Racism

[Craigsmith1995]

Hi,

I am university student and I am forming a project on current issues on racism. The areas I look to cover is 'Social media effect on racism' 'Fans perceptions on racism' and 'Any fan experience of racist abuse (online or in stadiums)' I look to cover a good discussion on this page so would be appreciated for you guys to comment your views and experiences!

Many thanks.

[DB11]

If you just want to copy things from a forum then use the search feature http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&section=search&do=search&fromsearch=1

 

Or ask a specific question

 

Or put up a survey

 

You're kind of just coming across very lazy asking people to do your project for you

[Craigsmith1995]

If you just want to copy things from a forum then use the search feature http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&section=search&do=search&fromsearch=1

 

Or ask a specific question

 

Or put up a survey

 

You're kind of just coming across very lazy asking people to do your project for you

I appreciate that however, I cannot find a good source of information by using the 'search feature' also survey provide answers which lack depth. My role is to create a discussion online so I can see what other fans perceptions on racism.

[Countryfox]

 so I can see what other fans perceptions on racism.

 

 

Easy.  Its black and white to me.

[Captain...]

I appreciate that however, I cannot find a good source of information by using the 'search feature' also survey provide answers which lack depth. My role is to create a discussion online so I can see what other fans perceptions on racism.

 

First off, why here? Why on this forum? Are you specifically looking at experiences of Leicester fans? If so why?

 

Discussion needs input, you would probably be better asking a direct question such as:

 

Has anyone here been racially abused at a football match?

 

Or which opposition fans are the most racist?

 

Or you could focus on Vardy being a racist, that will get a lot of responses, or asking what terms are racist, such as Spurs fans using the terms "yid", or search out the Suarez Evra thread.

[Merging Cultures]

Check out #rhodesmustfall on twitter and reddit.com/r/southafrica

 

As a white guy living in Africa, with a mixed race son born in SA, the whole 'wokeness' movement is really disturbing.

[MPH]

Check out #rhodesmustfall on twitter and reddit.com/r/southafrica

 

As a white guy living in Africa, with a mixed race son born in SA, the whole 'wokeness' movement is really disturbing.

 

 

Have you found any change in Attitudes depending on the country/ area you have been in?

[Finnaldo]

Check out #rhodesmustfall on twitter and reddit.com/r/southafrica

 

As a white guy living in Africa, with a mixed race son born in SA, the whole 'wokeness' movement is really disturbing.

 

What is the 'wokeness' stuff, I just can't get my head around it.

[Craigsmith1995]

First off, why here? Why on this forum? Are you specifically looking at experiences of Leicester fans? If so why?

 

Discussion needs input, you would probably be better asking a direct question such as:

 

Has anyone here been racially abused at a football match?

 

Or which opposition fans are the most racist?

 

Or you could focus on Vardy being a racist, that will get a lot of responses, or asking what terms are racist, such as Spurs fans using the terms "yid", or search out the Suarez Evra thread.

No reason what clubs I have chosen. I have been active on 3 other football forums without a problem. I listed topic areas where fans can apply their knowledge to them areas 'social media' or 'any experiences' which gets the discussion started.

[Fox92]

If you just want to copy things from a forum then use the search feature http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&section=search&do=search&fromsearch=1

 

Or ask a specific question

 

Or put up a survey

 

You're kind of just coming across very lazy asking people to do your project for you

 

 

First off, why here? Why on this forum? Are you specifically looking at experiences of Leicester fans? If so why?

 

Discussion needs input, you would probably be better asking a direct question such as:

 

Has anyone here been racially abused at a football match?

 

Or which opposition fans are the most racist?

 

Or you could focus on Vardy being a racist, that will get a lot of responses, or asking what terms are racist, such as Spurs fans using the terms "yid", or search out the Suarez Evra thread.

 

Poor kid getting a lecture on FoxesTalk.

[Rincewind]

You may be better looking in the News and Current Affairs section. You will find a wide range views on different races and cultures.

[Merging Cultures]

Have you found any change in Attitudes depending on the country/ area you have been in?

