Outgoings?

[foxes21]

we won the league , but people are talking about weaklinks .

believe it or not, albrighton & okazaki contributed to our league title as much as kante, mahrez, vardy, etc.

believe it or not, we didn't win the league because of individuals, we won it because we played like a team. okazaki & albrighton are apart of that team.

if we are going to have any success this year, it'll be the same formula, whatever formation. We need to play like a team, and Albrighton & okazaki fit that ethos.

[Sooper Steve's shin]

Can't see why there is all this discussion on 4-3-3; it seems to me that Claudio is trying to get in quality backup for our favoured formation:

Schmeichel - Zieler

Simpson - De Laet

Morgan - Hernandez

Huth - Wasilewski

Fuchs - Chilwell

Mahrez - Gray

Albrighton - Schlupp

Drinkwater - King/James/Inler

Kanté - Mendy/Amartey

Okazaki - Ulloa

Vardy - Musa

That's a good 25 if everyone stays and still a solid 23 if Kanté and Inler both leave (they seem most likely to be off). It gives some versatility because the likes of Albrighton, Schlupp and Amartey can play several positions. I think we may get in another forward player to give more variety, but cannot see that Okazaki will go from first teamer to out of the door.

[jaqo88]

Reckon we will offload De Laet, Moore, Benny, Hamer and Inler/James in some form. The rest we will keep because they played major roles in our success last season. We just won the league ffs, why would we sell Okazaki, Ulloa or Albrighton.

Sell the players mentioned and bring in a RB and possibly a CAM then our business will be done.

[themightyfin]

@@ramadaone who is a proven ITK has said 4-3-3 is on the agenda http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/107558-4-3-3/

Okazaki was arguably our weakest link last season and his No10 position may becoming obsolete.

Plus we have Musa and maybe Luan overtaking him, at 30 years old playing 4-3-3 his chances will be very limited.

You talk rubbish mate and here's why

How would he know 4-3-3 is on the agenda? Half the players are not back in training yet so who knows what system we will be playing

I would Deffo not say he was our weekest link in fact I would say we won the league as a team so no player was more important than the other.

And since when do you hit 30 and can no longer play ever week?

Not every player is past it at 30! The running he did last year tells me he has a good few years in him yet

And the players you go on about Give competition and the chance to rotate players not to squeeze anyone out

We need all these players what part of that do you not understand?

[Gerard]

we won the league , but people are talking about weaklinks .

believe it or not, albrighton & okazaki contributed to our league title as much as kante, mahrez, vardy, etc.

believe it or not, we didn't win the league because of individuals, we won it because we played like a team. okazaki & albrighton are apart of that team.

if we are going to have any success this year, it'll be the same formula, whatever formation. We need to play like a team, and Albrighton & okazaki fit that ethos.

 

Only in your world did all the players contribute an equal amount. 

 

It's ideally how football works, you keep your best players and replace the "weaker ones" with better quality.

[Gerard]

@@ramadaone who is a proven ITK has said 4-3-3 is on the agenda http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/107558-4-3-3/

Okazaki was arguably our weakest link last season and his No10 position may becoming obsolete.

Plus we have Musa and maybe Luan overtaking him, at 30 years old playing 4-3-3 his chances will be very limited.

You talk rubbish mate and here's why

How would he know 4-3-3 is on the agenda? Half the players are not back in training yet so who knows what system we will be playing

I would Deffo not say he was our weekest link in fact I would say we won the league as a team so no player was more important than the other.

And since when do you hit 30 and can no longer play ever week?

Not every player is past it at 30! The running he did last year tells me he has a good few years in him yet

And the players you go on about Give competition and the chance to rotate players not to squeeze anyone out

We need all these players what part of that do you not understand?

 

Where did I say that you hit 30 and can no longer play every week? Quote what i said not what you think I said. I said it's good business to sell 30 year old strikers for decent money if they aren't going to play most of the time. We would be foolish to turn down offers around the £10m mark for 30 year olds well down the pecking order.

