Harry - LCFC Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 I think Pearson would've had just as good a season if he were still here. The difference being that I think he'd have been better long term. Still the wrong decision IMO, just not a disaster.
Vardinhio Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 I think Pearson would've had just as good a season if he were still here. The difference being that I think he'd have been better long term. Still the wrong decision IMO, just not a disaster. Difficult to say that, Ranieri has much more prestige on the world stage. Would all the players that came over the summer still have arrived under Pearson? I doubt it.
Babylon Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 Difficult to say that, Ranieri has much more prestige on the world stage. Would all the players that came over the summer still have arrived under Pearson? I doubt it. Fuchs and Okazaki has already signed, Kante we'd already bid on. So yes probably.
Far Post Gerry Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 Raneiro evolves, but he doesn't revolve
Alf Bentley Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 Raneiro evolves, but he doesn't revolve He may not revolve, but he does rotate, to judge from last night's team selection....
ScouseFox Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 i was gutted when nige went but pretty pleased with ranieri. he was obviously going to be great. he seems like a great guy.
Babylon Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 i was gutted when nige went but pretty pleased with ranieri. he was obviously going to be great. he seems like a great guy. Ridiculous really how he has been portrayed in this country. I think everyone is starting to realise the press had everyone hoodwinked.
ScouseFox Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 Ridiculous really how he has been portrayed in this country. I think everyone is starting to realise the press had everyone hoodwinked. people wanted us to actually give neil lennon a job instead
SecretPro Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 I think Pearson would've had just as good a season if he were still here. The difference being that I think he'd have been better long term. Still the wrong decision IMO, just not a disaster. Not sure I agree with that. Tactical nouse and perfectly timed/selected substitutions has been one of the major keys to our success so far this season, in that respect I think Ranieri certainly has the edge over Pearson. Still think Nige would have kept us up this year but I don't think he would have been pushing the boundaries we have been so far because I think Ranieri adapts to situations/changes etc a lot quicker and more effectively. Just MO.
Babylon Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 Not sure I agree with that. Tactical nouse and perfectly timed/selected substitutions has been one of the major keys to our success so far this season, in that respect I think Ranieri certainly has the edge over Pearson. Still think Nige would have kept us up this year but I don't think he would have been pushing the boundaries we have been so far because I think Ranieri adapts to situations/changes etc a lot quicker and more effectively. Just MO. Flip side of that coin is that you could say CR has set us up defensively and have to change it. Something we stopped doing last season in the end.
Thracian Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 Just shows the professionals who run clubs know better than the fans. The club were right, irrelevant why Pearson was sacked to hire CR. This club is reborn new with this ownership and management. Fans really have to stop thinking of it as a permanent struggle, but a club looking not only to survive but thrive in the Premier League. We have or we will be a struggling club again and forever. CR is in his mid sixties and has a few maybe 5 years left in him if he survives with great results. This management is as important as any of our stars like Vardy (who would have thought a million pound player from the conference would be our star) or Kante and Marhez (400k from the French 2nd division) The fans need to give every decision a chance before ranting, but that may be a little to much to accept. No it doesn't. We and most everyone else have had some awful managers, players, coaches, owners and administrators. I'd certainly join you in saying we should be wholeheartedly thankful for the owners, manager, staff and organisation we have at present and that includes most of the playing staff, but it says nothing for "professionals" generally. As for individual decisions and situations fans will comment or otherwise as they see fit. Just because someone criticises a player or tactic on a particular day doesn't mean their viewpoint will necessarily be right or that they'll have the same opinion of the player or tactic on another occasion. Inler's a case in point. He's never justified a place in our Premiership team - especially with the team and its players performing so successfully. Some say so and others want to make excuses for him in the belief that he'll adapt. He's been a 5/10 player. Last night he looked more like 6/10 and most all his critics said so. In other words they judged him on what they saw. Being fair the manager didn't shirk the issue either and, perfectly diplomatically, suggested he needed to do better. Last night he did do better and we were all pleased for him. But he was still a long way off being our star man - or evening being in the top few.
promised land Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 That was just a class moment. Worth my £13 alone! Certainly was and it worked as well, the noise when he waved his arms.
Guest Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 Like many on here, I was gutted when the owners sacked NP, and totally underwhelmed by their choice of replacement. I feared the worst. But what an inspired signing Claudio has proven to be. He's retained the spirit and energy of the side, while adding some much needed tactical acumen. And it brought a lump to my throat to see him whipping the crowd to a frenzy in ET. Absolute legend, already. Love the guy. In the thais we trust. All hail King Claudio
Dan Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 Ridiculous really how he has been portrayed in this country. I think everyone is starting to realise the press had everyone hoodwinked. Said it elsewhere but the press literally treated him like his only job since Chelsea was Greece. I'm not going to go waffling about him being a 'world class manager' like some did but it was all a bit unfair - no surprise that McClaren, who had in my opinion since February at Derby done only marginally better than Ranieri did at Greece, was being lauded like they'd appointed Guardiola. The ignorance fans and media in this country have to foreign football is shocking. Not going to claim everyone should know everything about it or even watch it - but people who are foreign get automatically dismissed whilst those who people have heard of don't, so often. Case in point - people thinking Bournemouth did better business this summer than Watford.