 

In the Leicester, I guess there was somewhat overt racism to Asians, which we probably all grew up with (at least those of us 30+), in London, I didn't really experience or remember any, but I am white and privileged.

 

In Tanzania, I was the boss man. They definitely respected me, even though I was just 21 and didn't have any experience, so I know it was largely to do with my colour. This was quite intoxicating to be honest, and is probably part of the reason I continue to live in Africa.

 

In Liberia, again boss man status, so it was easy. I didn't experience racism personally. And while I was riding my white privilege some more, I think I continued to treat people with respect.

 

The US, we had quite a bit of racism thrown at us. Especially regards my hot black wife dating a chubby white guy. Many 'street' black guys didn't like that and would say something. We have a good mix of black and white friends, and generally we didn't have a problem. I would often take the bus to work in Baltimore. My wife hated that, she was convinced I'd get stabbed!

 

In Lesotho, I wasn't working in an office, so it was a different experience to Tz and Liberia, I wasnt a boss, I had to go out and make friends. I never experienced any racism in Lesotho. I made some good Masotho friends. In Bloemfontein, a mid-SA city near Lesotho, we ended up at TripAdvisors best restaurant. Even the pot washer was white. My wife didn't feel so comfortable! While people looked at us, we were served well.

 

In Cape Town, we have a great time. It is very mixed and metropolitan. We've never had a problem. Lots of mixed couples there. It is sad to see the students rioting. They don't know how privileged they are.

 

Zambia, now there are a lot of old time expat Brits here, many married to Zambian women. But they are racist as heck. They really do see the locals as below them. It is terrible. We again quickly find young mixed race couples and settle well! We have lots of SA friends here too, and not a problem.

 

I think I genuinely try not to judge people by skin colour. But there have been times, especially in Baltimore, when I have been frustrated with how slow, or how differently, Black people did things. I think part of that was adjusting to a 'similar but very different' culture. It took me time to adapt to the US, and in some of that time, I really did get pissed off and my inner racist chimed up at times. I talked it through with some people and that helped!

[Merging Cultures]

What is the 'wokeness' stuff, I just can't get my head around it.

 

In SA it simply is a black pride movement. They are trying to remove all vestiges of 'whiteness'. Last night they were burning paintings from Uni of Cape Town, and they burnt a bus that helps students without vehicles get around (it isn't very rational). Black students in Wits uni have worn 'Fvck white people' and 'kill all whites' t-shirts, they've tagged this around the campus too. With 'wokeness' they are using the academic interpretation of racism, and they say that black people can't be racist.

 

#rhodesmustfall is pretty much leading the movement, they support EFF and land redistribution. Clearly no one has learnt from Zimbabwe.

[Les-TA-Jon]

What level are you working at, at University? Undergraduate presumably? Is this for a dissertation or.....? 

 

If it's for anything higher up, you're in serious danger of a breach of research ethics - FYI

[Finnaldo]

In SA it simply is a black pride movement. They are trying to remove all vestiges of 'whiteness'. Last night they were burning paintings from Uni of Cape Town, and they burnt a bus that helps students without vehicles get around (it isn't very rational). Black students in Wits uni have worn 'Fvck white people' and 'kill all whites' t-shirts, they've tagged this around the campus too. With 'wokeness' they are using the academic interpretation of racism, and they say that black people can't be racist.

 

#rhodesmustfall is pretty much leading the movement, they support EFF and land redistribution. Clearly no one has learnt from Zimbabwe.

 

Ah, thought as much. It seems from what I could find on it, it was used to justify whatever social 'justice' campaign they have going as common sense. It's a shame we can't move forward as a people instead of as races   

[Craigsmith1995]

What level are you working at, at University? Undergraduate presumably? Is this for a dissertation or.....? 

 

If it's for anything higher up, you're in serious danger of a breach of research ethics - FYI

First year, it's all been confirmed that I can do this however it clearly hasn't worked on this page but has elsewhere. I'll just get the post removed

[Les-TA-Jon]

First year, it's all been confirmed that I can do this however it clearly hasn't worked on this page but has elsewhere. I'll just get the post removed

 

I'd start a new thread. You need to be clearer about who you are, what you're doing, what questions you're asking, what you're trying to find out, how you're going to use the data etc etc. 

