How much longer does Claudio get a pass?

[dave982]

Has anyone considered that Ranieri actually wants to be sacked?

 

Might think it sounds bonkers but it's actually not...

 

When he first joined there would have been a very low release clause in his contract to get rid of him (his reputation was not good after Greece). And also the money he was on originally was less than person was on.

It was up to him to do as well as he possibly could to get a better deal /bonus payments for the first season.

 

He's now on 3 million a year for the next 4 years with presumably a high release clause (if one at all) after winning the league against all odds.

 

It's also worth pointing out that this new deal would have had a hefty bonus for winning the champions league group (which he made sure of at all costs)

 

He's 65 years old. Do you really think he wants to be living in Leicester for the next 4 years, with all the stress that comes with managing?

 

Or would he prefer to be back in Italy with his wife earning 3 million a year for doing nothing?

Throughout his career he has made fortunes from getting sacked (like sven).

 

He has just won the premier league. It's never ever going to get any better. This will be his last job in management in my opinion and I'm certain he wants the bullet.

 

 

[Struwwelpeter60]

10 minutes ago, EnglishOxide said:

The difference with Pearson's run of bad form and Ranieris is that in Pearson's our team was inexperienced, clearly putting in 100%, never losing by more than one,

Simply not true.

We lost 9 games by two.

[Struwwelpeter60]

2 minutes ago, dave982 said:

Has anyone considered that Ranieri actually wants to be sacked?

 

Might think it sounds bonkers but it's actually not...

 

When he first joined there would have been a very low release clause in his contract to get rid of him (his reputation was not good after Greece). And also the money he was on originally was less than person was on.

It was up to him to do as well as he possibly could to get a better deal /bonus payments for the first season.

 

He's now on 3 million a year for the next 4 years with presumably a high release clause (if one at all) after winning the league against all odds.

 

It's also worth pointing out that this new deal would have had a hefty bonus for winning the champions league group (which he made sure of at all costs)

 

He's 65 years old. Do you really think he wants to be living in Leicester for the next 4 years, with all the stress that comes with managing?

 

Or would he prefer to be back in Italy with his wife earning 3 million a year for doing nothing?

Throughout his career he has made fortunes from getting sacked (like sven).

 

He has just won the premier league. It's never ever going to get any better. This will be his last job in management in my opinion and I'm certain he wants the bullet.

 

 

Have you watched him during the last games?

Obviously not?

Look the next time on his face, when again everything is going

downhill and you will realize, how absurd your insinuation is.

The man is not happy. Not at all.

To put it mildly.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

The biggest imponderable or doubt really as I see it is if, and I sadly don't think it's if now, we are in a relegation fight, is Claudio the right sort of manager to steer us successfully in that? He was truly superb last season taking the pressure away from players throughout and especially in the title run-in. No one should deny that. He certainly played a massive and key role in winning it.

 

But the other end of the table is more unforgiving requiring differing management I reckon. There you need a more belligerent approach that perhaps he lacks? 

 

The man is class and I hope does turn it and us around. It would be awful for last season's unforgettable achievement to be tarnished, for him and the club. But there's no sentiment in business and if we are still plunging downwards after Christmas without any fight, I fear his time will be up. 

[dave982]

6 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said:

Have you watched him during the last games?

Obviously not?

Look the next time on his face, when again everything is going

downhill and you will realize, how absurd your insinuation is.

The man is not happy. Not at all.

To put it mildly.

And you base the fact that my conspiracy theory isn't right on ranieris facial expressions? 

 

Fair enough, my conspiracy theory may not be correct. But that isn't a way of proving it isn't. 

 

He's hardly going to be laughing and saying 'this is brilliant. I hope we lose every game so I can get back to Italy as soon as possible'. 

 

This happens in football all the time. When a manager wants out, he doesn't resign and lose all money he's entitled to in his contract. He tries to get sacked. If you think it doesn't happen then you don't understand the way modern football has gone

 

 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

He goes in January if we're this bad. No sentiment for me. Horrendous six months after the best time for recruitment in the club's history.

[Struwwelpeter60]

1 hour ago, dave982 said:

And you base the fact that my conspiracy theory isn't right on ranieris facial expressions? 

 

Fair enough, my conspiracy theory may not be correct. But that isn't a way of proving it isn't. 

 

He's hardly going to be laughing and saying 'this is brilliant. I hope we lose every game so I can get back to Italy as soon as possible'. 

 

This happens in football all the time. When a manager wants out, he doesn't resign and lose all money he's entitled to in his contract. He tries to get sacked. If you think it doesn't happen then you don't understand the way modern football has gone

 

 

Come clear.

