Outgoings?

[themightyfin]

How is he a tool FFS for stating the obvious?

1) Schmeichel

2) Zieler

3) Simpson

4) Hernandez

5) Wasilewski

6) Huth

7) Morgan

8) Fuchs

9) Chilwell

10) Keane ????????????

11) Mendy

12) Drinkwater

13) Kante

14) King

15) James

16) Amartey

17) Albrighton

18) Schlupp

19) Gray

20) Mahrez

21) Musa

22) Vardy

23) Luan ???????????

24) Ulloa

25) Okazaki

There's a 25 man squad there, then we still have:

26) Hamer

27) Benalouane

28) Moore

29) De Laet

30) inler

31) Lawrence

That's not including youth players who have first team experience like Dodoo. To say we have a small squad is ridiculous and untrue.

Chilwell and Gray dont count...Keane and Luan are not even Leicester ciry players and Hanes will not get a place in the 25 as his fitness is unproven that's 4 spaces left at least if your saying we can then do without Albrighton Leo and Okazaki t leaves us with a very very thin squad.

None of these 3 players you keep going on about can we afford to let go

That played a major part in us winning the league you really need to go back to your bedroom and stick to FM when your mum lets you on it.

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

Gray is still a U21. So is Chilwell. That's 2 extra spaces on your list.

[themightyfin]

IMHO BS

IMHO..BS

IMHO..BS. to you all, if the club decides to keep him...he will prove you all wrong.

Another player some want to ditch, so far the posters with negatives to the right/left

have been losing their creds over the last 3 seasons.

Thank god we have Ranieri..

Read the comments I made.... I did state I hope I'm proved wrong.

What I said is my opinion

IMHO BS? Great points made there my friend very wise words you speak

[FireFox]

I thought this was a thread about outgoings? But are we gonna be assuming Keane and Luan are incoming?

[MC Prussian]

How is he a tool FFS for stating the obvious?

 

1) Schmeichel

2) Zieler

3) Simpson

4) Hernandez

5) Wasilewski

6) Huth

7) Morgan

8) Fuchs

9) Chilwell

10) Keane ????????????

11) Mendy

12) Drinkwater

13) Kante

14) King

15) James

16) Amartey

17) Albrighton

18) Schlupp

19) Gray

20) Mahrez

21) Musa

22) Vardy

23) Luan ???????????

24) Ulloa

25) Okazaki

 

There's a 25 man squad there, then we still have:

 

26) Hamer

27) Benalouane

28) Moore

29) De Laet

30) inler

31) Lawrence

 

That's not including youth players who have first team experience like Dodoo. To say we have a small squad is ridiculous and untrue.

 

You'd have a point if the transfer window was shut - up until the end of August, we'll have to wait and see how things develop. Could well be that five, six players might leave for sure (Kanté, Chilwell, De Laet, Moore, Inler), others on loan (Hamer, Lawrence) and suddenly, we're then looking short in some departments. A potentially highly precarious situation.

 

You also talk about as if Keane and Luan have already joined, which isn't the case. That leaves 29 players as of right now at max. We don't know whether James if fully fit again and Benalouane is an odd case (no injury updates in a while).

[DB11]

Was only a loan deal.

 

And they're not gonna want him back either

[Gerard]

Chilwell and Gray dont count...Keane and Luan are not even Leicester ciry players and Hanes will not get a place in the 25 as his fitness is unproven that's 4 spaces left at least if your saying we can then do without Albrighton Leo and Okazaki t leaves us with a very very thin squad.

None of these 3 players you keep going on about can we afford to let go

That played a major part in us winning the league you really need to go back to your bedroom and stick to FM when your mum lets you on it.

 

You do realise that having a 25 man squad isn't mandatory?

 

I don't care if Chilwell or Gray doesn't count, they are fully fledged first team squad players, there age is irrelevant.

 

We haven't got Luan or Keane but there is still seven weeks until the deadline and it's obvious we're in the market for a centre half and another attacking player.

 

I never said we should be getting rid of Okazaki, Ulloa or Albrighton but I did say I don't think we would refuse decent offers for them as Okazaki and Ulloa are 30 and neither will be in the first team and it's good business to sell 30 year old strikers that aren't in the first team for decent offers. If we play 4-3-3 then Albrighton becomes less effective and I'm sure we'd be receptive to a decent offer.

