How much longer does Claudio get a pass?

[LJS]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

I'm asking a question. A simple one that no ones actually answered.

Because it isn't answerable. Nobody knows. How can they? That's what you do. Ask questions nobody can possibly answer, then claim to be right when it all goes wrong because nobody could answer. It's intellectually dishonest and intellectually cowardly. How about you have the bollocks to anwer your own questions?

 

Is Ranieri the man to get these players playing at their best?

 

AND IF NOT...

 

Who, in your opinion, is the right man?

 

Have my answers:

 

Ranieri is the man who, just months ago, showed he could get the best from these players. The new 'best' might be several levels below what we achieved last season. It might even result in relegation. But the evidence is that he is the man who knows how to get this lot playing.

 

If he has to go? Then who? I suppose Allardyce would keep us up. But he is corrupt and gets his side playing terrible football. Winning the league last season gives me, as a supporter, tremendous freedom to prioritise things other than league position. I'd now rather go down playing entertaining football than stay up playing awful football. So who does that leave us? Bielsa would be great, but I don't see it. Of the realistic options I'd go with Brendan Rodgers. 

 

But, to be clear. My position is that Claudio gets to stay as long as he likes and to leave on his own terms.

 

Your turn, Col. Balls out.

[Struwwelpeter60]

6 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

we played well in games too though e.g Man u at home this season we go a goal down and its game over.

 

plus we never got thrashed like this

Two years ago, we were at rock bottom, although we didn't have the strain of six additional CL matches

before Christmas. The members of the Pearson Adoration Society tend to forget that.

If you add the Community Shield game, the team played, so far, almost 50% more matches this

season, than in the same period 2015/16 and 2014/15.

That's a huge difference, you seem to ignore.

 

[StriderHiryu]

In everyone's heart of hearts no one wants to see Ranieri sacked. Those memories from last season I will cherish till I die! He will always be a legend regardless of what happens. 

 

But it it doesn't give him a free pass and if results and performances continue the way they are right now he will go. To put it into perspective if we were in this form last season without any previous history coaching us, I think he'd already have gone. 

 

I hope he he can turn it round! A charming and well incredibly nice man that graced all of our lives. No one wants to see him fail!

[seenitall]

34 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

we played well in games too though e.g Man u at home this season we go a goal down and its game over.

 

plus we never got thrashed like this

Ressies - nothing to play for doesn't count move on

[Struwwelpeter60]

1 hour ago, LCFC_World said:

We have more to lose if we go down though this time. A lot of the player are on 80K + a week contracts and it would destroy the club. 

How do you know, that there are no "valid only for PL" clauses in the contracts?

As far as I know, that is the standard. At least in mid-sized clubs with a long

history of going up and down.

[LJS]

Can we please dispense with this myth that we were decent a couple of seasons back when we were bottom of the league for months on end? We weren't. We were shit. Really ****ing shit. I remember us playing four central midfielders at home to West Brom. Not even attempting to attack the likes of Palace and Sunderland. We were truly appalling. It's okay to say we were never thrashed. That's because we never ventured from our own half. Remember the cup game at Villa Park? That was the day I turned on Pearson. The latest in a succession of games in which we barely tried to score a goal.

 

We started that season well. Looked like we'd be fine. Then Pearson panicked at us conceding too many and went ultra-defensive. He didn't change until it was almost too late. How much of that change remains his responsibility remains debatable. Either way, he deserves credit for keeping us up. But he also deserves scorn for allowing a squad easily good enough for survival to be cut adrift at the foot of the table for so long. It was a result of tactical cowardice. We were bottom because that's where we deserved to be.

[Mickyblueeyes]

19 hours ago, Moksky said:

Nope you read how you want to read it.

People calling for his head at this point is a complete misunderstanding,  understand he does not sign the players, he does not negotiate their contracts, that is for those who dont understand how it works at Leicester, posibly including you. So he has to work within his resources. If the club didnt recruit adequately it is not entirely his fault.

 

I have said I wish he would give 1 or 2 others a start in the last 4-5 matches, and I do believe he should try a different shape to try to stop conceding as many as we have.

 

2 years ago we were on 10 points with a few more games gone, we did not dispose of Pearson.