Are you saying, he is trying to lose matches intentionally, or not?

If yes, how is he doing it?

How does he prevent, that Vardy and Mahrez are giving their best?

Did he bribe Huth to score an own goal?

Did he persuade Kante to leave?

It's absurd.

Is everybody here going bonkers?

 

[Kendal Fox]

On 05/12/2016 at 08:14, Gerbold said:

You all have your opinions and recommendations - some of them are more perceptive than others though. Turns out that Kante was the most important player in the squad and I wonder now if he knew full well himself that that was the case. Cambiasso turned his back on City as well.

We're now one of the thirty most expensive squads in the world - so money ain't a problem. Except that it has been spent on attackers - the most unreliable and inconsistent players in any squad. I'm coming to the conclusion that midfield is where any team should be concentrating its attentions and cash, because that's where the games are won or lost.

I've also concluded that, if players want to go, then let them. Also, if their continued presence is disruptive, whatever the reason, then show them the door. All the great managers had and have two qualities -  ruthlessness and great motivational skills. All this talk about systems is meaningless when you have intelligent, determined, self motivated and focused players on your books. I see Kaspar Schmeichel, Christian Fuchs, Danny Drinkwater and Shinji Okazaki fulfilling those criteria. What Mendy might bring could be stablisation but it can't be relied on. That's just grasping at straws.

We had the Steve Walsh method - we even had the Leicester ethos -  buy the right player. Then it seemed we got carried away with the big signings. It's not worked...but int the chaos surrounding the title win was anything going to work?

Ranieri might be soft and sentimental - however, he's had to manage an eruption of unprecendented events in Leicester's history. Of course there are those of you who want him gone - but I don't want Sam Allardyce or Ryan Giggs coming within eighty miles of my club.

Sometimes you have to endure because it's the right and honourable and mature thing to do. Knee-jerk reactions are a sign of petulance and immaturity. I despise Man Utd and their supporters for demanding success - talk about the exodus of our recent converts doesn't concern me whatsoever -  it means I can get to see the team play and I'm used to mediocrity anyway as far as City are concerned :-).

If the Sris are committed to City then this drop in form will be a blip. Money will continue to be available to consolidate the clubs position. Even if we're relegated I don't believe it would be for long. I don't want that - I'm as proud of my team as any other Leicester fan yet this 'meltdown' was almost inevitable given the circumstances.

I wrote this as a vague overview - not as a plan to put things right. I want City to play attractive and competent football and for no other club to come to the KP and think it's going to be a doddle and find out they're right.

 

 

Couldn't agree more.

I also think we need to stand by Claudio... The thought of Allardyce and his brand of turgid, mediocrity hidden to an extent with this "Big Sam", "hit first and ask questions later" crap fills me with dread...

[Guy]

I think everything by now would normally be pointing towards Pearson returning for a record breaking third spell were he not sacked in such non footballing circumstances in summer 2015. We will have to see what things bring after the January transfer window still though I suppose but as things stand for now I don't have Claudio down as a relegation battler tactician at all......if he were so then he would surely have acted on the infamous 4-4-2 formation long ago by now rather than just 'hoping' things would improve and it would start to work once the players all knew their jobs and would rediscover their confidence and form again......a virtue which seems a million miles away at this present time though! 

[SpinneyHillRanger]

the thing is....in Italy the local and national press would be hammering Ranieri on his tactics and persisting with 442, king and amartey, no gray etc. but here.... he just gets a pass..... a bit of a dilly dong here and there and wow this guy is great.

 

 

he won a lot of awards in the close season.... i think it's affected him and he's grown a big ego where he must prove the 442 works.... so that he can say  last year wasn't some fluke.

 

 

he needs to come to terms with reality and the players we have. and he needs to find it out fast.... because we have opposition players pointing it out (deeney)....so all the opposition managers will know how shit we are too

[Donut]

Firstly, the pragmatic bit that youre all going to ignore, quote with hate and demand Ranieri's head on a platter.

 

We were playing a load of reserves tonight, some of which are blatantly not good enough to get near a Leicester shirt even in spite of our first team performers being awful, away to a respected Champions League team who are strong at home, they beat sides regulary who arent resting players, so a bad team resting players with everything on the line, i expected Porto would win.

 

However, you cant excuse the absolute shambles and a 5-0, it is unnacceptable.

 

For me, there must be things happening behind the scenes with the players. It cant all be down to Ranieri, because he has proven his quality as a manager in winning the league. You dont just become an awful manager when 99% of Leicester fans would agree he was our greatest ever manager in May.