 

4-3-3 has been advocated by a proven ITK that I already linked his post and Ranieri mentioned 4-3-3 last year. I don't know how he gets his information but his history suggests that he probably knows this somehow.

 

I suggested in my original post that 13 players would be optimal competing for these 6 places in midfield and forward positions. We are already at 15 if Luan signs, at what point to we decide to trim the squad or do we continue stockpiling? Every player needs to be able to justify their place in the squad otherwise they are deadwood and only taking up a wage much like Inler is now.

 

1) Mendy

2) Drinkwater

3) Kante

4) King

5) James

6) Amartey

7) Albrighton

8) Schlupp

9) Gray

10) Mahrez

11) Musa

12) Vardy

13) Luan ???????????

14) Ulloa

15) Okazaki

[jaqo88]

James will most likely be loaned out, and I doubt we will sign this Luan chap. IF we do then perhaps Oka/Ulloa will be offloaded but doubt that very much. Then we will have 13 while keeping Oka and a harmonious squad.

[themightyfin]

Where did I say that you hit 30 and can no longer play every week? Quote what i said not what you think I said. I said it's good business to sell 30 year old strikers for decent money if they aren't going to play most of the time. We would be foolish to turn down offers around the £10m mark for 30 year olds well down the pecking order.

4-3-3 has been advocated by a proven ITK that I already linked his post and Ranieri mentioned 4-3-3 last year. I don't know how he gets his information but his history suggests that he probably knows this somehow.

I suggested in my original post that 13 players would be optimal competing for these 6 places in midfield and forward positions. We are already at 15 if Luan signs, at what point to we decide to trim the squad or do we continue stockpiling? Every player needs to be able to justify their place in the squad otherwise they are deadwood and only taking up a wage much like Inler is now.

1) Mendy

2) Drinkwater

3) Kante

4) King

5) James

6) Amartey

7) Albrighton

8) Schlupp

9) Gray

10) Mahrez

11) Musa

12) Vardy

13) Luan ???????????

14) Ulloa

15) Okazaki

On your own mate

[4everfox]

I think we'd sell Okazaki, Ulloa and Albrighton if we had half decent offers for them.

Okazaki and Ulloa won't be starters and it's good business to sell 30 year old reserves for decent money if you can.

If we play 4-3-3 as our stock formation Albrighton doesn't really fit that as a defensive winger. He'd be good to bring on for Mahrez when we are winning but I can't see him starting much. His main asset is his work rate and crossing and without an aerial presence in the box he becomes less effective.

Really? I wouldn't sell any of those three. They have helped us to get to this stage in our development and they deserve to have a crack at the first team next season.

[sylofox]

lol @ people wanting James gone.

He was a major player in our relegation fight.

But seems that don't count.

Some of you do realise he was injured last season not dropped.

I really would not turn my back on some of you people ffs give him a chance.

[foxes21]

James could be really good in a 4-3-3 too

[themightyfin]

lol @ people wanting James gone.

He was a major player in our relegation fight.

But seems that don't count.

Some of you do realise he was injured last season not dropped.

I really would not turn my back on some of you people ffs give him a chance.

It's not that people don't think James was not good for us

It's because he's been out for 18 months. To come back from that lengh of time even better than you were before which is what he will need to do to force his way back in the side is very rare after an injury like he had.

The fact he kept trying to come back and kept getting setbacks is not a good sign he was not fast before his injury and will be even slower now and I highly doubt you will see him in the premier league again

Hope in proved wrong but I fear he will spend the rest of his time dropping down the leagues such a shame for a talented player.

[NewEnglandFox]

What has a player that hasn't played a senior game in over a year done to prove his place in the squad? Absolutely nothing. The reason he was out was serious injury which adds to the uncertainties. At the same time, our two starting CMs had great years, King played his role well, and we just brought in a hot shot from France. There is nothing to suggest he can come break into the top 4 or that he's even 5th in line. We also have a 5th and 6th CM on our books as of now. Don't let your sentimentality blind you. What he did 16 months ago is no suggestion that he can do it tomorrow and if that would be good enough to displace one of those other 6 guys. There is uncertainty and unanswered questions. Reproving himself outside of this club is the safest option for us.

