Babylon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 You haven't seen a slowmotion replay of any tackle ever then? You never seen someone kick a ball then? Legs do not bounce off balls, he swung his leg at it and didn't connect properly with the ball. You swing your leg at a ball, the ball is the object doing the bouncing. That's just physics, heavy object connecting with lighter object. His connecting with the ball just changed the direction of the ball and not the other way around.
MPH Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 You never seen someone kick a ball then? Legs do not bounce off balls, he swung his leg at it and didn't connect properly with the ball. You swing your leg at a ball, the ball is the object doing the bouncing. That's just physics, heavy object connecting with lighter object. His connecting with the ball just changed the direction of the ball and not the other way around. And BECAUSE his leg did connect properly, it bounced off it. But the leg still bounces clearly. And babs, it happens in every game when legs/ feet/ boots bounce off of balls. Just because there hasn't been center of gravity contact doesn't meant it they don't bounce off of the ball...
Babylon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 And BECAUSE his leg did connect properly, it bounced off it. But the leg still bounces clearly. And babs, it happens in every game when legs/ feet/ boots bounce off of balls. Just because there hasn't been center of gravity contact doesn't meant it they don't bounce off of the ball... Sorry, but the ball did not change the direction of his leg. The ball hit his heel (at a slow speed) and rolled away in a different direction, his leg carried on straight through in the direction of his leg swing and straightened as he left the ground. The ball wasn't trapped under his leg at any point, that could mean the foot/leg rolled over the top and potentially changed direction. It wasn't blasted against a stationary leg. If you want to believe that, that's entirely up to you.
AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Sorry, but the ball did not change the direction of his leg. The ball hit his heel (at a slow speed) and rolled away in a different direction, his leg carried on straight through in the direction of his leg swing and straightened as he left the ground. The ball wasn't trapped under his leg at any point, that could mean the foot/leg rolled over the top and potentially changed direction. It wasn't blasted against a stationary leg. If you want to believe that, that's entirely up to you. Did you expect him to be able to put his foot literally straight through the ball?
AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 He hit the ball towards the top, the ball then skidded and his foot was raised as a result. It happens when legs are locked straight. Are you on the wind up or do you honestly not see this?
Babylon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Did you expect him to be able to put his foot literally straight through the ball? This makes zero sense.
leicesterseddon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Man United Spurs Everton West Ham Sunderland Manchester City These are Arsenal's six remaining AWAY fixtures in the league. All tough games - even Sunderland could be difficult if they are fighting for their lives. I'm sure some are aware of this - but it's worth pointing out. I can definitely see two, possibly three losses in there for them. IMO I think Spurs are the main threat now - their game v. Arsenal could well be crucial.
AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 This makes zero sense. You've said that his foot couldn't bounce off the ball. Where do you think it's going to go? It bounces of the top of the ball and hits Ramsey on the upper part of his shin. You can't have seen the replay?
Babylon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 You've said that his foot couldn't bounce off the ball. Where do you think it's going to go? It bounces of the top of the ball and hits Ramsey on the upper part of his shin. You can't have seen the replay? Where do I think his legs going to go? In the same direction he aimed it in the first place, he's kicking a football not a brick wall. He badly timed the tackle, put his foot up and almost entirely missed the ball other than it clipping his heel on the way through. His leg as it should follows the path of the swing and straightens as he leaves the ground and locks it. The ball clips he heel and bounces off in another direction. They ball doesn't get trapped under him, which could have caused him to roll over the top and change his direction (still a sending off offence). What's mitigating for him, is that the tackle was aimed directly at the ball and Ramsey came across his line of attempted kick of the ball. But it was still high and dangerous (even if you want to think it changed his direction)
Dan Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 No sour grapes on my part, but I do not feel that I saw an Arsenal side that will be marching towards the Premiership title come May. Their key players - Sanchez, Ozil and Giroud - were poor. Mertesacker, Chambers and Monreal were liabilities by the back (if we had eleven on the pitch, I reckon their fragility would have been exposed). Oxlade-Chamberlain and Ramsey are vastly overrated players, who really should be playing for the likes of Everton and Southampton. I'm not suggesting that we will win it, but I saw nothing today that makes me think that Arsenal will be at the front of the queue. And me - we've handed them three points despite having ten men. At eleven v eleven I don't remember them creating a single chance of significance. They were same old Arsenal as far as I'm concerned.
AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Where do I think his legs going to go? In the same direction he aimed it in the first place, he's kicking a football not a brick wall. He badly timed the tackle, put his foot up and almost entirely missed the ball other than it clipping his heel on the way through. His leg as it should follows the path of the swing and straightens as he leaves the ground and locks it. The ball clips he heel and bounces off in another direction. They ball doesn't get trapped under him, which could have caused him to roll over the top and change his direction (still a sending off offence). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU-_ILR91JE&feature=youtu.be What's mitigating for him, is that the tackle was aimed directly at the ball and Ramsey came across his line of attempted kick of the ball. But it was still high and dangerous (even if you want to think it changed his direction) I can only think you've not seen it or you are on the wind up. He's hit the ball towards the top and his foot has bounced up and planted onto Ramsey's leg. Red or not is up for debate but I don't see any malice in it. It's unfortunate all round. Drinkwater was right to apologise and Ramsey was right to accept it.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 I can only think you've not seen it or you are on the wind up. He's hit the ball towards the top and his foot has bounced up and planted onto Ramsey's leg. Red or not is up for debate but I don't see any malice in it. It's unfortunate all round. Drinkwater was right to apologise and Ramsey was right to accept it. I've posted the other angle in the post you just quoted. The contact was on the side of the ball with his heel. Ignore the ball totally and watch him, his leg, the swing angle and the straighten as he leaves the ground. The leg rises as any leg would when it's swung, the ball just happens to clip him on the slight up part of the swing. He clips the ball with his heel on the edge, it has nothing to do with his leg direction. He's a what, 12st player kicking a ball weighing a few grams and only just clips the ball anyway on the edge.
AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 I've posted the other angle in the post you just quoted. The contact was on the side of the ball with his heel. Ignore the ball totally and watch him, his leg, the swing angle and the straighten as he leaves the ground. The leg rises as any leg would when it's swung, the ball just happens to clip him on the slight up part of the swing. He clips the ball with his heel on the edge, it has nothing to do with his leg direction. He's a what, 12st player kicking a ball weighing a few grams and only just clips the ball anyway on the edge. He was about to hit just above his ankle but he hits the ball first and his foot carries up to his shin. I don't think it's a sending off if the ball isn't there. If he missed the ball then it's a freekick and a yellow. After he hit the ball his foot bounces up and it makes it look worse than it was. That is my point,i don't think you can deny that.
AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Here is the clip Babs seeing as you've clearly not seen it. https://streamable.com/7w9e
Babylon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Here is the clip Babs seeing as you've clearly not seen it. https://streamable.com/7w9e Yeah I've clearly not seen it... even though it's in my post above three above this one.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 He was about to hit just above his ankle but he hits the ball first and his foot carries up to his shin. I don't think it's a sending off if the ball isn't there. If he missed the ball then it's a freekick and a yellow. After he hit the ball his foot bounces up and it makes it look worse than it was. That is my point,i don't think you can deny that. I can deny it and I am. Clipping the ball on the side with your heel isn't going to move you leg one little bit, and most certainly not in an upwards fashion. Swinging you leg on the other hand does and will do that. As i've already said, you believe what you want no skin off my nose.
AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 I can deny it and I am. Clipping the ball on the side with your heel isn't going to move you leg one little bit, and most certainly not in an upwards fashion. Swinging you leg on the other hand does and will do that. As i've already said, you believe what you want no skin off my nose. You cant have seen it though? His foot clearly bounces off the ball. Are you on the wind up or are you overdue a trip to the opticians?
Thracian Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Perhaps he should be sent off in retrospect just to end the argument which seems to have come down to physics more than football. In the light of the way Arsenal's systematic pressurising of the referee seemingly turned his head so dramatically, we should have been given a two-goal handicap start in the first place and Arsenal should consider themselves lucky the tackles weren't genuinely malicious to give their supposedly brittle babies something to really roll over for. There's not many things more lucrative than football but some of the major film-makers should send scouts to the Emirates, there's that much dramatic genius in Wenger's cast.
AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Yeah I've clearly not seen it... even though it's in my post above three above this one. That video has been taken down.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 You cant have seen it though? His foot clearly bounces off the ball. Are you on the wind up or are you overdue a trip to the opticians? Why do you keep saying this shit. I've posted a clear angle showing he only clips the ball on the side. If you think that and not the swing of his leg causes the upwards movement then I can also assume you didn't pay much attention in physics at school
Babylon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 That video has been taken down. It's still in the post and I'm watching it now???!?! Can anyone else see it?
AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 It's still in the post and I'm watching it now???!?! Can anyone else see it?It's been taken down. Why do you keep saying this shit. I've posted a clear angle showing he only clips the ball on the side. If you think that and not the swing of his leg causes the upwards movement then I can also assume you didn't pay much attention in physics at school You can continue to avoid the issue but if you have seen the clip I have posted then you can clearly see the trajectory of Drinkwater leg change when we makes contact with the ball. It's right there in front of you, why are you denying it?
Babylon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 It's been taken down. You can continue to avoid the issue but if you have seen the clip I have posted then you can clearly see the trajectory of Drinkwater leg change when we makes contact with the ball. It's right there in front of you, why are you denying it? Because it doesn't, it's the natural trajectory of his swinging leg. The ball barely touches him, he hits the side of the ball, just as the up part of the swing starts. It's not avoiding the issue, it's common bleeding sense. The end. Believe what you want.
Carl the Llama Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 I suspect it's a bit from column AKCJ and a bit from column Babs. Contact with the ball does raise the trajectory of his ankle slightly, but the initial angle's still higher than AKCJ makes out and with the studs going right in like that you couldn't have had any complaints about a red, accidental or not. It's taken me a few days but I've finally calmed down over the result and let's be honest: We haven't seen playacting and ref goading like that in any of our other games this season, not even Chelsea who are famous for their ref surrounding antics were as bad. If it takes shameless football like that to beat us then I think we're safe for the run-in where we'll mostly be playing teams who actually want to have a game of football.
MPH Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Where do I think his legs going to go? In the same direction he aimed it in the first place, he's kicking a football not a brick wall. He badly timed the tackle, put his foot up and almost entirely missed the ball other than it clipping his heel on the way through. His leg as it should follows the path of the swing and straightens as he leaves the ground and locks it. The ball clips he heel and bounces off in another direction. They ball doesn't get trapped under him, which could have caused him to roll over the top and change his direction (still a sending off offence). What's mitigating for him, is that the tackle was aimed directly at the ball and Ramsey came across his line of attempted kick of the ball. But it was still high and dangerous (even if you want to think it changed his direction) You have to be blind to not see his foot bounce off the ball on that video. I am beginning to think you are employed by Foxestalk with the sole purpose of creating arguments which equals discussion which equals income from the ads!
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