He has won our CL group. Bringing in more coffers into the tin, and please do not start the group was poor, Porto are not poor.

You talk about a business that could pack up in weeks, you are placing yoursellf in the catergory of being a meltdowner, a massive knee jerk reaction at this stage. If we were sitting on 13 point in another 8-10 games, then yes. But at this point absolutely no.

 

Realistically we are where we thought we would be last season. On target to reach 40 points. I dont want to see him disposed of after 14 league games, why should I engage with debate with anyone who thinks otherwise

 

When I read crap, about getting rid, who exactely would we bring and wheres the guaranteed success that 's when I state I said, people do not what they are talking about. Look at Bob Bradley. Ive heard Fat Sam, Ryan Giggs, Brendan Rodgers, Roy Hodgson, even Nigel Pearson all muted, no thank you, not 60's thinking thats modern day.

 

Get rid if you have a replacement who is most assured of improving the results, I do not see anyone . Perhaps some low key up and coming unheard of foreign manager , but what a gamble that would be.

 

At least you admitted you are a plum, talking about your own contraditions you started personal insults, really laughable. Dont feel shy about apologising.

 

Errr, no you started the insults. You have this profound view that your knowledge is so far advanced that it's gospel. You, like everyone else post on a forum. You hold no high up special position that allows you to consider yourself right. I would suspect if you do consider yourself in the know, you hold nothing more than a low level position at the club or a groupie of one of the players. 

 

On your points, others at the club may have the final say but are you seriously trying to tell me that Claudio has no input at all on players? What about tactics? Team selection? You say he works within the realms of what is available to him - that's quite a lot compared to our competitors!

 

The big issue is, the performances are dire. The players are not responding and it's clear as day on each match day that something quite catastrophic is not working. The club have not prepared, they are reactive despite knowing that the possibility of losing Kanye was a realistic prospect last January. Wasilewski didn't magically age over the summer but we couldn't secure a centre back? These are all genuine questions

 

It it is not a knee jerk reaction to worry about the future of the club. It's happen before! In fact it is quite daft if one does not! We've increased salaries ten fold and will not be able to command the transfer fees we did last summer if the same players are unsuccessful. That's  not knee jerk it's simple business! With FFP and players on long term contracts, outside investment from the owner is also quite limited. It should be a genuine concern.

 

what you need to understand is the manager is the front of this all. If he isn't responsible for signings, tactics or training, then why is he on the payroll? Rudkin or Neville are not the murial from last year, it's Claudio. Therefore, he takes the plaudits and naturally, the criticism.

 

Maybe we do need a win from nothing to kick start the season. However, these massive drops in performances, fitness and general quality is frightening. That, is what most fans are worried about. 

 

 

[Guest Col city fan]

7 hours ago, LJS said:

Can we please dispense with this myth that we were decent a couple of seasons back when we were bottom of the league for months on end? We weren't. We were shit. Really ****ing shit. I remember us playing four central midfielders at home to West Brom. Not even attempting to attack the likes of Palace and Sunderland. We were truly appalling. It's okay to say we were never thrashed. That's because we never ventured from our own half. Remember the cup game at Villa Park? That was the day I turned on Pearson. The latest in a succession of games in which we barely tried to score a goal.

 

We started that season well. Looked like we'd be fine. Then Pearson panicked at us conceding too many and went ultra-defensive. He didn't change until it was almost too late. How much of that change remains his responsibility remains debatable. Either way, he deserves credit for keeping us up. But he also deserves scorn for allowing a squad easily good enough for survival to be cut adrift at the foot of the table for so long. It was a result of tactical cowardice. We were bottom because that's where we deserved to be.

That is pretty much how it happened. As I said before, it took Pearson almost a whole season to get the right system.

Regarding Ranieri I've said what I'd do already. Wait until we have our first choice CM pairing back, then see if we improve. If there are no signs of this, I'd be looking to replace him BEFORE the Jan transfer window to give the next man the window. I'd have no qualms about Sam Allardyce. Hypothetically, it would be about context. What better bloke to get in to turnaround a relegation bound side than Allardyce. I don't like him. But his track record of stabilizing football clubs is strong. And, given this scenario, that's would we'd need.

Thats what I'd be looking to do.