[TheMightySystem]

I now see why players aren't loyal to clubs anymore. Imagine after staying with the club Vardy injures himself for a year and we bring in Slimani and Dzeko, then when he is back to fitness in the 17/18 season we sell him as he might not be good enough to get into the first team, we dont even give him a chance just sell him. He would be regretting not moving to Arsenal wouldn't he.

 

James deserved more respect on here, he was one of our most consistent players in 14/15 season and had his part to play in the great escape until getting injured. People on here seem to think if you dont tackle like Kante or ping a ball like Drinkwater then you aren't a good midfielder but James has proved to be a steady player, a bit like James Milner, ordinary yet never drops below a 6 out of 10 in comparison to his teammates.

 

By all means if we play him this year and he can't keep up with our style and is poor then sell him on, but to take away his chance of getting in the first team when he has potential to step up a level like Drinkwater, Morgan, Vardy all have is cruel and I just hope that these people saying get rid aren't the ones who where calling Vardy and his Mrs every name possible when there was a chance he was joining Arsenal. Because that would show an increadible level of hypocracy if so.

[tsintskaro]

Some of you are too much conservative and are suggesting that there is no need of new signings

No Mendy,Musa,Zieler,Hernandez

Club did not even need Kante and Fuchs and etc because there already are people on that positions

no my friends

These players would not be bought if others were not gone from club

so some of them have to go for new ones to come

[themightyfin]

Some of you are too much conservative and are suggesting that there is no need of new signings

No Mendy,Musa,Zieler,Hernandez

Club did not even need Kante and Fuchs and etc because there already are people on that positions

no my friends

These players would not be bought if others were not gone from club

so some of them have to go for new ones to come

Not when you have a small squad that needed more added to it to cope with the extra games coming up you tool

[Dr The Singh]

I now see why players aren't loyal to clubs anymore. Imagine after staying with the club Vardy injures himself for a year and we bring in Slimani and Dzeko, then when he is back to fitness in the 17/18 season we sell him as he might not be good enough to get into the first team, we dont even give him a chance just sell him. He would be regretting not moving to Arsenal wouldn't he.

James deserved more respect on here, he was one of our most consistent players in 14/15 season and had his part to play in the great escape until getting injured. People on here seem to think if you dont tackle like Kante or ping a ball like Drinkwater then you aren't a good midfielder but James has proved to be a steady player, a bit like James Milner, ordinary yet never drops below a 6 out of 10 in comparison to his teammates.

By all means if we play him this year and he can't keep up with our style and is poor then sell him on, but to take away his chance of getting in the first team when he has potential to step up a level like Drinkwater, Morgan, Vardy all have is cruel and I just hope that these people saying get rid aren't the ones who where calling Vardy and his Mrs every name possible when there was a chance he was joining Arsenal. Because that would show an increadible level of hypocracy if so.

James, I'm sorry bud, but your now not good enough, we have moved from being relegation fodder to champions league, we have to move on....good luck at Derby County

[halfpipe]

I now see why players aren't loyal to clubs anymore. Imagine after staying with the club Vardy injures himself for a year and we bring in Slimani and Dzeko, then when he is back to fitness in the 17/18 season we sell him as he might not be good enough to get into the first team, we dont even give him a chance just sell him. He would be regretting not moving to Arsenal wouldn't he.

James deserved more respect on here, he was one of our most consistent players in 14/15 season and had his part to play in the great escape until getting injured. People on here seem to think if you dont tackle like Kante or ping a ball like Drinkwater then you aren't a good midfielder but James has proved to be a steady player, a bit like James Milner, ordinary yet never drops below a 6 out of 10 in comparison to his teammates.

