Moksky Posted 9 December 2016 Posted 9 December 2016 15 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said: Errr, no you started the insults. You have this profound view that your knowledge is so far advanced that it's gospel. You, like everyone else post on a forum. You hold no high up special position that allows you to consider yourself right. I would suspect if you do consider yourself in the know, you hold nothing more than a low level position at the club or a groupie of one of the players. On your points, others at the club may have the final say but are you seriously trying to tell me that Claudio has no input at all on players? What about tactics? Team selection? You say he works within the realms of what is available to him - that's quite a lot compared to our competitors! The big issue is, the performances are dire. The players are not responding and it's clear as day on each match day that something quite catastrophic is not working. The club have not prepared, they are reactive despite knowing that the possibility of losing Kanye was a realistic prospect last January. Wasilewski didn't magically age over the summer but we couldn't secure a centre back? These are all genuine questions It it is not a knee jerk reaction to worry about the future of the club. It's happen before! In fact it is quite daft if one does not! We've increased salaries ten fold and will not be able to command the transfer fees we did last summer if the same players are unsuccessful. That's not knee jerk it's simple business! With FFP and players on long term contracts, outside investment from the owner is also quite limited. It should be a genuine concern. what you need to understand is the manager is the front of this all. If he isn't responsible for signings, tactics or training, then why is he on the payroll? Rudkin or Neville are not the murial from last year, it's Claudio. Therefore, he takes the plaudits and naturally, the criticism. Maybe we do need a win from nothing to kick start the season. However, these massive drops in performances, fitness and general quality is frightening. That, is what most fans are worried about. Wind your neck in, have a look at your first post, I mention personal insult. READ why I say and dont keep continually interpreting how you want to read it or making your own assumptions. I dont have to prove anything about my knowledge, who I know or what I know. Let alone on a forum. Once again, player recruitment is not down to him, he does of course have a input further down the line before a decision is made. Leicester had the opportunity to break the £38m release clause of Silva but Claudio did not say no, it was the club. The same happened on Michael Keane. The same but to lesser extent on Troy Deeney, as he made his mind up he prefered to stay at Watford. What manager would say no to quality players being put to his disposal! Salaries are not down to Ranieri, the club negotiate those with players agents. Ranieri does not want to lose player unless he has adqeuate or better replacements. It doesnt take a rocket scientist that Claudio selects formation and the players in play within the formation, that is what I would like to see him change a little. More formation than wholesale line up changes. I wil repeat I wish he would make couple of changes to let the one of two of our players recharge, they do look jaded after being fortunate enough without injuries last season, and playing a virtually unchanged starting 11 most of the time, the Euros came after, CL takes its toll, a bad preseason with the travelling took its toll. To sack Ranieri after 14 games is absolutely knee jerk, we have more points that Pearson had at the same stage, he got to 13 after 18/19 games or so. Revenue has increase more due to TV rights and being Champions and entering the Champions league. Do you really think the owners would jeopardise the existence of the club to pay Mahrez , Vardy and co. £100k+ salaries. Look at the net spend, its nothing in comparison to what the club are bringing in. Therefore you are questioning the integrity of our successful Thai owners business acumen. This is telling us all a lot about you, to quote that is simple business! You really dont have a scooby do. Is it not right to sack Ranieri over his squad, or recruitment. Claudi is the manager, as in one of your previous posts where you dare to accuse me of having 60's ideology, he is a modern manager in a modern football club structure.... need I say more. Managers simply do not run the whole club anymore. He is a Head Coach. Yes he has to take the majoirty critscism for the performances, he takes the plaudits and critiscism, However he has to work within the tools within his disposal. We sold our best player, and ironically Chelsea are top of the league, are you blaming him for this also? Of course all fans are concerned, realistically our position is where we expected to be last season. 40 points is the target, however all our expectations just got that much higher, I wonder why............ There is overall disappointment we are not CURRENTLY in or on the edges of qualifying positions for Europe again, or kicking on from being relegation candidates. No reason to sack him with what he is contending with. Back the team and the manager, show support at the KP like we did last season, make it intimidating, if it doesnt turn then at then and only then at right time he will have to naturally part with the club at the right point. That is 100% not now.
Rialto 290352 Posted 9 December 2016 Posted 9 December 2016 It is reasonable to assume that Claudio would have been displeased with the performances of the team right from the pre-season games. In those the side set the low standards of performance and effort they have been consistently reproducing in most matches since. So from the start of the season Claudio would have been, lets say assertive, in pointing out the faults of the side as a whole and individuals within it. Far from making them improve they have got even worse! So is this some sort of deliberate ignoring of what Claudio is telling them to do? Are they so pampered and over paid that they just no longer care? The current performances are a disgrace to the club and to the professionalism of the players involved. I feel sorry for fans paying a lot of money to go to watch a side who cannot even be bothered to acknowledge them. I would so love it if Claudio could turn this situation around but fear that he can't. Incidentally being based in Scotland now I would contrast the attitude of the City squad with that of Celtic. A side they drew with pre season. Although nothing like as well paid or powerful on paper as City at least Celtic had a real "go" at Manchester City midweek. That effort is the least fans should expect from their side.
