The Philippines' War on Drugs

[MC Prussian]

Already 300 people have been killed by mobile police brigades and civil vigilantes in July 2016 alone, some of the pictures taken from the death scenes are heavy material and leave you with a sour taste of what it's like over there at the moment:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3710940/Harrowing-pictures-brutal-truth-Philippines-war-drugs-s-seen-300-killed-just-one-month-president-ordered-police-bars-ground.html

[GaelicFox]

I know an Irish lad from home he is in the consulate there in Manila he said they are literally assassinating drug dealers in street  

[m4DD0gg]

Dont see the problem to be honest.

[jonthefox]

Seems like an excuse to kill whoever you don't like . 

[Steven]

9 minutes ago, jonthefox said:

Seems like an excuse to kill whoever you don't like . 

This. Thaksin Shinawatra did the same in Thailand about 10 years ago. All it did was to entrench the dealers under police and Armed Forces control. Plus there are more drugs in Thailand now than there was before all of that started. Clearly Barbarians have taken over in the Philippines.

[casablancas]

Spent 7 weeks in the Philipines a week of that in Manila. Cannot remember once being approached with offers of drugs. Such a lovely people as well. This makes me very sad. 

[Realist Guy In The Room]

Its not the first time this sort of thing had happened over there but its the first time the western media have picked up on it.

 

When I was there in 87', they were doing the same thing with homeless people in Manila.

 

This President is an absolute lunatic.    

[leicsmac]

6 hours ago, m4DD0gg said:

Dont see the problem to be honest.

Well, it's reasonably obvious that the problem is...

 

6 hours ago, jonthefox said:

Seems like an excuse to kill whoever you don't like . 

This.

Due process and independent investigation exist for a reason.

[m4DD0gg]

5 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Well, it's reasonably obvious that the problem is...

 

This.

Due process and independent investigation exist for a reason.

What killing drug dealers?! Suppose they should just be given a life sentence and let out within 5 years.

[GaelicFox]

18 minutes ago, m4DD0gg said:

What killing drug dealers?! Suppose they should just be given a life sentence and let out within 5 years.

 they are killing innocent people as well that's the point , you can't kill low level dealers while not killing  the guys controling the cartels that includes the police and army 

 

you might think your flippant response and glib attitude to state sponsored murder is clever , it's not , it's stupidity 

[Guest MattP]

12 hours ago, Steven said:

This. Thaksin Shinawatra did the same in Thailand about 10 years ago. All it did was to entrench the dealers under police and Armed Forces control. Plus there are more drugs in Thailand now than there was before all of that started. Clearly Barbarians have taken over in the Philippines.

Source? I'd like to read the figures.

[Steven]

40 minutes ago, MattP said:

Source? I'd like to read the figures.

 

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/Thailand-battles-to-contain-RISING-DRUG-USE-30263250.html

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, m4DD0gg said:

What killing drug dealers?! Suppose they should just be given a life sentence and let out within 5 years.

Nice straw man, you build it yourself? 

 

As said above, do you think it's only drug dealers getting killed in this particular action? No strongman worth his salt would pass up the opportunity to use something like this to go after people he thinks are...troublesome, too. And I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that might be happening.

 

If it was only the scum getting killed then this would perhaps be justified, but it's not. Or do you think a certain amount of innocent deaths is acceptable as collateral damage? 

 

(Sorry, that's a straw man of my own there.)

[Finnaldo]

2 hours ago, m4DD0gg said:

What killing drug dealers?! Suppose they should just be given a life sentence and let out within 5 years.

 

You can shoot as many small time dealers as you want, the poor and desperate will fill their space as soon as their body hits the floor, especially in a place like the Philippines.

 

Positive action has proved to be the best way to curb drug abuse. But that costs a lot more than a 9mm round so I can't see that happening. 

