Migrants - What's the answer?

[Deucalion]

For the record, only 2% of the land in the UK is built on.

 

That leaves 98% which isn't.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18623096

[BlueSi13]

It's actually the major right leaning papers (Daily Mail, The Sun, The Telegraph) which are all of a sudden calling for the refugees to be helped after the photo came out. They've taken a sudden U-turn from their usual scaremongering ways and quite rightly so. Yes, there are countless problems in the world and on our doorstep but lets not blame the refugees for getting the press at the moment, that's the media for you. 

The fact is that the UK and America has got to do something to help these refugees since it is largely stated that what is going on in Syria has stemmed from the unjust war in Iraq hunting for non-existent WMDs.

 

To those who believe this right wing media fuelled notion that the UK is full - there are over 1 million empty homes in the UK.

 

More like 220,000 which sounds a lot.  But is that your answer then?  Add nearly a quarter of a million to the pile?  

[Jock Wallace]

Ah bless, this is truly horrible what's going on but all theses people jumping on the band wagon probably don't live in the inner cities where these anxious frightened people will end up facing a lot of anger and resentment from those already there. There will be no happy ending whatever happens. How about those with big houses opening up their spare bedrooms ?

I live in the inner city. Le3

[BlueSi13]

Over 500,000 immigrated to the UK last year and millions have been added due to immigration since 2000.  When do you draw the line?

[Webbo]

Lefties get the blame for everything. Even caring and showing compassion..

Spare us the sanctimonious crap Ken. Nobody has blamed the lefties.

[Jock Wallace]

https://www.facebook.com/FCKV2010/photos/a.225458924153767.64687.199020316797628/1069710626395255/?type=1&theater

[Channies6thswan]

Leicester City brings together 30000 fans from all over Leicester. You feel a bond with them because they love the same club as you. I dont ask them to like the same movies, music and taste in food. I don't ask them to follow a particular religion or force my politicical views down their throats. The immigrant/ refugee debate is the biggest political hot potato at the moment. For many it's a philosophical, social or moral debate. For some it's simple they just see it as a tragedy, therefore, they feel it can be brought to the attention of others through football. I understand the latter point of view and sympathise with it. BUT my own view is that I think at this moment in time it is a too contentious an issue to bring to the football ground as it is far too political' at the moment.' And politics never solves anything.

Excellent post. Now let's close this thread.

[BlueSi13]

Local authorities are struggling because the government would rather invest in the super rich than the average person in the country.

Has anyone ever been to the Middle East or thereabouts? The work ethic is tremendous, with people choosing to work from the moment the get up to late at night. There is no concept of work/life balance, work is their social life.

With this in mind, 4 million Syrians would probably give the economy a massive boost.

I like the idea of a sorry banner though.

Whatever you're smoking, put it down.

[lcfcdave15]

More like 220,000 which sounds a lot.  But is that your answer then?  Add nearly a quarter of a million to the pile?  

 

It was at 1 million a year ago, perhaps not now but as you say 220,000 is still a lot of empty homes. Yes, why not add another quarter million to 'the pile.'

[SecretPro]

It's actually the major right leaning papers (Daily Mail, The Sun, The Telegraph) which are all of a sudden calling for the refugees to be helped after the photo came out. They've taken a sudden U-turn from their usual scaremongering ways and quite rightly so. Yes, there are countless problems in the world and on our doorstep but lets not blame the refugees for getting the press at the moment, that's the media for you. 

The fact is that the UK and America has got to do something to help these refugees since it is largely stated that what is going on in Syria has stemmed from the unjust war in Iraq hunting for non-existent WMDs.

 

To those who believe this right wing media fuelled notion that the UK is full - there are over 1 million empty homes in the UK.

 

Not denying this. But 'help'. Certainly don't think opening the flood gates and encouraging thousands of people to take their lives into their own hands crossing oceans in dingy's is help. The refugee situation is the effect, every effect has a cause. I'm not an advocate of war but how about lets tackle the actual cause? Mass migration only opens up space for those they are running away from to occupy and spread and gain power. The problem will never end if everybody continues to run and the government/media continue to support running as the best method of dealing with the problem.

