leicsmac Posted 12 December 2016 Posted 12 December 2016 Yeah, the CIA complaining about an election being rigged, true or no, is a bit like Dennis Wise complaining that someone else is an annoying little gobshite.
leicsmac Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 Rick Perry for Energy Secretary then. Who, when he ran in 2012, advocated abolishing the Department of Energy. At what point does this actually become a Shakespeare-level farce?
MC Prussian Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 6 hours ago, leicsmac said: Rick Perry for Energy Secretary then. Who, when he ran in 2012, advocated abolishing the Department of Energy. At what point does this actually become a Shakespeare-level farce? It's so tragic it becomes funny again, doesn't it? Meanwhile, Russia announces it has liberated Aleppo. The continuous downfall of the US, both on the inside (social security, schooling/education, health care, wealth distribution/vanishing of the middle class, crass disrespect for infrastructure) and the outside (political respect from the outside world, involvement in war zones, Guantanamo) could be the moment for Russia to sneak through the back door and gain massively in reputation. We're approaching American Gladiator territory. With the only difference that the show is about to become reality.
orangecity23 Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 Nice to see Tex Richman from the Muppets film following that up with his new gig as Secretary of State
SMX11 Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 All empires fall eventually, usually by overextending overseas while having largesse at home. USA will not escape unless they radically change the policies of the last 25 years or so.
MPH Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 5 hours ago, ScouseFox said: Please tell me he's joking...
leicsmac Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 1 hour ago, MPH said: Please tell me he's joking... Well, one egotistical narcissistic celebrity with no idea of what he's doing has made it in, why not another?
Alf Bentley Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 #JoeyRamone1980....the world would now be a better place.
MPH Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 19 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Well, one egotistical narcissistic celebrity with no idea of what he's doing has made it in, why not another? An oil Tycoon as your secretary of state.... You just couldn't make it up....
Darkon84 Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 27 minutes ago, MPH said: An oil Tycoon as your secretary of state.... You just couldn't make it up.... Just wondered what the problem with that is? He started from the bottom of the company as an engineer, worked his way up, has history of dealing with partners and shareholders to try and keep people happy and has a good relationship with Russia. Surely those are favourable assets?
leicsmac Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 19 minutes ago, Darkon84 said: Just wondered what the problem with that is? He started from the bottom of the company as an engineer, worked his way up, has history of dealing with partners and shareholders to try and keep people happy and has a good relationship with Russia. Surely those are favourable assets? Two problems. Firstly, a country isn't a business and really shouldn't have high people in government who might think it should be run like one. It tends to result in issues regarding people as disposable assets. I mean, it's not like you can fire sometime from their country, is it? Secondly, I'm not sure giving out jobs for the boys is everyone's idea of "draining the swamp", as Trump put it.
Alf Bentley Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 It sounds as if the Trump regime will be more hawkish towards China and more dove-like towards Russia. Strategically, that could make a lot of sense for a fairly nationalistic Trump regime. Russia is still a major military power, but China is much more of a rising superpower rival - particularly as an economic rival with trading issues etc. Russia is probably not rich enough to try to operate as a global superpower, as the USSR did. But China has a much bigger economy that is still growing, allowing Chinese companies to invest all over the world from Africa to the UK and allowing China to build an ever more powerful military - and to already be in a very strong financial and trading position vis-a-vis the USA (big Chinese trade surplus, big US debt to Chinese financial institutions). Trump could also take a hard line on Chinese imports, which would please his support base in the Rust Belt and elsewhere. Meanwhile, Russia is still certainly powerful enough to operate as a regional superpower, within eastern Europe and parts of the Middle East, which might suit both Putin and Trump very nicely. Might not suit the Middle East very well, as Aleppo is finding out - and might not suit Europe too well, if Trump is prepared to stand by and let Putin, say, intervene to protect Russian populations in the Baltic states....
Darkon84 Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 4 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Two problems. Firstly, a country isn't a business and really shouldn't have high people in government who might think it should be run like one. It tends to result in issues regarding people as disposable assets. I mean, it's not like you can fire sometime from their country, is it? Secondly, I'm not sure giving out jobs for the boys is everyone's idea of "draining the swamp", as Trump put it. It's not a business but there are certain qualities which overlap and can be desirable. As mentioned before, Tillerson's appointment probably has more to do with his understanding and relationship with Russia & Putin than anything business related, so surely that has to be seen as a plus point? Haha well it depends how you look at it. It could be argued that's exactly what he's doing, getting the career politicians out of there and getting some more real life experience in there. Besides, every single Government and cabinet keep close allies by them whilst in government.