[Guest MattP]

Whatever it is, we certainly need to do something about this, it still amazes me no one talks about the links between drug use and the amount of serious crime caused by the users, you can link virtually every major incident recently to a long term drug user, it can't be a coincedence. (I've stolen the following but the point still stands)

 

Timothy McVeigh, the 1995 Oklahoma bomber, used cannabis and methamphetamine. Anders Breivik took the steroid Stanozolol and the quasi-amphetamine ephedrine. Omar Mateen, culprit of the more recent Orlando massacre, also took steroids, as did Raoul Moat, who a few years ago terrorised the North East of England. So did the remorseless David Bieber, who killed a policeman and nearly murdered two others on a rampage in Leeds in 2003.
Eric Harris, one of the culprits of the Columbine school shooting, took the SSRI antidepressant Luvox. His accomplice Dylan Klebold’s medical records remain sealed, as do those of several other school killers. But we know for sure that Patrick Purdy, culprit of the 1989 Cleveland school shooting, and Jeff Weise, culprit of the 2005 Red Lake Senior High School shootings, had been taking ‘antidepressants’.
So had Michael McDermott, culprit of the 2000 Wakefield massacre in Massachusetts. So had Kip Kinkel, responsible for a 1998 murder spree in Oregon. So had John Hinckley, who tried to murder US President Ronald Reagan in 1981 and is now being prepared for release. So had Andreas Lubitz, the Germanwings pilot who murdered all his passengers last year. The San Bernardino killers had been taking the benzodiazepine Xanax and the amphetamine Adderall.
The killers of Lee Rigby were (like McVeigh) cannabis users. So was the killer of Canadian soldier Nathan Cirillo in 2014 in Ottawa (and the separate killer of another Canadian soldier elsewhere in the same year). So was Jared Loughner, culprit of a 2011 mass shooting in Tucson, Arizona. So was the Leytonstone Tube station knife attacker last year. So is Satoshi Uematsu, filmed grinning at Japanese TV cameras after being accused of a horrible knife rampage in a home for the disabled in Sagamihara.
I know that many wish to accept the simple explanation that recent violence is solely explained by Islamic fanaticism. No doubt it’s involved. Please understand that I am not trying to excuse or exonerate terrorism when I say what follows.
But when I checked the culprits of the Charlie Hebdo murders, all had drugs records or connections. The same was true of the Bataclan gang, of the Tunis beach killer and of the Thalys train terrorist.
It is also true of the two young men who murdered a defenceless and aged priest near Rouen last week. One of them had also been hospitalised as a teenager for mental disorders and so almost certainly prescribed powerful psychiatric drugs.
THE Nice killer had been smoking marijuana and taking mind-altering prescription drugs, almost certainly ‘antidepressants’.
As an experienced Paris journalist said to me on Friday: ‘After covering all of the recent terrorist attacks here, I’d conclude that the hit-and-die killers involved all spent the vast majority of their miserable lives smoking cannabis while playing hugely violent video games.’
Now look at the German events, eclipsed by Rouen. The Ansbach suicide bomber had a string of drug offences. So did the machete killer who murdered a woman on a train in Stuttgart. The Munich shopping mall killer had spent months in a mental hospital being treated (almost certainly with drugs) for depression and anxiety.

 

 

[Christoph]

What's to stop someone killing somebody they don't like and planting a bag of drugs on them? All seems a bit like the Purge to me  

 

Terrible way to deal with the drug problem in my eyes. 

[m4DD0gg]

2 hours ago, GaelicFox said:

 they are killing innocent people as well that's the point , you can't kill low level dealers while not killing  the guys controling the cartels that includes the police and army 

 

you might think your flippant response and glib attitude to state sponsored murder is clever , it's not , it's stupidity 

Go you.

[Guest MattP]

5 minutes ago, Christoph said:

What's to stop someone killing somebody they don't like and planting a bag of drugs on them? All seems a bit like the Purge to me  

 

Terrible way to deal with the drug problem in my eyes. 

 

Yes, just to clarify I certainly don't support this policy and my post wasn't intended to make it look like so.

 

Probably should have put it in the main drugs thread.

[Bellend Sebastian]

When I took antidepressants my mind was certainly altered.