Babylon Posted 11 December 2016 Posted 11 December 2016 Worried to **** he suggested changing it but the players said no. Who is in charge?
Moksky Posted 11 December 2016 Posted 11 December 2016 Hang your heads in shame those who want him out, close this bastard thread down admin.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 On 12/11/2016 at 00:37, Babylon said: Worried to **** he suggested changing it but the players said no. Who is in charge? Is this true Babs? If so:
lifted*fox Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 On 11/12/2016 at 00:38, Moksky said: Hang your heads in shame those who want him out, close this bastard thread down admin. Bore off mate. Hardly anyone is absolutely gunning for him to go - most are pointing out that he needs to change things up and that sticking with 442 away from home with our current crop of players is suicide. How on earth you can argue with that is beyond me. Stop shaming everyone and asking for threads to be closed because not everyone agrees with you. It's weird tbh.
Manwell Pablo Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 On 12/9/2016 at 18:32, Moksky said: Wind your neck in, have a look at your first post, I mention personal insult. READ why I say and dont keep continually interpreting how you want to read it or making your own assumptions. I dont have to prove anything about my knowledge, who I know or what I know. Let alone on a forum. Once again, player recruitment is not down to him, he does of course have a input further down the line before a decision is made. Leicester had the opportunity to break the £38m release clause of Silva but Claudio did not say no, it was the club. The same happened on Michael Keane. The same but to lesser extent on Troy Deeney, as he made his mind up he prefered to stay at Watford. What manager would say no to quality players being put to his disposal! Salaries are not down to Ranieri, the club negotiate those with players agents. Ranieri does not want to lose player unless he has adqeuate or better replacements. It doesnt take a rocket scientist that Claudio selects formation and the players in play within the formation, that is what I would like to see him change a little. More formation than wholesale line up changes. I wil repeat I wish he would make couple of changes to let the one of two of our players recharge, they do look jaded after being fortunate enough without injuries last season, and playing a virtually unchanged starting 11 most of the time, the Euros came after, CL takes its toll, a bad preseason with the travelling took its toll. To sack Ranieri after 14 games is absolutely knee jerk, we have more points that Pearson had at the same stage, he got to 13 after 18/19 games or so. Revenue has increase more due to TV rights and being Champions and entering the Champions league. Do you really think the owners would jeopardise the existence of the club to pay Mahrez , Vardy and co. £100k+ salaries. Look at the net spend, its nothing in comparison to what the club are bringing in. Therefore you are questioning the integrity of our successful Thai owners business acumen. This is telling us all a lot about you, to quote that is simple business! You really dont have a scooby do. Is it not right to sack Ranieri over his squad, or recruitment. Claudi is the manager, as in one of your previous posts where you dare to accuse me of having 60's ideology, he is a modern manager in a modern football club structure.... need I say more. Managers simply do not run the whole club anymore. He is a Head Coach. Yes he has to take the majoirty critscism for the performances, he takes the plaudits and critiscism, However he has to work within the tools within his disposal. We sold our best player, and ironically Chelsea are top of the league, are you blaming him for this also? Of course all fans are concerned, realistically our position is where we expected to be last season. 40 points is the target, however all our expectations just got that much higher, I wonder why............ There is overall disappointment we are not CURRENTLY in or on the edges of qualifying positions for Europe again, or kicking on from being relegation candidates. No reason to sack him with what he is contending with. Back the team and the manager, show support at the KP like we did last season, make it intimidating, if it doesnt turn then at then and only then at right time he will have to naturally part with the club at the right point. That is 100% not now. Mate I don't know if you have PLAYED Football Manager or not but it's DEFO the manager that picks that salary's and picks who to sign. It's in the "transfer" section. That game is so realistic it even has more local club (Ashby Ivanhoe) on it somewhere, so it's not going to be wrong. TBF to you I don't think it was about in the 60's so you prolly not heard of it.
Vocey Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 5 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said: Mate I don't know if you have PLAYED Football Manager or not but it's DEFO the manager that picks that salary's and picks who to sign. It's in the "transfer" section. That game is so realistic it even has more local club (Ashby Ivanhoe) on it somewhere, so it's not going to be wrong. TBF to you I don't think it was about in the 60's so you prolly not heard of it. Please tell me this is a joke....
Manwell Pablo Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 7 minutes ago, Vocey said: Please tell me this is a joke.... Yeah mate I know he's not actually in the 60s like literally
Koke Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 28 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Is this true Babs? If so: He's right. Ranieri did say that after the Porto game. That's incredibly worrying. I didn't know what to make of that statement and I still don't.