 

Likewise, not all the staff have changed. Shakespeare is still here for example. Is he doing nothing? what input is he having these days? It cant all be the departure of Walsh, its just too convenient to say that. Some of the players he had scouted turned out to be complete duffers, Kramaric springs to mind, and players like Musa had been looked at long before he left. So its not ALL about Walsh leaving either.

 

Im really at a loss to explain what has happened. To pretty much everyone.

 

What i would say though is, irrespective of Ranieri's talents as a manager, if a dressing room is lost, its not coming back until there is a change. Im a huge Ranieri fan, but sadly, sometimes its the only way to repair a situation if a managers position becomes untennable.

 

The players really need to look at themselves too. Winning the league a matter of months ago, some of them look like they literally cannot be bothered. It is just not acceptable. Winners in sport go again, and again, and again.......Sir Alex Ferguson and Man Utd, Michael Scchumacher, Tiger Woods, Michael Phelps, Usain Bolt.....if they cant lift themselves to play, that in my eyes ultimately makes them losers.

 

I do also find it surprising, and very sad, to read the reactions on here. The club has been in a much, much worse state in the past. Yet there is a real sense of anger in a lot of posts. We had come together in May, everyone embraced the best thing that has ever, and likely will ever happen to the club. Its almost like it never happened now, people lambasting the manager and wanting him sacked. Hes not a shit manager, we know he isnt, and i know full well this season has been dreadful. But the anger reserved for Ranieri has been disproportionate compared to the state of the club now, and what he has given us.

 

 

 

 

[simon789us]

No passion no heart where's my team gone from last year yes I never expected to hit the heights of last year but come on this is embarrassing love Claudio to bit for what he has done for this club but he doesn't seem to have a plan B I know we made changes last night but my god that was shocking and before people say I'm a plastic been a supporter all my life through the dark days of league one etc will alway be and forever lcfc come on boys show some passion for the club

[Guest Col city fan]

5 hours ago, Struwwelpeter60 said:

Simply not true.

We lost 9 games by two.

Is that true?

If so, yet again the blinkers are on when it comes to people's recollections of the Premiership season under Pearson.

Or was it under Cambiasso?

I don't bloody know!

 

[Guest Col city fan]

2 hours ago, Donut said:

Firstly, the pragmatic bit that youre all going to ignore, quote with hate and demand Ranieri's head on a platter.

 

We were playing a load of reserves tonight, some of which are blatantly not good enough to get near a Leicester shirt even in spite of our first team performers being awful, away to a respected Champions League team who are strong at home, they beat sides regulary who arent resting players, so a bad team resting players with everything on the line, i expected Porto would win.

 

However, you cant excuse the absolute shambles and a 5-0, it is unnacceptable.

 

For me, there must be things happening behind the scenes with the players. It cant all be down to Ranieri, because he has proven his quality as a manager in winning the league. You dont just become an awful manager when 99% of Leicester fans would agree he was our greatest ever manager in May.

 

Likewise, not all the staff have changed. Shakespeare is still here for example. Is he doing nothing? what input is he having these days? It cant all be the departure of Walsh, its just too convenient to say that. Some of the players he had scouted turned out to be complete duffers, Kramaric springs to mind, and players like Musa had been looked at long before he left. So its not ALL about Walsh leaving either.

 

Im really at a loss to explain what has happened. To pretty much everyone.

 

What i would say though is, irrespective of Ranieri's talents as a manager, if a dressing room is lost, its not coming back until there is a change. Im a huge Ranieri fan, but sadly, sometimes its the only way to repair a situation if a managers position becomes untennable.

 

The players really need to look at themselves too. Winning the league a matter of months ago, some of them look like they literally cannot be bothered. It is just not acceptable. Winners in sport go again, and again, and again.......Sir Alex Ferguson and Man Utd, Michael Scchumacher, Tiger Woods, Michael Phelps, Usain Bolt.....if they cant lift themselves to play, that in my eyes ultimately makes them losers.

 

I do also find it surprising, and very sad, to read the reactions on here. The club has been in a much, much worse state in the past. Yet there is a real sense of anger in a lot of posts. We had come together in May, everyone embraced the best thing that has ever, and likely will ever happen to the club. Its almost like it never happened now, people lambasting the manager and wanting him sacked. Hes not a shit manager, we know he isnt, and i know full well this season has been dreadful. But the anger reserved for Ranieri has been disproportionate compared to the state of the club now, and what he has given us.

 

 

 

 

Obviously very naively on my part, hand on heart I looked at our first team last night and thought we didn't put out a bad side!