 

I'm not saying we should be actively getting rid of any of these three but the more quality signings we bring in that compete for their positions then something has to give. You can't keep stockpiling players out of loyalty when they get pushed further down the pecking order, at some point something has to give and it's only prudent to cash in.

[Gerard]

You'd have a point if the transfer window was shut - up until the end of August, we'll have to wait and see how things develop. Could well be that five, six players might leave for sure (Kanté, Chilwell, De Laet, Moore, Inler), others on loan (Hamer, Lawrence) and suddenly, we're then looking short in some departments. A potentially highly precarious situation.

 

You also talk about as if Keane and Luan have already joined, which isn't the case. That leaves 29 players as of right now at max. We don't know whether James if fully fit again and Benalouane is an odd case (no injury updates in a while).

 

I agree with this more or less. I've not said we should be stripping the playing staff down but if we bring in Luan and an expensive centre half then those pushed to the bottom of the pile that it would be prudent to sell if we get a decent offer. It's about evolution of the squad and when you have a certain number it's almost a one in one out situation.

[Sampson]

You do realise that having a 25 man squad isn't mandatory?

I don't care if Chilwell or Gray doesn't count, they are fully fledged first team squad players, there age is irrelevant.

We haven't got Luan or Keane but there is still seven weeks until the deadline and it's obvious we're in the market for a centre half and another attacking player.

I never said we should be getting rid of Okazaki, Ulloa or Albrighton but I did say I don't think we would refuse decent offers for them as Okazaki and Ulloa are 30 and neither will be in the first team and it's good business to sell 30 year old strikers that aren't in the first team for decent offers. If we play 4-3-3 then Albrighton becomes less effective and I'm sure we'd be receptive to a decent offer.

I'm not saying we should be actively getting rid of any of these three but the more quality signings we bring in that compete for their positions then something has to give. You can't keep stockpiling players out of loyalty when they get pushed further down the pecking order, at some point something has to give and it's only prudent to cash in.

But the point is that you're creating your own cast iron "pecking order" before we've even seen if the new players adapt.

It's nothing to do with loyalty it's just not being stupid enough to assume just because we've signed a couple of players it automatically means these new players are going to adapt and push the other players down the pecking order before we've even seen them and why would get rid of these players who've shown they are part of perfectly balanced side even if it's just a chant to "fall back on".

This isn't Football Manager! Players aren't just attribute numbers on a screen. The idea that you just go out and buy to "upgrade" on players and then that pushes other players down a pecking order so you sell them off isn't how real life football works.

Players go in and out of form from season to season. Who knew Morgan was capable of this season before it started? Who thought Inler would barely make the bench?

Where were Simpson or Drinkwater in your "pecking order" last summer? Where was Vardy 3 summers ago?

Trying to create some cast iron pecking order and shipping out players from our current first choice XI because we've signed some players who in computer games are "upgrades" on them so let's ship them out is crazy when much of our success is based on great tactical organisation and great team spirit.

It's exactly what Hodgson tried to do for England - just get the biggest name players and shove them all into a system and hope it works - but we already know we have a line-up and system which we know *does* work - why would we get rid of that even as an option just because we've spent big money on bigger name international players just assuming they'll all work together?

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

Being in Champions League, and defending a title for that matter, means having a strong bench. This is especially true for a manager who historically likes to make a run at Cups. Seriously, look at the fixture list: you are going to have to sub some players, or the starters are going to drop.

Ulloa and Okazaki might not start a lot next season, but what team is going to make an offer where they would likely be starting? I think both would rather play a role with us next season than start - maybe - in the Championship. Their wage bill isn't that high, especially compared to what we are going to be paying anyone new who comes in.

[themightyfin]

You do realise that having a 25 man squad isn't mandatory?

I don't care if Chilwell or Gray doesn't count, they are fully fledged first team squad players, there age is irrelevant.

We haven't got Luan or Keane but there is still seven weeks until the deadline and it's obvious we're in the market for a centre half and another attacking player.

I never said we should be getting rid of Okazaki, Ulloa or Albrighton but I did say I don't think we would refuse decent offers for them as Okazaki and Ulloa are 30 and neither will be in the first team and it's good business to sell 30 year old strikers that aren't in the first team for decent offers. If we play 4-3-3 then Albrighton becomes less effective and I'm sure we'd be receptive to a decent offer.

I'm not saying we should be actively getting rid of any of these three but the more quality signings we bring in that compete for their positions then something has to give. You can't keep stockpiling players out of loyalty when they get pushed further down the pecking order, at some point something has to give and it's only prudent to cash in.

