What's the deal with Ulloa?

[The Doctor]

How many times does moosebreath have to be put straight?

 

You remind me a lot of the anti-vax crowd in America asking how many times they need to show vaccines are harmful, without ever actually having done so to start with, and rather it being obvious that the opposite is true. 

 

So, serious question - does being completely wrong ever get boring?

[MooseBreath]

These basic stats don't prove anything anyway.

You want to see why Okazaki should start ahead of Ulloa, watch Ulloa just allowing Swansea to stroll past him after Vardy has spent 60 seconds sprinting after them trying to close them down.

Apart from that I'm happy to describe them as about equal, equally average, but Ulloa's laziness is a poor fit for this team.

[ImBlue]

You remind me a lot of the anti-vax crowd in America asking how many times they need to show vaccines are harmful, without ever actually having done so to start with, and rather it being obvious that the opposite is true.

So, serious question - does being completely wrong ever get boring?

I have no idea what you're saying I'm wrong about.

[foxes_rule1978]

Ulloa is the better option for the team, we still score a lot with him there and are actually better at set piece defending too which is a weakness. We are stronger overall with Ulloa playing

[ImBlue]

These basic stats don't prove anything anyway.

You want to see why Okazaki should start ahead of Ulloa, watch Ulloa just allowing Swansea to stroll past him after Vardy has spent 60 seconds sprinting after them trying to close them down.

Apart from that I'm happy to describe them as about equal, equally average, but Ulloa's laziness is a poor fit for this team.

They don't prove anything because it doesn't suit you. He doesn't just run around, but it might be the reason he finds himself in scoring opportunities more often and probably why the team scores more as he occupies defenders. Defensively it's obvious what he adds as he is an excellent defender at set pieces.

Okazaki works hard in front of the midfield, but you have to ask questions when you concede more with him on the pitch when he carries zero attacking threat.

[Bamba's Babes]

Ulloa is utter poverty at finishing.

[foxfanazer]

Ulloa/Okazaki/Kramaric are utter poverty at finishing.

[foxfanazer]

I've seen it all now. You can't give Ulloa any credit for how we played because it was only Newcastle and Swansea but Okazaki against Sunderland does because.........

Couldn't make it up

[hejammy]

I think we are a better team with Ulloa in the team, his aerial presence is pretty good, both defending and attacking and with Albrightons crossing he could score a few goals if he got a run in the team. Claudio is clearly picking Ulloa or shinji based on the opposition. It's probably the right thing to do but I'd love for one of them to get a good run of games to gain the confidence.

[Countryfox]

Both have their pluses and very obviously both have their weaknesses ....    horses for courses.     Luckily me and CR can see that.   

[MC Prussian]

Looked a bit off-pace and overeager yesterday. That miss in the first half will haunt him for a few days to come, should've buried it. But others were equally wasteful.

 

I think he complements Vardy nicely and I do recall a couple of really handy passes against Swansea. Shame the others (Mahrez, Vardy) couldn't pick it up.

 

In the long run, we'll be thankful to have a couple of choices of whom to put up front.

 

There's a similar situation in the midfield area, where Inler and King can't get past Drinkwater and Kanté at the moment. The whole team has been mostly injury-free since the start of the season, imagine!

 

However, it does beg the question of how well an Okazaki-Ulloa or Kramaric-Ulloa partnership would fare.

[Foxymcoxy]

Okazaki adds to our strength of pressing and defending from the front. Ulloa helps our weakness aerially. Neither score many, they both link up reasonably well, though in very different ways. They come out about equal imo.

[BlueBoy1]

Okazaki is a hard worker with no end product. Ulloa slightly less dynamic but would much rather ulloa play in place of Okazaki. Okazaki appears to be out of his depth... Hopefully a second season wonder

[The Doctor]

I have no idea what you're saying I'm wrong about.

That Ulloa is a better fit than okazaki.

[ImBlue]

Away wins cannot be underestimated no matter where. and winning and scoring hat fulls of goals can only be strengthening Ulloa's chances of staying in the starting XI

[ImBlue]

That Ulloa is a better fit than okazaki.

Based on what?

[dylanlegend]

Look at it this way. Normally a good team has a player who scores 20+ and others than score 5+. I'm more than happy with either Ulloa / Okazaki as the second striker (prefer Ulloa as we play better as a team with him). I also think this is the reason Kramaric hasn't played ( as he is more of a main striker like Vardy). If we signed Austin for example instead of Ulloa he would want to be the main striker and this will inevitably take goals away from Vardy.

[Number 6]

Think the argument should probably be a different one as Ulloa and Okazaki do different jobs when playing.

My main gripe with Okazaki is that I don't think his closing down and tackling is any good. He falls over without winning the ball. In which case I think you could make a case for King filling that position. He can harry, close down, retain possession and has proven to chip in with a few goals.

[MC Prussian]

Based on what?

Based on his defensive play (suitable as an additional defender for corners), his willingness to track back also, his vision and willingness to set up other players (namely Vardy and Mahrez) and I do also think he is more potent in front of goal. Not to take anything away from Shinji, his dedication, him often acting as a free-roaming CAM/CF in the middle and his phenomenal workrate which sometimes comes in handy, but Ullloa makes more happen going forward. Whenever I see Okazaki in or near the penalty box, I'm more sure that he'll squander the chance or wait for too long before letting go. His two goals so far were a bit on the lucky side (reacting quick enough to convert a rebound).

[ImBlue]

Based on his defensive play (suitable as an additional defender for corners), his willingness to track back also, his vision and willingness to set up other players (namely Vardy and Mahrez) and I do also think he is more potent in front of goal. Not to take anything away from Shinji, his dedication, him often acting as a free-roaming CAM/CF in the middle and his phenomenal workrate which sometimes comes in handy, but Ullloa makes more happen going forward. Whenever I see Okazaki in or near the penalty box, I'm more sure that he'll squander the chance or wait for too long before letting go. His two goals so far were a bit on the lucky side (reacting quick enough to convert a rebound).

You might have misunderstood, but he was saying I was wrong for suggesting Ulloa offers more than Okazaki. I completely agree with all the above.

I don't think he deserves the criticism he seems to attract, although as I've said before, I'm not sure it's so much that people don't appreciate what Ulloa brings (bring our top goalscorer last season), but more trying to justify Okazaki's inclusion.

He should have had an assist yesterday if Mahrez had a little more composure. Looks a little rusty in front of goal, but has proved he can finish, just needs a run of games.

[yorkie1999]

Needs to practice his shooting, that's for sure