 

I'd been depressed, and then I wasn't anymore

[Nick]

14 minutes ago, MattP said:

Whatever it is, we certainly need to do something about this, it still amazes me no one talks about the links between drug use and the amount of serious crime caused by the users, you can link virtually every major incident recently to a long term drug user, it can't be a coincedence. (I've stolen the following but the point still stands)

 

Timothy McVeigh, the 1995 Oklahoma bomber, used cannabis and methamphetamine. Anders Breivik took the steroid Stanozolol and the quasi-amphetamine ephedrine. Omar Mateen, culprit of the more recent Orlando massacre, also took steroids, as did Raoul Moat, who a few years ago terrorised the North East of England. So did the remorseless David Bieber, who killed a policeman and nearly murdered two others on a rampage in Leeds in 2003.
Eric Harris, one of the culprits of the Columbine school shooting, took the SSRI antidepressant Luvox. His accomplice Dylan Klebold’s medical records remain sealed, as do those of several other school killers. But we know for sure that Patrick Purdy, culprit of the 1989 Cleveland school shooting, and Jeff Weise, culprit of the 2005 Red Lake Senior High School shootings, had been taking ‘antidepressants’.
So had Michael McDermott, culprit of the 2000 Wakefield massacre in Massachusetts. So had Kip Kinkel, responsible for a 1998 murder spree in Oregon. So had John Hinckley, who tried to murder US President Ronald Reagan in 1981 and is now being prepared for release. So had Andreas Lubitz, the Germanwings pilot who murdered all his passengers last year. The San Bernardino killers had been taking the benzodiazepine Xanax and the amphetamine Adderall.
The killers of Lee Rigby were (like McVeigh) cannabis users. So was the killer of Canadian soldier Nathan Cirillo in 2014 in Ottawa (and the separate killer of another Canadian soldier elsewhere in the same year). So was Jared Loughner, culprit of a 2011 mass shooting in Tucson, Arizona. So was the Leytonstone Tube station knife attacker last year. So is Satoshi Uematsu, filmed grinning at Japanese TV cameras after being accused of a horrible knife rampage in a home for the disabled in Sagamihara.
I know that many wish to accept the simple explanation that recent violence is solely explained by Islamic fanaticism. No doubt it’s involved. Please understand that I am not trying to excuse or exonerate terrorism when I say what follows.
But when I checked the culprits of the Charlie Hebdo murders, all had drugs records or connections. The same was true of the Bataclan gang, of the Tunis beach killer and of the Thalys train terrorist.
It is also true of the two young men who murdered a defenceless and aged priest near Rouen last week. One of them had also been hospitalised as a teenager for mental disorders and so almost certainly prescribed powerful psychiatric drugs.
THE Nice killer had been smoking marijuana and taking mind-altering prescription drugs, almost certainly ‘antidepressants’.
As an experienced Paris journalist said to me on Friday: ‘After covering all of the recent terrorist attacks here, I’d conclude that the hit-and-die killers involved all spent the vast majority of their miserable lives smoking cannabis while playing hugely violent video games.’
Now look at the German events, eclipsed by Rouen. The Ansbach suicide bomber had a string of drug offences. So did the machete killer who murdered a woman on a train in Stuttgart. The Munich shopping mall killer had spent months in a mental hospital being treated (almost certainly with drugs) for depression and anxiety.

 

 

Is this a serious post?

[GaelicFox]

8 minutes ago, m4DD0gg said:

Go you.

 tool 

 

[lifted*fox]

7 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

Is this a serious post?

 

Mind blowing levels of idiocy eh.

[GaelicFox]

This thread just went to the micro dot twilight zone 

 

 

[Thracian]

it's the wrong way of going about it. Fair trial and proof before conviction served a purpose. 

 

This wouldn't quite be my approach, but it seems to work more effectively than most. 

 

http://www.ibtimes.com/singapore-drug-laws-death-penalty-292911

 

I always get the feeling that there's a degree of excuse-making for the drugs sale and supply problem.

 

In my experience there's none whatsoever.   

 

It's about trapping and controlling reckless, weak-minded or vulnerable people.  

 

Wilfully endangering their wellbeing really and in turn the wellbeing of others.

 

 

[Guest MattP]

21 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

Is this a serious post?

Yes of course, as I say I lifted it from elsewhere but surely we aren't going to just ignore the obvious correlation without at least discussing it?

 

13 minutes ago, daz*dsb said:

 

Mind blowing levels of idiocy eh.

Do show it up then Daz.