You just totally killed your own argument

[Gerard]

You just totally killed your own argument

 

Don't talk like an absolute arse, I've already said I'd only sell Okazaki, Ulloa and Albrighton for decent offers, not get rid of them at any opportunity.

 

We will probably have nine players competing for three positions:

 

One Centre Forward

Vardy

Musa

Luan ???????????

Ulloa

Okazaki

 

Two Wide Forwards

Mahrez

Musa

Luan ???????????

Gray

Schlupp

Albrighton

 

The above is the order I would guess they would be preferred.

 

You are reading what you want to read not what I have written. Offers around the £10m mark would be great business for us to sell 30 year old strikers who may struggle to even make the bench most games next season.

[Gerard]

But the point is that you're creating your own cast iron "pecking order" before we've even seen if the new players adapt.

It's nothing to do with loyalty it's just not being stupid enough to assume just because we've signed a couple of players it automatically means these new players are going to adapt and push the other players down the pecking order before we've even seen them and why would get rid of these players who've shown they are part of perfectly balanced side even if it's just a chant to "fall back on".

This isn't Football Manager! Players aren't just attribute numbers on a screen. The idea that you just go out and buy to "upgrade" on players and then that pushes other players down a pecking order so you sell them off isn't how real life football works.

Players go in and out of form from season to season. Who knew Morgan was capable of this season before it started? Who thought Inler would barely make the bench?

Where were Simpson or Drinkwater in your "pecking order" last summer? Where was Vardy 3 summers ago?

Trying to create some cast iron pecking order and shipping out players from our current first choice XI because we've signed some players who in computer games are "upgrades" on them so let's ship them out is crazy when much of our success is based on great tactical organisation and great team spirit.

It's exactly what Hodgson tried to do for England - just get the biggest name players and shove them all into a system and hope it works - but we already know we have a line-up and system which we know *does* work - why would we get rid of that even as an option just because we've spent big money on bigger name international players just assuming they'll all work together?

 

I'm fully aware this isn't Football Manager, i don't need to be patronised. 

 

We also can have a little faith in our record signings that they will be an upgrade on the present personnel. You can't keep hold of players just because they might improve or their replacements aren't up to scratch. You assess their value to the current squad and estimate how much playing time they will likely get and how much will it cost to keep them. For example selling a 30 year old Okazaki for £10m and buying 23 year Musa for £16.5m is probably going to be good business.

 

You can't play ultra safe in the transfer business otherwise you'd never get rid of anybody in case they came good. Once you get a certain amount of quality squad players it has to be one in one out and you make your choices. we can't have 30+ players who originally joined Leicester because they thought they'd be in the first team.

[WigstonWanderer]

18 months ago 90% of the people here would have assumed that Kramaric would be an upgrade on the players we had at the time.

Surely it makes sense to hold our title winners and last season's tactics in place until we know we have a new system & players that work out. We can always sell any surplus requirements in January.

[themightyfin]

18 months ago 90% of the people here would have assumed that Kramaric would be an upgrade on the players we had at the time.

Surely it makes sense to hold our title winners and last season's tactics in place until we know we have a new system & players that work out. We can always sell any surplus requirements in January.

This and from what has been said on here by multiple people is more or less the same just seems Mr Gerrard has a different view on his own.

Some people however just will not listen when they think they alone are right I suppose

[Babylon]

It looks like I'm swimming against the tide on this one. 

 

If 4-3-3 is our stock formation then Okazaki or Ulloa can only play one position in that team and Vardy and Musa would be ahead of them. Assuming we sign Luan then he might be ahead of them as well as he often plays a "false 9". I would guess our strategy at this moment in time would be to sell one of Okazaki or Ulloa and keep the other as a squad player. As I've said before it's good business to sell 30 year old strikers for good money if they aren't going to play in the first team too often.

 

As for Albrighton I'd happily keep him but I believe if we got a good offer for him we'd sell him. Im a 4-3-3 he can play two of those positions but he doesn't really suit the wide forward role, I would suggest Mahrez, Musa, Schlupp, Gray and Luan would all be ahead of him and far better suited to playing the wide forward role. Albrighton would be a good sub for Mahrez if we want to hold onto a lead but I don't see him starting too much in a 4-3-3. I think we'll keep Albrighton as he has a lot of uses in a 4-4-2 and keeps the team well balanced in that formation playing the defensive winger role.