People have been going on about starting Hamer , Gray, Chilwell. We had a first good look at Mendy. Musa was not an inexpensive signing. And there have been shouts for dropping Huth. 

In some ways last night, many posters on here got their wish. At 12/1 I assume quite a few had a little flutter too?

 

To see us then getting humiliated in the way we did was baffling. It smacked of a squad last night who looked like they just didn't want to be there. They looked like they didn't give a shite. Genuinely.

Ranieri even said before the game that some of the young uns/reserves had their chance to impress last night. Yet not one of them took it. Gray was possibly the best of a very very bad bunch.

Just to put it into some sort of perspective last night (and this is maybe the most concerning bit of all), we played a Porto side who had been struggling domestically. I think they are fourth? in their league and have found scoring goals very difficult.

Last night, they scored FIVE and could have got more whilst we didn't score a single goal in return.

 

Apart from the fun of going to Portugal in the Champs League, I feel for our fans last night. They'd paid good money to watch a side devoid of confidence, structure, passion and intelligence.

 

Im struggling to think of a worse City performance in recent memory, yet some posters on here suggested 'it was only to be expected'. 

 

No it wasn't. I didn't expect to win, but I expected more than that disgraceful lack of effort.

[dave982]

5 hours ago, Struwwelpeter60 said:

Come clear.

Are you saying, he is trying to lose matches intentionally, or not?

If yes, how is he doing it?

How does he prevent, that Vardy and Mahrez are giving their best?

Did he bribe Huth to score an own goal?

Did he persuade Kante to leave?

It's absurd.

Is everybody here going bonkers?

 

Players aren't playing for him anymore. Can tell a mile off. Why is this? Due to some of his astounding decisions he keeps making. 

 

Players are also not properly match fit. 

He has also ruined the team morale by playing out of form players. 

 

You can only turn into a bad manager overnight intentionally

[Bedford Fox]

9 minutes ago, dave982 said:

Players aren't playing for him anymore. Can tell a mile off. Why is this? Due to some of his astounding decisions he keeps making. 

 

Players are also not properly match fit. 

He has also ruined the team morale by playing out of form players. 

 

You can only turn into a bad manager overnight intentionally

So you are saying he is intentionally sabotaging our season?

[Guest Danny Clender]

Even after last nights comedy, I still think he stays until the end of the season.

Let's see what happens, he has to change the team and tactics soon as its clear its not working.

Although, last night was a team we'd been requesting, well at least in a round about way, rest Huth, give Chilwell a run, start with Okazaki, Mendy return, Gray instead of Mahrez, get Barnes on the bench. So in terms of trying, you can't really grumble.

Yes the 5-0 scoreline is embarrassing, at least we're still setting records, even if for the wrong reasons. 

He's not giving in to a change from 4-4-2. 

This weekend I think would be a good time to try it. 

I think no manager should be sacked mid-season. There should be a transfer window equivalent for them, just like players. I'd even narrow it down to opening on the last day of the season and closing the first day of the new. Clubs would then choose wisely, back wisely and think about what they're doing wrong, not just the manager. You've made your bed, lie in it. 

So he has my 100% backing, purely in principal to the ridiculous state of managerial sackings we've now grown accustomed to. 

We'll still do well in the Champions League, its time now for him to consolidate everything. 

[m4DD0gg]

Sadly i think its time.

 

There is something clearly wrong not just on the pitch but behind the scenes.

[Sly]

Let's be honest, most Premier League teams would have got out of that Champions League group. I have little hope of us progressing further.

 

Pull the trigger, tell him he's got until the end of the year to turn this shite around.

 

Football isn't about sentiment, by standing still, you go backwards. We've never recovered the confidence from that awful, opening day defeat against Hull.

 

A different approach is required now. This is what I expected last year. I'm not sure Claudio is the right man for this. 

[Bedford Fox]

I honestly can't believe some of these comments. Stand by your manager and team and support. All the talk about how we were the best fans last season, easy to be great fans when you're winning but now is when we need to get behind the boys and support. 

[Arkie Bennett]

Even in the run-up to the great escape, every match was edge of the seat stuff. We were losing by the fine margins that Pearson referred to. You could see our players knew they were better than the results suggested. The escape kick-started our title win; we hit the ground running and never stopped. This season those fine margins are massive gulfs. Our players look resigned to defeat, they have no spirit, confidence or self-belief. Restoring these is Ranieri's job. From the sidelines, our decline was evident even during the pre-season matches. Ranieri can't have been oblivious to it. Yet he hasn't been able to prevent it. It all points to him being unable to turn it around, and therefore he should go. 