By all means if we play him this year and he can't keep up with our style and is poor then sell him on, but to take away his chance of getting in the first team when he has potential to step up a level like Drinkwater, Morgan, Vardy all have is cruel and I just hope that these people saying get rid aren't the ones who where calling Vardy and his Mrs every name possible when there was a chance he was joining Arsenal. Because that would show an increadible level of hypocracy if so.

Well James Milner wouldn't get in to our side, and has more credibility as a Premier League player than Matty James. Plus James will need time to get back to his old self with coming back from injury.

If we hadn't just won the league, then it'd be a different story, but we have. We also have several CM's who would be ahead of James, even when he was in form in the 14/15 season. I understand that you believe loyalty is something that a club should have towards their players, but when you have to select a 25 man squad, and already have top quality midfielders, it'd be hard for management to justify putting James in that 25.

By all means, send him out on loan to a lower PL club until New Year so that he can find his feet again, but placing him in the squad in the current situation doesn't seem wise. At least not from where I'm standing.

[sm1]

Albrigton definitely is not going anywhere. People talk about the difference Huth made in our great escape, but for me Albrigton made a similar difference, when Pearson finally decided to give him a run in the first team.

Okazaki needs to stay on his feet. I Know toddlers who fall down less then him. Any offer more then what we made, i'd sell him.

[Dr The Singh]

Albrigton definitely is not going anywhere. People talk about the difference Huth made in our great escape, but for me Albrigton made a similar difference, when Pearson finally decided to give him a run in the first team.

Okazaki needs to stay on his feet. I Know toddlers who fall down less then him. Any offer more then what we made, i'd sell him.

Okazaki I hear is doing pillow adverts, if he is not careful, instead of being on our beach, he will be on our mattress

[ramadaone]

@@ramadaone who is a proven ITK has said 4-3-3 is on the agenda http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/107558-4-3-3/

Okazaki was arguably our weakest link last season and his No10 position may becoming obsolete.

Plus we have Musa and maybe Luan overtaking him, at 30 years old playing 4-3-3 his chances will be very limited.

You obviously know best so I'll leave it all with you and you can update everyone as you get the info

Hope you all enjoy the season

You talk rubbish mate and here's why

How would he know 4-3-3 is on the agenda? Half the players are not back in training yet so who knows what system we will be playing

I would Deffo not say he was our weekest link in fact I would say we won the league as a team so no player was more important than the other.

And since when do you hit 30 and can no longer play ever week?

Not every player is past it at 30! The running he did last year tells me he has a good few years in him yet

And the players you go on about Give competition and the chance to rotate players not to squeeze anyone out

We need all these players what part of that do you not understand?

[Gerard]

Not when you have a small squad that needed more added to it to cope with the extra games coming up you tool

 

How is he a tool FFS for stating the obvious?

 

1) Schmeichel

2) Zieler

3) Simpson

4) Hernandez

5) Wasilewski

6) Huth

7) Morgan

8) Fuchs

9) Chilwell

10) Keane ????????????

11) Mendy

12) Drinkwater

13) Kante

14) King

15) James

16) Amartey

17) Albrighton

18) Schlupp

19) Gray

20) Mahrez

21) Musa

22) Vardy

23) Luan ???????????

24) Ulloa

25) Okazaki

 

There's a 25 man squad there, then we still have:

 

26) Hamer

27) Benalouane

28) Moore

29) De Laet

30) inler

31) Lawrence

 

That's not including youth players who have first team experience like Dodoo. To say we have a small squad is ridiculous and untrue.

[Sampson]

I wouldn't say you're a "tool" but I can't understand your line of thinking at all and I think fans thinking like that is only going to cause our fans to start turning on our players at the first sign of poor form (which will inevitably happen at some point).

Musa could not adapt to English football or break his leg in his first game and then where are we.

There's nothing guaranteed that the players coming in will do the business for us - Diego Forlan and Juan Sebastian Veron were 2 of the best players of their generation but both struggled to adapt to the English game, so why anyone would assume these players coming in are already good enough to start shifting off good players who played a big part in a perfectly balanced side is beyond me.