 

Also, I didn't blame any refugees - I blame the press. Any dead baby is sad news but where were you when thousands were getting blown up in Gaza? Where were all the dogooders then? Also, contrary to popular belief, again spread by mainstream media, the biggest killer in Syria is not ISIS, it's Asad.

[Jock Wallace]

I would do it but I don't have a ticket for Sunday. This game will be shown around the world. I love leicester, I love Leicester people, I have lived and worked all around the world, Leicester born, back here now and I love it. I am privileged because I had the opportunity to travel and also the option to return home. It is a message to the world we are not all like the Daily mail readers (or maybe you are) and we, the British public, do not necessarily agree with our government. it is a message of compassion, and Leicester will gain many fans around the world. It is a message of solidarity, a rare moment of parity with the away fans, a moment I always love when at the football. over and out. Peace. 

[BlueSi13]

It was at 1 million a year ago, perhaps not now but as you say 220,000 is still a lot of empty homes. Yes, why not add another quarter million to 'the pile.'

 

Christ.  As simple as that eh?  Who needs to think about language skills, schooling, security, healthcare, law & order, infrastructure etc right?  Who pays for all this when the country has been buckling under the pressure of unprecedented immigration for a couple decades now?  

[Deucalion]

Over 500,000 immigrated to the UK last year and millions have been added due to immigration since 2000.  When do you draw the line?

 

How many people have left?

 

 

Whatever you're smoking, put it down.

 

I'd rather live next door to a Syrian rather than a lazy, ignorant, entitled little Englander any day.

 

And it remains a fact which is often ignored in these quasi-fascists days, that immigrants accelerate growth in their new countries.  The US, for one, grew rich on the back of open door immigration.

 

Immigrants usually work far harder than the population, and therefore out perform the existing population and therefore do better than them.  This is why those lower down the social spectrum are usually most hostile to immigrants.

 

As for pressures on local services, there is no upper limit to the level of service which can be provided.  Whether services are cut or expanded is a political decision.  Any problems anyone is having with local services should be addressed squarely to the government of the day.

 

Of course, the government of the day can just deflect blame by picking a vulnerable group to blame. 

 

 

 

btw - while people keep posting things I vehemently disagree with, I will keep answering.  I'm sure this is true for other people too.

 

On the subject of whether we should have a banner supporting Syrian refugees, well I would personally love that.   I would also hope that anyone who disagreed with any banner would show respect to people who cared enough to create it and not voice their displeasure.  I don't know whether this would happen, and I am an idealist, so maybe that is unreasonable.

 

A group of people who really get on my nerves on Foxestalk are the self-appointed forum police.  I'm not talking about mods, I am talking about people who clamour for posts to be closed or criticise other people's posts.  Back to being an idealist, I would like to think Foxestalk was a platform for all to air their views, not just those that seem to understand some unwritten rules of the forum.

 

However, I don't think this thread has any chance of staying on topic, and probably doesn't belong on this part of the forum.  No offence to the OP.

[SecretPro]

Christ.  As simple as that eh?  Who needs to think about language skills, schooling, security, healthcare, law & order, infrastructure etc right?  Who pays for all this when the country has been buckling under the pressure of unprecedented immigration for a couple decades now?  

 

+million.

 

People think shoving immigrants in housing is the answer.

[lcfcdave15]

Not denying this. But 'help'. Certainly don't think opening the flood gates and encouraging thousands of people to take their lives into their own hands crossing oceans in dingy's is help. The refugee situation is the effect, every effect has a cause. I'm not an advocate of war but how about lets tackle the actual cause? Mass migration only opens up space for those they are running away from to occupy and spread and gain power. The problem will never end if everybody continues to run and the government/media continue to support running as the best method of dealing with the problem.

 

Also, I didn't blame any refugees - I blame the press. Any dead baby is sad news but where were you when thousands were getting blown up in Gaza? Where were all the dogooders then? Also, contrary to popular belief, again spread by mainstream media, the biggest killer in Syria is not ISIS, it's Asad.

 

I think part of the whole point of helping is to stop the crossing oceans in dingys and to provide safe, structured ways for refugees to get to refuge. I see your point and whilst I believe that we should let refugees who need to get away from violence and death in we should ultimately be looking at solving the actual problem in Syria. How we solve it I don't know as it seems we would be in danger of starting another war, which isn't going to help anyone. Hopefully a peaceful solution can be found.

