take a hit of crack!!! So to fund his habbit he will have to commit crime and who knows this could lead to murder in some cases, now if you look at this on a larger scale we will be ****ed sooner rather than later if we continue to let them come in.

And lets not get it twisted Leicester is run over with illegals, its a disgrace. if you drive up one road in Leicester there must be 10-15 disabled parking spots on one street. taking the PISS!

It's posts like this that make me think that a few immigrants might not be such a bad idea, after all, you know, stir the gene pool a bit..

[foxinexile]

This is just getting out of hand in my eyes, They are trying to get into the UK but at the end of the day what are they going to be bringing to the table? The majority of the Women will not work, yet they will be expected to be housed, feed and watered from our state.

 

While the majority of the Males getting through will result to crime to fund there lifes.

 

Yes there will be a small minority that will want to work and will offer the country some benefits but this number is extremely small in my eyes.

 

It's like yesterday I was walking up the NCP carpark to get to my car and there was an immigrant getting ready to take a hit of crack!!! So to fund his habbit he will have to commit crime and who knows this could lead to murder in some cases, now if you look at this on a larger scale we will be ****ed sooner rather than later if we continue to let them come in.

 

And lets not get it twisted Leicester is run over with illegals, its a disgrace. if you drive up one road in Leicester there must be 10-15 disabled parking spots on one street. taking the PISS!

 

You know you can always leave if you don't like it, right? 

[Danno]

It's posts like this that make me think that a few immigrants might not be such a bad idea, after all, you know, stir the gene pool a bit..

I was hoping it was a pisstake, but you can never tell on here. I'm still convinced Dangerous Tiger is someone's joke that got out of hand.

[separator]

This is just getting out of hand in my eyes, They are trying to get into the UK but at the end of the day what are they going to be bringing to the table? The majority of the Women will not work, yet they will be expected to be housed, feed and watered from our state.

 

While the majority of the Males getting through will result to crime to fund there lifes.

 

Yes there will be a small minority that will want to work and will offer the country some benefits but this number is extremely small in my eyes.

 

It's like yesterday I was walking up the NCP carpark to get to my car and there was an immigrant getting ready to take a hit of crack!!! So to fund his habbit he will have to commit crime and who knows this could lead to murder in some cases, now if you look at this on a larger scale we will be ****ed sooner rather than later if we continue to let them come in.

 

And lets not get it twisted Leicester is run over with illegals, its a disgrace. if you drive up one road in Leicester there must be 10-15 disabled parking spots on one street. taking the PISS!

Have you not seen Jeremy Kyle? Plenty of home-grown folks not working, committing crime and smoking crack in the car park. As for that last sentence, I assume you knocked on everyones door to see who's disabled parking space was used by an 'illegal'. 

[Buce]

Have you not seen been on Jeremy Kyle? Plenty of home-grown folks not working, committing crime and smoking crack in the car park. As for that last sentence, I assume you knocked on everyones door to see who's disabled parking space was used by an 'illegal'.

[bmt]

Totally agree mate...how many are you taking into your house?  Bob will pass a few on..

 

There are 635000 empty properties in the UK. Plenty to go round.

 

You see it's comments like this that annoy me as it highlights serious hand-wringing, self-loathing and white-guilt.  The conflicts we are seeing in the Middle-East have been going on for hundreds of years, there's nothing new about them.  As for owing them a favour, since 2000 the UK has added millions to it's population thanks to immigration, irreversibly changing it's cultural landscape forever (over 500,000 came to the UK just last year remember), and we are the most generous nation in Europe by a million miles in terms of foreign aid.  Yet you say that still isn't enough. 

 

We have definitely exacerbated them and I believe some form of guilt and wanting to help is appropriate. Also just because something is wrong already does not mean you don't have an obligation to help the innocent people it effects, especially when we have meddled in those countries. We most certainly owe Eritreans, having stripped their land of much of its wealth and pushing them into a poverty trap and a 30 year long war of independence.

 

Only 166 Syrians came to our country in the past year (I think it's about 260 ytd this year), I don't think it is enough. We do more than some countries do but in my opinion far less than we should, and furthermore however much we give in foreign aid to places like Africa they pay far higher amounts back to the West in interest payments on loans they were forced to take out.

[Webbo]

There are 635000 empty properties in the UK. Plenty to go round.

 

 

We have definitely exacerbated them and I believe some form of guilt and wanting to help is appropriate. Also just because something is wrong already does not mean you don't have an obligation to help the innocent people it effects, especially when we have meddled in those countries. We most certainly owe Eritreans, having stripped their land of much of its wealth and pushing them into a poverty trap and a 30 year long war of independence.

 

Only 166 Syrians came to our country in the past year (I think it's about 260 ytd this year), I don't think it is enough. We do more than some countries do but in my opinion far less than we should, and furthermore however much we give in foreign aid to places like Africa they pay far higher amounts back to the West in interest payments on loans they were forced to take out.

When was this?

[bmt]

When was this?

I am talking on behalf of Europeans not just British people but us specifically:

"British forces defeated the Italian army in Eritrea in 1941 at the Battle of Keren and placed the colony under British military administration until Allied forces could determine its fate. The first thing the British did was to remove the Eritrean industries (of Asmara and Massawa) to Kenya, as war compensation. They even dismantled parts of the Eritrean Railway system.^[52]."

 

(obviously just from wiki)

[Frank to be]

You're really saying we, as individuals, should feel guilty because of a war that happened in 1941?

[Strokes]

There are 635000 empty properties in the UK. Plenty to go round.

 .

There was a million yesterday, better move quick.

[bmt]

You're really saying we, as individuals, should feel guilty because of a war that happened in 1941?

 

I feel that we, as individuals within a nation that has got to where it is today by purposefully extracting the best things from poor countries and guaranteeing their poverty for the foreseeable future (most Eritreans still earn less than the abject poverty line of $1.25 a day), should feel some sort of responsibility to redistribute that privilege. 

[Webbo]

 

I am talking on behalf of Europeans not just British people but us specifically:

"British forces defeated the Italian army in Eritrea in 1941 at the Battle of Keren and placed the colony under British military administration until Allied forces could determine its fate. The first thing the British did was to remove the Eritrean industries (of Asmara and Massawa) to Kenya, as war compensation. They even dismantled parts of the Eritrean Railway system.^[52]."

 

(obviously just from wiki)

 

We occupied Germany as well, what do we owe them?

[bmt]

There was a million yesterday, better move quick.

That wasn't my quote it was someone elses I believe they got from a newspaper, I am going on conservative estimates that were used during the election etc.

We occupied Germany as well, what do we owe them?

Fortunately Germany isn't in absolute poverty.

[Strokes]

That wasn't my quote it was someone elses I believe they got from a newspaper, I am going on conservative estimates that were used during the election etc.

Who owns these magical empty properties or does that not matter in your world?