AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Can't believe I've had to even go through that effort. You can ignore it all you like Babs, but his foot has quite clearly bouced off the ball.
AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 I suspect it's a bit from column AKCJ and a bit from column Babs. Contact with the ball does raise the trajectory of his ankle slightly, but the initial angle's still higher than AKCJ makes out and with the studs going right in like that you couldn't have had any complaints about a red, accidental or not. It's taken me a few days but I've finally calmed down over the result and let's be honest: We haven't seen playacting and ref goading like that in any of our other games this season, not even Chelsea who are famous for their ref surrounding antics were as bad. If it takes shameless football like that to beat us then I think we're safe for the run-in where we'll mostly be playing teams who actually want to have a game of football. I agree, I just think it's accidental and there's absolutely no malice in it. It's clumsy, mistimed and unfortunate.
AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 I can see that video now, couldn't see it on my phone for some reason. Said "Video taken down by user".
gooner Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 arsenal fan here good luck for the rest of the season you remind me of our 89 title winning team a proper football team my mate flanno was a leicester die hard but unfortunatley died in a hit and run in leicester last year i worked and played football with him out in gibraltar im sure he has done something to your team! we were at home pressure on the ref etc it happens yes a pen not a sending off,cant see us winning it we will crumble at united at tottenham and i get the feeling we will regret taking 3 points off you lot when tottenham win it. yea 75% of our fans are plums and our manager is a unsporting embarrasment thats why i got a soft spot for you lot good luck lads W
Babylon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Can't believe I've had to even go through that effort. You can ignore it all you like Babs, but his foot has quite clearly bouced off the ball. Congrats, it shows nothing. Do you create twin tower conspiracy theories? It's a swinging leg, the motion was already in place. The leg doesn't deviate from it's original path, which is a swing... ie. Not a straight bloody line, swing your leg... does it get higher along the path of the swing... answer: YES. If you think a ball that weighs 400 grams moving at slow speed is going to move the direction of leg with the full 76200 grams of weight behind it you are off your rocker. He merely flicks the ball for goodness sake. You are seemingly totally ignoring the other forces in play other than ball and foot. It's like saying a car "bounced" off a person into a ditch. Totally ignoring the physical impossibilities of it, the forces already at play prior to contact that set the car on that course.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 You have to be blind to not see his foot bounce off the ball on that video. I am beginning to think you are employed by Foxestalk with the sole purpose of creating arguments which equals discussion which equals income from the ads! And you'd have to be not great at physics to think a 12 stone man jumping at a ball of air is going to be moved to that degree by it just weakly clipping his heel.
AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Congrats, it shows nothing. Do you create twin tower conspiracy theories? It's a swinging leg, the motion was already in place. The leg doesn't deviate from it's original path, which is a swing... ie. Not a straight bloody line, swing your leg... does it get higher along the path of the swing... answer: YES. If you think a ball that weighs 400 grams moving at slow speed is going to move the direction of leg with the full 76200 grams of weight behind it you are off your rocker. He merely flicks the ball for goodness sake. You are seemingly totally ignoring the other forces in play other than ball and foot. It's like saying a car "bounced" off a person into a ditch. Totally ignoring the physical impossibilities of it, the forces already at play prior to contact. I give up. You can think what you like, i'll just keep my opinion based on the evidence in front of me. Next time you see a football, stamp on it. See if your foot bounces or not. Then imagine doing that much, much faster with more power with less weight behind it.
thybluefox Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 I give up. You can think what you like, i'll just keep my opinion based on the evidence in front of me. Next time you see a football, stamp on it. See if your foot bounces or not. Then imagine doing that much, much faster with more power with less weight behind it. I don't often agree with Babs, but sorry AKCJ but you're wrong. DD isn't stamping directly on top of the ball. His direction of movement means he clips the ball with his heel almost side on. However, I don't think its a red, and the more I watch it the more it looks like a Ramsey dive. Undeniable contact, but he's gone down expecting it.
AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 And you'd have to be not great at physics to think a 12 stone man jumping at a ball of air is going to be moved to that degree by it just weakly clipping his heel. You'd be correct if the ball clips his ankle in mid air. But the ball is on the floor and his ankle hits the top of it, forcing the ball into the ground and his ankle in the opposite direction. You'd have to be not great at physics to think otherwise.
MPH Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 And you'd have to be not great at physics to think a 12 stone man jumping at a ball of air is going to be moved to that degree by it just weakly clipping his heel. Speaking of not being great at physics...... Why is it for an object to be considered 'bouncing off' something, that item has to have a trajectory of almost 90 degrees?