 

I wasn't pointing the finger at you in particular, it just seems to be the attitude of many people so I wanted to bring it up. Okay, I'm not exactly going out there and solving things myself but I have been well aware and very vocal about the situation in Gaza for years now, I'm not one of those 'dogooders' jumping on the bandwagon cos a sad picture was put in the news herpy derpy derp. The state of the world today and politics is a passionate subject of mine and has been since I was old enough to understand. 

[lcfcdave15]

Christ.  As simple as that eh?  Who needs to think about language skills, schooling, security, healthcare, law & order, infrastructure etc right?  Who pays for all this when the country has been buckling under the pressure of unprecedented immigration for a couple decades now?  

 

Well obviously not, I was just dismissing your point with a non-sensical argument as you did to mine. Perhaps if you got your information from from a better source you would find that immigration isn't half the problem the Daily Mail makes it out to be. 

[NeilLCFC]

Mods, lock and delete

[Freeman's Wharfer]

Yes the prices are way over the top these days, but mate, the germans are not doing this to encourage refugees to watch football!!! (Not sure if you were serious??)

Of course it was tongue in cheek but if you read the article in the OP it says that German supporter groups want to encourage refugees to attend matches. That's great and I wish we could do that here but at £45 per match we're hardly sending a message of inclusivity at our football matches are we?!

There is a wider point to be made about the fact that each country is its own case. It's all very well German fans doing this but English supporters shouldn't do it just to "show solidarity". Each group are dealing with different scenarios in their respective countries.

Sport is a great influencer for social change but there are certain times when politics and football shouldn't really mix. As people are saying in this thread, it's all very well taking a banner to a match but what does that really achieve in the grand scheme? Compared to, say, actually doing something rather than just following someone else's lead by holding up a banner because some other supporters did it?

I'm not saying I don't back the message of the banner, I do. But I appreciate that amongst our fan base opinion will be divided. Therefore any action that is seen as an action by 'Leicester fans' should reflect the attitudes of the majority and I'm not sure in this case that this would.

[EastAnglianFox]

I presume the current situation in Calais is still as bad?

Can't seem to find much on the news apps.

[Webbo]

My late mother's house is empty atm and will be until it's sold. Do you think the govt can just commandeer it and hand it over to some migrant? How many of these houses are habitable?

Doesn't anyone ask themselves why if these things are simple to solve how come nobody's done it already? It seems to me that the people who are too clever to be fooled by the right wing press will believe anything.

[Carl the Llama]

One day FT will have a sensible political conversation without people on each side descending to childish, partisan slurs.  Today is not that day.

[lcfcdave15]

For the record, I'm not suggesting we fill all the empty homes in the UK with migrants. I alluded to that in sarcasm. My point was to address the misconception that this country is 'full.' 

 

I don't think anyone is saying the problem is simple to solve and that's not something that any knowledgeable left wing supporter would claim.

 

You could make the exact same point about people that are too clever to be fooled by the left wing press will believe anything. In fact, if people read The Sun and believe what they say in there then they most likely will believe anything! 

[kushiro]

 

I'd rather live next door to a Syrian rather than a lazy, ignorant, entitled little Englander any day.

 

 

 

I remember when a Ugandan Asian family of seven moved in next door to us in Wiggy in the 1970s. Four sons and a daughter. We used to spend the whole summer playing cricket and football with them. Such great memories. They moved out about 10 years later.

 

Where are you now Bhaskar, Rupin, Sanjay and Sangita? (and the little one whose name I can't remember). 

[Nick]

Give me your poor, your tired your weak and your hungry.....

 

Some people in this thread would be on their hands and knees begging for another country to take them and their loved ones in if they were suffering the same.

 

It did happen once here you know and it was France that stepped up and took British children in when we thought we were going to be invaded and slaughtered.

[Weller in Tights]

These threads really worry me about humanity.

I would love to think that everyone that supports Leicester:

Are not racist.

Are not sexist.

Supports the idea that all people have the right to have a home and receive free health care.

Supports the idea that there should be a minimum wage.

Supports the idea that everyone is entitled to a free education.

Care about their fellow humans.

Then you read the views of some on threads like this and you realise............

Some people are real shits.