leicsmac Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 1 hour ago, Darkon84 said: It's not a business but there are certain qualities which overlap and can be desirable. As mentioned before, Tillerson's appointment probably has more to do with his understanding and relationship with Russia & Putin than anything business related, so surely that has to be seen as a plus point? Haha well it depends how you look at it. It could be argued that's exactly what he's doing, getting the career politicians out of there and getting some more real life experience in there. Besides, every single Government and cabinet keep close allies by them whilst in government. Anything that gets the U.S. and Russia talking more is reasonable, but it's interesting to see what the corollary of that might be. I definitely agree that every administration in the past has engaged in jobs for the boys, but as Trump said he wasn't going to do this is a little hypocritical. And real life experience is fine, but right now he seems to be picking heads of department specifically to bring those departments down. Somewhat unrelated, apparently the new administration is also asking (demanding) the names of people in the Department of Energy who have done work on climate change and have concluded it is happening and is possibly caused by humans. Now, I think the whole are-humans-responsible-or-not thing is a ridiculous and sinister distraction anyway (what does it matter how you ran into the iceberg when the Titanic is sinking?) but that all seems to be a bit much even for an administration looking to be as anti intellectual and in bed with the Bible-thumpers as this one.
Mike Oxlong Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 Just seen him on the news. The Donald is orange and looks like he's been tangoed. Donald Trumpkin Looks like a pumpkin
Carl the Llama Posted 15 December 2016 Posted 15 December 2016 1 hour ago, Mike Oxlong said: Just seen him on the news. The Donald is orange and looks like he's been tangoed. Donald Trumpkin Looks like a pumpkin Asked his daughter for a blumpkin.
Mike Oxlong Posted 15 December 2016 Posted 15 December 2016 7 hours ago, Carl the Llama said: Asked his daughter for a blumpkin. Why does Melanie want to humphim
leicsmac Posted 15 December 2016 Posted 15 December 2016 Fantastic speech from the president of the Royal Society on populism and science. https://youtu.be/wSVUP3ANA48 History doesn't repeat exactly the same, but sometimes it comes really close.
Darkon84 Posted 15 December 2016 Posted 15 December 2016 14 hours ago, leicsmac said: Anything that gets the U.S. and Russia talking more is reasonable, but it's interesting to see what the corollary of that might be. I definitely agree that every administration in the past has engaged in jobs for the boys, but as Trump said he wasn't going to do this is a little hypocritical. And real life experience is fine, but right now he seems to be picking heads of department specifically to bring those departments down. Somewhat unrelated, apparently the new administration is also asking (demanding) the names of people in the Department of Energy who have done work on climate change and have concluded it is happening and is possibly caused by humans. Now, I think the whole are-humans-responsible-or-not thing is a ridiculous and sinister distraction anyway (what does it matter how you ran into the iceberg when the Titanic is sinking?) but that all seems to be a bit much even for an administration looking to be as anti intellectual and in bed with the Bible-thumpers as this one. Exactly, I'd say the sooner the US can stop thinking it's still in the cold war and sort stuff out with Russia (and vice-versa to be fair), the better, but as with most things surrounding Trump etc, we will just simply have to wait and see. Things might be fine and these could be brilliant moves, or they could not. Time will tell, and that is what he should be given. It depends which way you look at how he meant 'drain the swamp'. My understanding was that it was to institute a ban to after office for officials to lobby the government for money etc so they stay on the gravy train and to change the type of people coming in to the cabinet, much like the same way people dislike 'career politicians' over here. I'll agree that to some, the appointments aren't stand out picks, but that was part of the point, and as previously said, only time will tell. If that's true, regarding the Department of Energy, now that is quite worrying, and sounds like those people will be out on their arses. The reporting etc regarding climate change is always over the top and designed for scare mongering. The way it's portrayed, or worded a lot of the time is that it's solely a human factor, humans caused climate change.
Carl the Llama Posted 15 December 2016 Posted 15 December 2016 3 hours ago, Alf Bentley said: . Also, .
Alf Bentley Posted 15 December 2016 Posted 15 December 2016 1 minute ago, Carl the Llama said: Also, . I was considering a comment on your new word (new to me, anyway; maybe I'm an innocent), but decided that it wouldn't lead anywhere salubrious!
Carl the Llama Posted 15 December 2016 Posted 15 December 2016 Just now, Alf Bentley said: I was considering a comment on your new word (new to me, anyway; maybe I'm an innocent), but decided that it wouldn't lead anywhere salubrious! Nah there's not penetration involved so no need for salubrication. 1 minute ago, bovril said: Blumpkin. You learn something new everyday. Glad I could provide you with a new learning opportunity Could be worse: My 'friend' used my phone to send the word to my family whatsapp conversation. Mother and father thinking it must be some quaint Yorkshire slang decided to look up this interesting word that their son had sent them. Fml.
Guest WarehamFox Posted 16 December 2016 Posted 16 December 2016 Breaking news!!! Clinton blaming everyone but herself for losing the election. Russia, the FBI and foxestalk (well not yet, but you never know).
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