Evolution is one thing, but breaking up the best team we've ever had and the perfectly balanced side which won us the league by selling off players like Albrighton, Okazaki and Ulloa before we've even if the players coming in will suit us or do it for us is nuts - not to mention that who knows if we've even seen the best of those players - plenty of our current stars have been doubted at many times during their Leicester careers - how many times have we seen people say they'd be happy for us to sell Vardy, Morgan, Drinkwater, Simpson, Mahrez etc. in the past? I see no reason why a better season from those players such as a 15+ goal season  from Okazaki and Ulloa (Okazaki has already had one in the Bundesliga) if they get on a good run and a 10+ assist season from Albrighton (think him not getting as many assists as Mahrez last season was as much about people not taking the chances he created more than the actual number of chances being created) is particularly beyond comprehension.

Come on, man, you're coming across like a ManCity fan playing Football Manager. I honestly thought some people would've learnt by now...

[themightyfin]

I wouldn't say you're a "tool" but I can't understand your line of thinking at all and I think fans thinking like that is only going to cause our fans to start turning on our players at the first sign of poor form (which will inevitably happen at some point).

Musa could not adapt to English football or break his leg in his first game and then where are we.

There's nothing guaranteed that the players coming in will do the business for us - Diego Forlan and Juan Sebastian Veron were 2 of the best players of their generation but both struggled to adapt to the English game, so why anyone would assume these players coming in are already good enough to start shifting off good players who played a big part in a perfectly balanced side is beyond me.

Evolution is one thing, but breaking up the best team we've ever had and the perfectly balanced side which won us the league by selling off players like Albrighton, Okazaki and Ulloa before we've even if the players coming in will suit us or do it for us is nuts - not to mention that who knows if we've even seen the best of those players - plenty of our current stars have been doubted at many times during their Leicester careers - how many times have we seen people say they'd be happy for us to sell Vardy, Morgan, Drinkwater, Simpson, Mahrez etc. in the past? I see no reason why a 15+ goal season in Okazaki and Ulloa (Okazaki has has one in the Bundesliga) if they get on a good run and a 10+ assist season from Albrighton (think him not getting as many assists as Mahrez last season was as much about people not taking the chances he created more than the actual number of chances being created) is particularly beyond comprehension.

Come on, man, you're coming across like a ManCity fan playing Football Manager. I honestly thought some people would've learnt by now...

Absolutely this

[fuchsntf]

It's not that people don't think James was not good for us

It's because he's been out for 18 months. To come back from that lengh of time even better than you were before which is what he will need to do to force his way back in the side is very rare after an injury like he had.

The fact he kept trying to come back and kept getting setbacks is not a good sign he was not fast before his injury and will be even slower now and I highly doubt you will see him in the premier league again

Hope in proved wrong but I fear he will spend the rest of his time dropping down the leagues such a shame for a talented player.

IMHO BS

  

What has a player that hasn't played a senior game in over a year done to prove his place in the squad? Absolutely nothing. The reason he was out was serious injury which adds to the uncertainties. At the same time, our two starting CMs had great years, King played his role well, and we just brought in a hot shot from France. There is nothing to suggest he can come break into the top 4 or that he's even 5th in line. We also have a 5th and 6th CM on our books as of now. Don't let your sentimentality blind you. What he did 16 months ago is no suggestion that he can do it tomorrow and if that would be good enough to displace one of those other 6 guys. There is uncertainty and unanswered questions. Reproving himself outside of this club is the safest option for us.

 

IMHO..BS

 

James, I'm sorry bud, but your now not good enough, we have moved from being relegation fodder to champions league, we have to move on....good luck at Derby County

IMHO..BS. to you all, if the club decides to keep him...he will prove you all wrong.

Another player some want to ditch, so far the posters with negatives to the right/left

have been losing their creds over the last 3 seasons.

Thank god we have Ranieri..