If you are asking me what I'm HOPING happens is that Ranieri is able to turn this pretty talented squad of players around. I like Ranieri. I'd hate to think of being sacked. But again, my allegiance is to Leicester, not to Ranieri. If we continue to look this shite, when we have our 'full strength side' back, the Thais will most probably consider his position. We can't be league Champs one season, to then be relegated the next. That would be utterly farcical.

 

[Rialto 290352]

The owners absolutely will not accept the club being relegated.  Not in their plans and they would lose massive face at home in Thailand if that was to happen.  So the issue is really whether they think that Claudio, with more players bought in January, can turn this situation round or whether a new manager could do better?  Given that a possible new manager would want to have an input into player buying in January I think that the next few games are massive for Claudio.   If there are no signs of an improvement both in results and performance then I would expect Claudio to be gone by the New Year.  I'm sure it will be "by mutual agreement" and will be as painless as possible.  Massive respect felt towards what he achieved but its a current results driven business and this season has been a disaster so far.  

[Guest Col city fan]

1 minute ago, Rialto 290352 said:

The owners absolutely will not accept the club being relegated.  Not in their plans and they would lose massive face at home in Thailand if that was to happen.  So the issue is really whether they think that Claudio, with more players bought in January, can turn this situation round or whether a new manager could do better?  Given that a possible new manager would want to have an input into player buying in January I think that the next few games are massive for Claudio.   If there are no signs of an improvement both in results and performance then I would expect Claudio to be gone by the New Year.  I'm sure it will be "by mutual agreement" and will be as painless as possible.  Massive respect felt towards what he achieved but its a current results driven business and this season has been a disaster so far.  

Best post I've read in a while.

Spot on.

[Mike Oxlong]

The players should love Claudio. 

 

His approach and management style created the environment that enabled their remarkable achievements last season and without him they wouldn't have picked up the keys to their BMW's and £100k contracts.

 

For those that can't get motivated to play for the fans who gave them the best atmosphere in the country , the owners who have backed the team to the hilt both on and off the pitch and for the manager whose neck may now be on the block ..... well quite frankly, those players can fvckin do one.

[Guest Col city fan]

8 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

The players should love Claudio. 

 

His approach and management style created the environment that enabled their remarkable achievements last season and without him they wouldn't have picked up the keys to their BMW's and £100k contracts.

 

For those that can't get motivated to play for the fans who gave them the best atmosphere in the country , the owners who have backed the team to the hilt both on and off the pitch and for the manager whose neck may now be on the block ..... well quite frankly, those players can fvckin do one.

I am wondering whether Ranieri comes across like Sven.

First season...everyone is happy cos he's chirpy, easy going, let's them get on with it, supportive etc etc.

Then when the players realize that's it i.e. What else is there after the 'niceness', they start to take the piss.

Top footballers are generally an arrogant bunch of fookers really. They've been brought up not having to do much for themselves, they've been lavished with cars, money, etc since a very early age. If they see they can start to rule the roost, they often will.

That's pretty much why the best football managers in history have been tough bar stewards. Having a nasty streak themselves. Certainly no pushovers. Ferguson, Clough, Shankley, etc.

Id imagine that Antionio Conte in the modern era, is like this. I doubt the Chelsea lot run him...it will be the other way round.

Im wondering whether Claudio, pretty much like Sven, starts suffering from his second season onwards, due to this reason. Just a thought.

Ranieri's post match interview on Weds was interesting. He kept on saying 'it was my fault, it was my fault', when actually he HAD given the fringe players a chance and they had let him down big time. He might have done that to deflect any blame away from them. I get that. But I did wonder on Weds why he wasn't publically a bit more angry than he was. I'm hoping behind the scenes and away from the camera, he was fookin fuming and has given the overpaid little tossers a real talking to.

[chapero82]

8 hours ago, Struwwelpeter60 said:

Two years ago, we were at rock bottom, although we didn't have the strain of six additional CL matches

before Christmas. The members of the Pearson Adoration Society tend to forget that.

If you add the Community Shield game, the team played, so far, almost 50% more matches this

season, than in the same period 2015/16 and 2014/15.

That's a huge difference, you seem to ignore.