 

I appreciate a lot of you want to show loyalty to players who won us the league but every player needs to be evaluated and asked what does he bring to the squad and what is he worth in monetary terms in the market? 

I think the switch in formations will be done as evolution rather than revolution, ie. we'll test the water with it first before chucking away a load of ingredients that made 4-4-2 work. So I can't see is being quick to sell anyone off. Except for those who were barely even in contention come end of last year. Benny, Moore, Inler (even he might get a reprieve if we go to a 3).

[Mad Dog]

Just look at the photos coming out of Austria - James looks so out of shape. There is absolutely no chance he makes a league appearance for us this season. Would surely be better for him as well as us for him to move on to try and get his career back on track.

[filbertstreet]

Just look at the photos coming out of Austria - James looks so out of shape. There is absolutely no chance he makes a league appearance for us this season. Would surely be better for him as well as us for him to move on to try and get his career back on track.

only saw him quick in the drinky interview but he didn't look too bad, hopefully he catches up by end of preseason/goes on loan, don't want him to go

[MC Prussian]

What are the chances of Derby "getting" some of our "fringe" players this summer, either on loan or on a permanent deal?

[Ecdysiast]

How is Okazaki our weak link? His fierce workrate defensively up front for 60 mins every game allowed us to play play our system and allowed Vardy and Mahrzez to cash in and score. Not to mention a few  important goals. He ran himself into the ground every game to make space for the others. No weak link he....

[Gerard]

How is Okazaki our weak link? His fierce workrate defensively up front for 60 mins every game allowed us to play play our system and allowed Vardy and Mahrzez to cash in and score. Not to mention a few  important goals. He ran himself into the ground every game to make space for the others. No weak link he....

 

Who is our weak link then?

 

What players would you replace in the first team before Okazaki?

[themightyfin]

Who is our weak link then?

What players would you replace in the first team before Okazaki?

Give it up Gerrard nobody is going to agree with you when your the only one and 100 people are telling you different sometimes you just have to accept your wrong.

It's no big deal it's called Growing up.

We need all the players who played a major role for us last season and that includes Okazaki Albrighton and Leo to say we would be prepared to listen to offers for these when we are trying to bulk our squad is pure madness.

Like many have said to you on here this is not football manager and it's not a simple as buying an upgrade on your players and ditching the others.

The new players need to bed in first and nobody can ever tell how good a player will turn out to be in any side untill they get games however good the player looks on paper.

Sometimes it just don't work out for both club and player and to even think of selling the 3 players you suggested is crazy when we have many more games next season.

Give it up mate.

[filbertstreet]

Who is our weak link then?

 

What players would you replace in the first team before Okazaki?

mahrez, don't think he can lift much

[GingerrrFox]

Just look at the photos coming out of Austria - James looks so out of shape. There is absolutely no chance he makes a league appearance for us this season. Would surely be better for him as well as us for him to move on to try and get his career back on track.

Matty's a big boy, even when he was playing week in week out with Cambiasso he looked chunky. It's his body type so he's never going to look the same shape as someone like Drinky. Doesn't mean he is unfit though. He's coming back from a serious injury but by all accounts he is on the upward curve now so it all looks positive. He may or may not end up staying here but one thing is for sure, Claudio will give him a fair shot as he is highly rated by the coaching staff and is a consummate professional. He's well liked in and around the squad and does a lot off the field for the club.

[Gerard]

Give it up Gerrard nobody is going to agree with you when your the only one and 100 people are telling you different sometimes you just have to accept your wrong.

It's no big deal it's called Growing up.

We need all the players who played a major role for us last season and that includes Okazaki Albrighton and Leo to say we would be prepared to listen to offers for these when we are trying to bulk our squad is pure madness.

Like many have said to you on here this is not football manager and it's not a simple as buying an upgrade on your players and ditching the others.

The new players need to bed in first and nobody can ever tell how good a player will turn out to be in any side untill they get games however good the player looks on paper.

Sometimes it just don't work out for both club and player and to even think of selling the 3 players you suggested is crazy when we have many more games next season.

Give it up mate.

 

My post wasn't about selling Okazaki but replacing him with a better first team player.

 

I swear some you think we should start next season with the same XI that we won the league with.

 

For me Simpson and Okazaki are the two most obvious positions to look to upgrade on. What about you, who should we be looking to replace in the first XI?