SecretPro Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 Flip side of that coin is that you could say CR has set us up defensively and have to change it. Something we stopped doing last season in the end. You have a point, Ranieri did set up defensively against Villa in the first half, we sat deep and invited pressure however 45 minutes later he had realised his mistake and knew exactly how to fix it. It took Pearson 2/3's of a season to do similar. Yes he's gone back to a back 4 but he has in the whole maintained the attacking intent, there is an argument for a back three due to goals conceded but I think he has players coming on who can do a job in a back 4 (RB still dodgy) which was evident last night - that back 4 was absolutely solid!
SecretPro Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 Said it elsewhere but the press literally treated him like his only job since Chelsea was Greece. I'm not going to go waffling about him being a 'world class manager' like some did but it was all a bit unfair - no surprise that McClaren, who had in my opinion since February at Derby done only marginally better than Ranieri did at Greece, was being lauded like they'd appointed Guardiola. The ignorance fans and media in this country have to foreign football is shocking. Not going to claim everyone should know everything about it or even watch it - but people who are foreign get automatically dismissed whilst those who people have heard of don't, so often. Case in point - people thinking Bournemouth did better business this summer than Watford. Stellar job he's doing at Newcastle.
Guest ttfn Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 Doubts about Ranieri on the basis of him being a new manager taking over a squad which had ridden the crest of a wave to safety were perhaps reasonable although to my mind severely undervalued a squad which in truth should have been performing to a far higher standard for most of last season anyway. But doubts about Ranieri on the basis of him being old, foreign, the "tinker man" and a "serial failure" are unsurprisingly being proven to be the utter tosh they were. I can't remember is coming back from 2-0 down under Pearson at all apart from that Manchester United game (happy to be proven wrong, no doubt it happened over 250 odd games) and to have done it twice in the first six games demonstrates that far from destroying the togetherness that was supposedly key factor in our survival, Ranieri has at the very least sustained it and in fact appears to have further reinforced it despite the addition of several new players from all over the world. Still plenty of time for it to go wrong and the manner of Pearson's departure was disappointing for a man who did so much for the club but I'm really pleased for Ranieri that he's making a lot of people eat their words.
4ever and ever Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 Doubts about Ranieri on the basis of him being a new manager taking over a squad which had ridden the crest of a wave to safety were perhaps reasonable although to my mind severely undervalued a squad which in truth should have been performing to a far higher standard for most of last season anyway. But doubts about Ranieri on the basis of him being old, foreign, the "tinker man" and a "serial failure" are unsurprisingly being proven to be the utter tosh they were. I can't remember is coming back from 2-0 down under Pearson at all apart from that Manchester United game (happy to be proven wrong, no doubt it happened over 250 odd games) and to have done it twice in the first six games demonstrates that far from destroying the togetherness that was supposedly key factor in our survival, Ranieri has at the very least sustained it and in fact appears to have further reinforced it despite the addition of several new players from all over the world. Still plenty of time for it to go wrong and the manner of Pearson's departure was disappointing for a man who did so much for the club but I'm really pleased for Ranieri that he's making a lot of people eat their words. Liverpool away
Guest Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 Said it elsewhere but the press literally treated him like his only job since Chelsea was Greece. I'm not going to go waffling about him being a 'world class manager' like some did but it was all a bit unfair - no surprise that McClaren, who had in my opinion since February at Derby done only marginally better than Ranieri did at Greece, was being lauded like they'd appointed Guardiola. The ignorance fans and media in this country have to foreign football is shocking. Not going to claim everyone should know everything about it or even watch it - but people who are foreign get automatically dismissed whilst those who people have heard of don't, so often. Case in point - people thinking Bournemouth did better business this summer than Watford. McClaren did a superb job at Derby. Years of going nowhere and they got to within a ball hair of promotion. He was a victim of their expectations incorrectly increasing last season. Absolutely ludicrous to compare that to Greece! He's started badly at Newc mind!
Corky Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 Was surprised when they sacked Pearson at the time but when Ranieri wanted the job I was behind him getting it (partly through not wanting Dyche, Lennon, Preki, Warnock and anyone else mediocre bandied about). He clearly wanted the job too and whilst that shouldn't be the only thing I'm sure it plays a part. He's been great so far and am really enjoying the season. Eight unbeaten, 19 goals scored, couldn't have asked for much more.
Guest ttfn Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 Liverpool away True. Last one I remember before that was Leeds under Sven.
Dan Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 McClaren did a superb job at Derby. Years of going nowhere and they got to within a ball hair of promotion. He was a victim of their expectations incorrectly increasing last season. Absolutely ludicrous to compare that to Greece! He's started badly at Newc mind! The last few months was a total disaster. Most people agree the same time period in 2012/13 was a disaster and we went from 2nd to finishing 6th. They were looking good for the title but they absolutely fell to pieces and didn't even make the top six. He did do well for the time he was there, but I guarantee if it was Ranieri who did that and McClaren who did his job at Greece, that the media emphasis would swing. It's English bias.
Dan Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 True. Last one I remember before that was Leeds under Sven. Could say we came back from two down away at Spurs although we did end up losing that game. My god I hate Mike Dean.
Corky Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 True. Last one I remember before that was Leeds under Sven. Watford in 2013/14.
Wymsey Posted 23 September 2015 Posted 23 September 2015 Am convinced that how well we're doing is down to the staff that were here last season, and only partially from Ranieri.
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