HankMarvin Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 4 minutes ago, Koke said: He's right. Ranieri did say that after the Porto game. That's incredibly worrying. I didn't know what to make of that statement and I still don't. After the Man City game also
HankMarvin Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 Leicester manager Claudio Ranieri: "The result is too severe against us because we created more chances than Bournemouth. I wanted a little more in the first half. A little more and we can score goals, recover more second balls. The second half was much better. If we continue to fight at this level, sooner or later we will get a good result." http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38217809 (vid at end) "pleased with the performance" "we deserved a draw" Worrying times is these things are really felt by the manager behind closed doors, the press can see the performance stunk the place out yet CR complimentary as ever, The Foxes have conceded 19 goals on the road, one more than in all 18 away games last season and have managed 21 goals in 16 games - 13 fewer than at the same stage last term. And against Bournemouth they looked one-dimensional going forward. They mustered 12 shots but many of them arrived in a late flurry. Vardy - a hat-trick hero three days earlier - had 26 touches, the same number as Islam Slimani, who was taken off at the break and just six more than Okazaki, who replaced the Algerian. Huth's early volley - deflected wide moments before Pugh's winner - could have significantly changed proceedings but with just 37% possession on the night and only 68% of their passes finding a team-mate, Leicester were not good enough. Their display on the south coast was confused. They were slow from the off and limited in their reaction until it was too late.
ealingfox Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 This is why we need Big Nige in as assistant or co-manager. As far as we know the only player who dared tell him he was wrong was Matt Mills and look what happened to him. Headbutts, gripped up against the wall in front of everybody and sent to Bolton. Fear goes a long way and it was the residual fear of a Big Nige battering that gave us the otherworldly mental strength we had last season.
Matt Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 Well I read Ranieri was 'angry' after last night. The thing is I dare say his jokey angry persona is different to my angry. Atleast he didn't come out and say he was happy with the performance like the other week. That really did rub salt in the wounds.
Callabinho Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 As things stand we're going down, our away from is turgid yet he won't attempt something new to even try to change things. I'd rather see us try a different approach than this awful 4-4-2......
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 1 hour ago, Koke said: He's right. Ranieri did say that after the Porto game. That's incredibly worrying. I didn't know what to make of that statement and I still don't. Good Lord! How can that work? Isn't everyone concerned about this?
Babylon Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: Is this true Babs? If so: Out of his own mouth.
cityfanlee23 Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 24 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Good Lord! How can that work? Isn't everyone concerned about this? Just tuned in to this post again after leaving about page 4, whats been said? babs mentioned players saying no, to Ranieri? or are we talking Nige? Really don't have the strength to trawl through some of the long posts above!
TheMightySystem Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 Just now, cityfanlee23 said: Just tuned in to this post again after leaving about page 4, whats been said? babs mentioned players saying no, to Ranieri? or are we talking Nige? Really don't have the strength to trawl through some of the long posts above! Ranieri asked the players if they wanted the change the formation, they said no so he is sticking with 4-4-2.
cityfanlee23 Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 Just now, TheMightySystem said: Ranieri asked the players if they wanted the change the formation, they said no so he is sticking with 4-4-2. I did wonder, what the hell is going on? If he's that spineless he needs to go to be honest, We need a MANAGER at this time. so he actually said this? If you are just going to allow players to dictate what system they play, why do people need to take management courses in order to "qualify" to manage? Why don't we just get Gary Taylor Fletcher in to pick the squad. That's so worrying it's almost not believable!
HankMarvin Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 1 hour ago, Matt said: Well I read Ranieri was 'angry' after last night. The thing is I dare say his jokey angry persona is different to my angry. Atleast he didn't come out and say he was happy with the performance like the other week. That really did rub salt in the wounds. Just pleased with this one
Matt Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 1 minute ago, HankMarvin said: Just pleased with this one Oh, is that what he said? I said it the other week, some people didn't like Pearson's honesty, they couldn't handle the truth, despite that he always protected the players. Ranieri might be protecting the players with the tactic he is using, but i'm not sure how much longer I can handle Ranieri's BS, jokey, happy go lucky media persona. I'd rather hear tough talking truth.
Donut Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 I think the 442 tactics admission Ranieri made in the interview after Man City was a positive personally, but i can see how its being viewed as a negative. Its put the onus on the players. Theyre the ones who said no, we think this formation is the best to use, we just have to make it work better. It was like the players were owning up to the fact that they havent done nearly enough. I wish they would because talk is cheap.
HankMarvin Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 Just now, Matt said: Oh, is that what he said? I said it the other week, some people didn't like Pearson's honesty, they couldn't handle the truth, despite that he always protected the players. Ranieri might be protecting the players with the tactic he is using, but i'm not sure how much longer I can handle Ranieri's BS, jokey, happy go lucky media persona. I'd rather hear tough talking truth. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38217809 watch the video near the end 2m.40s
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