[MC Prussian]

1 hour ago, Bedford Fox said:

I honestly can't believe some of these comments. Stand by your manager and team and support. All the talk about how we were the best fans last season, easy to be great fans when you're winning but now is when we need to get behind the boys and support. 

We've always had great fans, last season just multiplied that. Our away following over the years has always been particularly impressive, be it on a Championship or League One level.

 

Again, our title run will have to enter the annals of football as a unique moment - and I wish some people would stop looking at us taking last campaign as any sort of yardstick, when so many factors came together, allowing the team to prosper.

This time, none of these things seem to work out. And it's both a mixture of our own undoing and the opposition being much more able to suss us out.

[Ric Flair]

The more I think about the current farce, the more it's just bizarre. What we did last season was phenomenal, it just doesn't usually happen. It was by no means a fluke because you can't fluke a whole season but in sport where eventually the pressure usually gets to the underdog and the class of the better team/players usually comes out on top, we broke the mould. We dared to dream and we gave a benchmark for every smaller club or sports player that reaching the top is possible and never give up.

 

Just 3 months later and the change is even more dramatic than from 2014/15 to 2015/16. I'm scratching my head, how can we achieve what what we've done and then down tools so easily. Human nature might make you ease off a bit, but born winners keep going and I thought we'd be a tough nut to crack, Kante or no Kante.

 

You just don't win a Premier League title with that squad, it doesn't happen. A nearly man of a manager just doesn't win a Premier League title with a small club after years of falling short at the best clubs in Europe. Eventually the pressure gets to you, you've had a good run at it but you don't win major titles like that. Yet we did, we were ruthless. We were fearless. Talk about managing pressure, it made me question all of sport. It was extraordinary and I'll never forget it. What a time to be alive. However, this season is now undoing some of that. I'm losing a little respect for the players and management. They'll never take away that title from us but it's leaving a slight bitter taste.

 

I think this phenomenon should be treated as as such and there should be no sentiment if things don't improve rapidly, as its brutal once you're bogged down in the relegation zone. Losing games by several goals is not the sign of a united team. Horrible.

[Wymsey]

Just need a successful tough-tackling midfielder we've missed in Kante - which currently makes a big hole in the middle; thought Mendy was one like this; hopefully Ndidi is the answer to this.

[tyfox]

4 hours ago, Donut said:

Firstly, the pragmatic bit that youre all going to ignore, quote with hate and demand Ranieri's head on a platter.

 

We were playing a load of reserves tonight, some of which are blatantly not good enough to get near a Leicester shirt even in spite of our first team performers being awful, away to a respected Champions League team who are strong at home, they beat sides regulary who arent resting players, so a bad team resting players with everything on the line, i expected Porto would win.

 

However, you cant excuse the absolute shambles and a 5-0, it is unnacceptable.

 

For me, there must be things happening behind the scenes with the players. It cant all be down to Ranieri, because he has proven his quality as a manager in winning the league. You dont just become an awful manager when 99% of Leicester fans would agree he was our greatest ever manager in May.

 

Likewise, not all the staff have changed. Shakespeare is still here for example. Is he doing nothing? what input is he having these days? It cant all be the departure of Walsh, its just too convenient to say that. Some of the players he had scouted turned out to be complete duffers, Kramaric springs to mind, and players like Musa had been looked at long before he left. So its not ALL about Walsh leaving either.

 

Im really at a loss to explain what has happened. To pretty much everyone.

 

What i would say though is, irrespective of Ranieri's talents as a manager, if a dressing room is lost, its not coming back until there is a change. Im a huge Ranieri fan, but sadly, sometimes its the only way to repair a situation if a managers position becomes untennable.

 

The players really need to look at themselves too. Winning the league a matter of months ago, some of them look like they literally cannot be bothered. It is just not acceptable. Winners in sport go again, and again, and again.......Sir Alex Ferguson and Man Utd, Michael Scchumacher, Tiger Woods, Michael Phelps, Usain Bolt.....if they cant lift themselves to play, that in my eyes ultimately makes them losers.

 

I do also find it surprising, and very sad, to read the reactions on here. The club has been in a much, much worse state in the past. Yet there is a real sense of anger in a lot of posts. We had come together in may, everyone embraced the best thing that has ever, and likely will ever happen to the club. Its almost like it never happened now, people lambasting the manager and wanting him sacked. Hes not a shit manager, we know he isnt, and i know full well this season has been dreadful. But the anger reserved for Ranieri has been disproportionate compared to the state of the club now, and what he has given us.

 

 

 

 

Yeah after hazard scored