 

You won't get far, simply posting on a forum saying: "Racism - thoughts?"

[Merging Cultures]

Ah, thought as much. It seems from what I could find on it, it was used to justify whatever social 'justice' campaign they have going as common sense. It's a shame we can't move forward as a people instead of as races   

 

Great question, and it is really something we can't understand until we understand 'white privilege' (it does exist!).

 

For white guys, we just do not have to consider our race. It isn't something that we think about constantly. For many black people, it really is. It is difficult for us to get, but if we get pulled over by the police, we don't instantly think it is because we are white... many black people do think that, and often unfortunately, they are right. Without BEE in SA, black people would continue to be disadvantaged. The problem right now is how it is being implemented. Instead of raising black people up through education etc, there are quotas on the number of black people to be employed. So now, you end up with a weaker business, which benefits no one. If they could raise people up to be equal, and cherry pick people based on skills and capacity, rather than race, then the economy would boom. But the ANC promised so much, and hasn't delivered, so they deflect it on to apartheid, to avoid how after 20 years they have really let the whole country down.

 

So, race is still really important, I am fortunate that I do not have to consider it.

[Captain...]

No reason what clubs I have chosen. I have been active on 3 other football forums without a problem. I listed topic areas where fans can apply their knowledge to them areas 'social media' or 'any experiences' which gets the discussion started.

 

Why so secretive? You have to understand as a forum this is quite a widely used forum, with many users and a very active general chat that has covered race issues to death many times, there is a reason for this one of them is due to the ethnic make up of Leicester, and some people don't want to re-open that can of worms, others can't be arsed to go into it again. You've still  not specified what you want to achieve, is it specifically about Leicester? If not why come on here and not general football forum with a wider and more diverse membership?

 

Poor kid getting a lecture on FoxesTalk.

 

It's not a lecture it's advise, you want to stimulate debate you need input, you want input you need a direct question, not an indirect question which is very easy to ignore. you also need to give a little in terms of background and input. There will be a lot of people on here with a lot of experience and well thought out opinions, but you are not going to find that with this approach. 

 

 

First year, it's all been confirmed that I can do this however it clearly hasn't worked on this page but has elsewhere. I'll just get the post removed

 

If you are going to be defeatist about it and ignore the advice given then you're probably not going to do very well at uni. 

 

Take the advice given above, give a bit more background, form a direct question and see if you have more success.

 

There will be plenty on here willing to tell of their stories, of Leicester fans and opposing fans being racist, and give you a run down of the worst offenders, Bristol, Leeds, Millwall. You just have to ask the right question in the right way...

[Finnegan]

In SA it simply is a black pride movement. They are trying to remove all vestiges of 'whiteness'. Last night they were burning paintings from Uni of Cape Town, and they burnt a bus that helps students without vehicles get around (it isn't very rational). Black students in Wits uni have worn 'Fvck white people' and 'kill all whites' t-shirts, they've tagged this around the campus too. With 'wokeness' they are using the academic interpretation of racism, and they say that black people can't be racist.

#rhodesmustfall is pretty much leading the movement, they support EFF and land redistribution. Clearly no one has learnt from Zimbabwe.

I wonder if they appreciate the irony that as they grow in influence and power and become a dominant majority, only their actions will be perceived by their own logic as racist.

[Merging Cultures]

I wonder if they appreciate the irony that as they grow in influence and power and become a dominant majority, only their actions will be perceived by their own logic as racist.

The goal post gets moved. It's economic dominance now as most businesses and wealth are white owned. But yeah, they have the political power to lift up the country instead they bring it down.

[Finnaldo]

Great question, and it is really something we can't understand until we understand 'white privilege' (it does exist!).

 

For white guys, we just do not have to consider our race. It isn't something that we think about constantly. For many black people, it really is. It is difficult for us to get, but if we get pulled over by the police, we don't instantly think it is because we are white... many black people do think that, and often unfortunately, they are right. Without BEE in SA, black people would continue to be disadvantaged. The problem right now is how it is being implemented. Instead of raising black people up through education etc, there are quotas on the number of black people to be employed. So now, you end up with a weaker business, which benefits no one. If they could raise people up to be equal, and cherry pick people based on skills and capacity, rather than race, then the economy would boom. But the ANC promised so much, and hasn't delivered, so they deflect it on to apartheid, to avoid how after 20 years they have really let the whole country down.