Babylon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 I give up. You can think what you like, i'll just keep my opinion based on the evidence in front of me. Next time you see a football, stamp on it. See if your foot bounces or not. Then imagine doing that much, much faster with more power with less weight behind it. The ball isn't fixed to the ground and he doesn't stamp on it does he. Stamping on the ball with the ground directly beneath it, is totally different to hitting the side of the ball. One has the mass of the who earth behind it... the other has fresh air and little resistance. If he rolled over the top of the ball, trapping the ball between his leg and the earth then it's possible to change his direction. But that did not happen as clearly shown in the video. The ball flicked his heel, that's it.
AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 The ball isn't fixed to the ground and he doesn't stamp on it does he. Stamping on the ball with the ground directly beneath it, is totally different to hitting the side of the ball. One has the mass of the who earth behind it... the other has fresh air and little resistance. If he rolled over the top of the ball, trapping the ball between his leg and the earth then it's possible to change his direction. But that did not happen as clearly shown in the video. The ball flicked his heel, that's it. What are you watching? Look at the first still i've posted and tell me, with a straight face, that the ball isn't planted on the floor.
Carl the Llama Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 The ball affects the arc of the swing, not massively because he wasn't swinging down towards the ground but the deviation is visibly noticeable and that's all I'm going to add to this debate because it's gotten very circular.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 You'd be correct if the ball clips his ankle in mid air. But the ball is on the floor and his ankle hits the top of it, forcing the ball into the ground and his ankle in the opposite direction. You'd have to be not great at physics to think otherwise. It doesn't touch his ankle, it clips his heel on the SIDE of the ball. At no point is the balled wedged between him and the ground. The forces are all side on and not downwards.
Manwell Pablo Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Dreadful tackle, serious blue tinted specs on trying to defend it, even Drinkwater has apologised.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 What are you watching? Look at the first still i've posted and tell me, with a straight face, that the ball isn't planted on the floor. Jesus christ, you asked me to stamp on a stationary ball. That isn't what happens in the video. The ball is bobbling across the ground and he DOESN'T stamp on it. He clips the edge of it. Go and kick a football on the side. Does your leg shoot off in another direction after kicking a bag of wind... no.
MPH Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Jesus christ, you asked me to stamp on a stationary ball. That isn't what happens in the video. The ball is bobbling across the ground and he DOESN'T stamp on it. He clips the edge of it. Go and kick a football on the side. Does your leg shoot off in another direction after kicking a bag of wind... no. Seeing as you were the one who mentioned physics.... You need to remember that this isn't a plot of position vs. time, it's velocity vs. time...
Manwell Pablo Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Seeing as you were the one who mentioned physics.... You need to remember that this isn't a plot of position vs. time, it's velocity vs. time... OMG It's just a shit tackle. he got away with it, we still lost. deservedly so, lets move on.
AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Jesus christ, you asked me to stamp on a stationary ball. That isn't what happens in the video. The ball is bobbling across the ground and he DOESN'T stamp on it. He clips the edge of it. Go and kick a football on the side. Does your leg shoot off in another direction after kicking a bag of wind... no. You're unbelievable. I does happen in the video, because we can all clearly see it does. He doesn't "clip" it either. He's running full speed and he hits the top of it. You're arguing for arguments sake.
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 He'll be tried for Drinkslaughter That's drink slaughter. Not drinks laughter.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 You're unbelievable. I does happen in the video, because we can all clearly see it does. He doesn't "clip" it either. He's running full speed and he hits the top of it. You're arguing for arguments sake. Have you actually watched the video I posted. He does not touch the top of the ball. Contact is with the side of the ball... I could add some red lines to these if it makes you feel better.
AKCJ Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Congratulations. You've posted 4 stills before Drinkwater even touches the ball. Look at the first picture i've posted and tell me he's not hit the ball on the top. The ball is compressed into the ground ffs.
NewquayFox Posted 16 February 2016 Posted 16 February 2016 Decent comments Gooner, just knew Arsenal were going to score but in the 5th minute of the added 4 minutes was tough. Someone certainly had a word in Atkinsons ear st half time and I genuinely think he was a poor choice for such a high profile game. Shows you how far we have come when the majority of ou fans are disappointed at losing 2.1 away to Arsenal while playing most of the 2nd half with 10 men. Biggest disappointment for me was the way the Arsenal players were begging the Ref to book City players and feel a lot of neutral fans will have turned against Wenger and his team... Up the City....
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