 

I'm not a Pearson adoration society! I wouldn't have him back here, but you always believed this would turn around that season! This one you can't see where the change is going to come as nobody seems to want to do anything 

[chapero82]

8 hours ago, seenitall said:

Ressies - nothing to play for doesn't count move on

So all the away games in the premier league doesn't count either? 

[Guest]

The bigger question to this (if not already asked as i'm not reading through all 28 pages) is if Claudio does not have a pass for much longer who is available and likely to replace him.

 

If it's big sam or woy then i'd rather stick with what we have

[Mike Oxlong]

Would prefer to eat breakfast of my crumbled poo on bran flakes than have Allardyce in

 

And I really hate bran flakes

[desertfox2]

In Ranieris defence it probably wasn't him that decided to go off galavanting around the world playing in that Champions cup thing. There was only one reason for doing that and it was money.

 

We should have had the exact same preseason as last year as it clearly worked and we were one of, if not the, fittest sides in the league.

[Number 6]

19 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

I'm not a Pearson adoration society! I wouldn't have him back here, but you always believed this would turn around that season! This one you can't see where the change is going to come as nobody seems to want to do anything 

 Weirdly the day I gave up hope that season was Hull at home. What followed was alright.

[seenitall]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

Best post I've read in a while.

Spot on.

Don't agree at all - it's all just a rush of emotion after doing so well last season - this is the first run of bad form in 18 months, every team has them and we are having ours now. We have still only lost twice at home in the league in a season and a half and are last 16 of CL. We have two or three major players out of the team or off form, all of which can be rectified in the coming weeks. I still believe we will finish top ten and a sneaky next round win in the CL (only one goal conceded in qualifying) and 15 more points by the end of Feb and we will predicting greatness and immortality for CR - get behind the team and manager and I'm sure it will come good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest Col city fan]

11 minutes ago, seenitall said:

Don't agree at all - it's all just a rush of emotion after doing so well last season - this is the first run of bad form in 18 months, every team has them and we are having ours now. We have still only lost twice at home in the league in a season and a half and are last 16 of CL. We have two or three major players out of the team or off form, all of which can be rectified in the coming weeks. I still believe we will finish top ten and a sneaky next round win in the CL (only one goal conceded in qualifying) and 15 more points by the end of Feb and we will predicting greatness and immortality for CR - get behind the team and manager and I'm sure it will come good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

What are you not agreeing with? The poster said the Thais absolutely won't stand for relegation and that the next few games are massive for Ranieri. I think he's right.

[LCFC_SAM17]

These next two months are massive before we are back in champions league action. Would like him to find new formation, ship out unhappy/deadwood players and bring in young centre half (Huth, Morgan and Wasyl all old), decent central midfielder (feel sorry for Drinkwater this season, Mendy injured, Amartey not good enough, King and James not starters) and new full backs (Chilwell maybe going and Hernandez not good enough, maybe get pacey fullbacks to fit into a new system). Forget last season, get behind the team and focus on 40 points again. 

[filthyfox]

I thought u would say this- if we win against Man City tomorrow ALL IS FORGIVEN! If we lose by 2 goals; c'est la view.  If we lose by more than 2 and dont get a win against bournemouth or West Ham, then off you trot!

[halferowley2]

http://When Ranieri was first appointed he was treated as a joke (including by our own Saint Gary of MOTD) the bookies had him favourite Premier Manager to be sacked first. However, last season was a surprise to us all, mostly of course to the bookies. An inexpensive team that had the character to win the league. We are no longer an inexpensive team, our expectations have risen, we did not expect to win anything this season nor did we expect to be near the relegation zone. The media expected the way we are playing this season to have happened last season. LCFC did not plan ahead we really appear not to have any strength in depth. Most players look a shadow of how they played last season. Even in the season of the great escape we looked good and played some good football but could not get the results until those last few matches. Its now up to the owners to protect their investment in this club if they want to stay in the premier. As a fan I will keep going to the matches whatever league we are in and I have to accept I cant influence the teams performance other than turning up and supporting them whoever is the owner or manager.

[Danno]

I've never seen a url that long. 

[norwichfox]

12 minutes ago, DanNDH88 said:

I've never seen a url that long. 

Me neither...did you click on it....