 

So, race is still really important, I am fortunate that I do not have to consider it.

 

I definitely understand where you're coming from, in fact I watched a video the day on Jane Elliott and her notorious 'Brown Eye, Blue Eye' exercise. Very interesting watch and it was disappointing how many (white) people were still in denial about the societal advantage they have. A mixed race guy explained how he went out his way to sound and act as if he was White British to avoid stereotypes, and how he avoided picking his daughter up from school (whose mother was white and was fair skinned for a mixed heritage girl) to avoid prejudices towards her daughter, as he reckoned most people at the school thought she was white. A white woman who was apparently a teacher compared this to her husband having to wear a suit for his job when he preferred dressing casually. The most chilling thing from it was that she was a school teacher and when a black girl fell over and scraped herself she was surprised she was pink underneath! It was recorded about five years ago!

 

My grandad on my dad's side was Irish and my grandad's family on my mum's side was Czech, my stepdad (who I've known since I'd just started school) is half-Spanish and I used to go over every summer to see hsi Spanish family or at least every other summer, whilst my stepmum is Polish and I've been to visit her family. No racial difference per se but I never judge on colour or creed because it would simply be hypocritical. I find it sad on both fronts that some white people can't see there's a massive racial and social division in places like the US and South Africa, and a lot more subtle but still visible division in the UK, and that some black people feel that it's some mass white conspiracy and that all white people are evil or completely ignorant of the situation. 

[MPH]

The goal post gets moved. It's economic dominance now as most businesses and wealth are white owned. But yeah, they have the political power to lift up the country instead they bring it down.

 

 

 As an outsider who is detached from all of it, i cant help but feel like the origins of the movement are entirely justified. Nothing makes my blood boil more than reading about the Boers and apartheid in general. Needless to say the movement then gets infiltrated and turned in a completely different direction to its ( probable)early  good intentions.

[MPH]

I definitely understand where you're coming from, in fact I watched a video the day on Jane Elliott and her notorious 'Brown Eye, Blue Eye' exercise. Very interesting watch and it was disappointing how many (white) people were still in denial about the societal advantage they have. A mixed race guy explained how he went out his way to sound and act as if he was White British to avoid stereotypes, and how he avoided picking his daughter up from school (whose mother was white and was fair skinned for a mixed heritage girl) to avoid prejudices towards her daughter, as he reckoned most people at the school thought she was white. A white woman who was apparently a teacher compared this to her husband having to wear a suit for his job when he preferred dressing casually. The most chilling thing from it was that she was a school teacher and when a black girl fell over and scraped herself she was surprised she was pink underneath! It was recorded about five years ago!

 

My grandad on my dad's side was Irish and my grandad's family on my mum's side was Czech, my stepdad (who I've known since I'd just started school) is half-Spanish and I used to go over every summer to see hsi Spanish family or at least every other summer, whilst my stepmum is Polish and I've been to visit her family. No racial difference per se but I never judge on colour or creed because it would simply be hypocritical. I find it sad on both fronts that some white people can't see there's a massive racial and social division in places like the US and South Africa, and a lot more subtle but still visible division in the UK, and that some black people feel that it's some mass white conspiracy and that all white people are evil or completely ignorant of the situation. 

 

 

 

I remember watching a tv show that checked peoples reactions to certain situations... who would react to a woman losing her ring.. who would help an old lady? who would help a pretty young lady.... that kind of thing.

 

 

But the most fascinating 'experiment' was based around a bicycle locked up in a park. They showed a white kid trying to break the chain off. Got a few shifty looks and then they showed a black kid trying to break the chain off. Well he was obviously upto no good and got apprehended several times by member of the public and the police called on him too....

[Finnegan]

Here's another point in life you should not miss

Do not be a fool who's prejudiced

Because we're all written down on the same list

It's like that and that's the way it is