Moksky Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 Just now, Struwwelpeter60 said: Do you think, it was CR's decision not to pay up? No it wasnt , he doesnt have that authority
NeilLCFC Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 5 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: Shall we go through that season's fixture list so I can remind you how bad were in the majority of games before April? So many people have such a blinkered view of that season. We look much shitter this season than we did then. It was our first season in the PL and we didn't have a £30m striker.
NeilLCFC Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 2 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: Do you think, it was CR's decision not to pay up? I don't think he had a clue what he was doing in the summer. Walsh probably thought sod this and did one.
Moksky Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 1 minute ago, NeilLCFC said: We look much shitter this season than we did then. It was our first season in the PL and we didn't have a £30m striker. Agree to disagree on this, I have seen us play reasonably well in 3-4 Prem games this season, Arsenal in particular 2nd half, Spurs away, Palace after first 20mins where we were dominant. I didnt see that level in the early part of that season. We also have played well in 4 out of th 6 CL games. However when weve been dreadful we have been really bad.
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 1 minute ago, Moksky said: No it wasnt , he doesnt have that authority Spot on. No manager in the PL has a say in financial matters. He can voice his wishes, but that's it.
Moksky Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 6 minutes ago, NeilLCFC said: I don't think he had a clue what he was doing in the summer. Walsh probably thought sod this and did one. He doesnt have the final say on how much a player is worth. If you were manager of a football club, and you needed a player, would you baulk at the price of player you really wanted to make the team potentially more successful?
crazyleicester Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 If Keane and Silva were bagged as we tried, we may be talking about a different prem season. The intentions were there but the clubs werent selling. Roll on January!
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 8 minutes ago, NeilLCFC said: We look much shitter this season than we did then. It was our first season in the PL and we didn't have a £30m striker. We won the title thanks to the 41 goals of Vardy and Mahrez. Both were plying their trade already under Pearson. But with much less success: 9 goals together. What does that tell us? Was Pearson unable to get the best out of them? Or what?
Moksky Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 To be honest, the movement in Jan is small, if we sign one 1 more player I will be happy , that is of course in addition to Ndidi., 2 would be really good, but to get 3 players in Jan total is usually unheard of
dannythefox Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 19 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: Shall we go through that season's fixture list so I can remind you how bad were in the majority of games before April? So many people have such a blinkered view of that season. There was a lot of games where we deserved more out the games though. This season we've deserved everything we've got so far.
NeilLCFC Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 1 minute ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: We won the title thanks to the 41 goals of Vardy and Mahrez. Both were plying their trade already under Pearson. But with much less success: 9 goals together. What does that tell us? Was Pearson unable to get the best out of them? Or what? I'd say it was more a case of such a huge step up from the championship to PL, however they looked pretty fantastic toward the end of that season. So Pearson did in fact manage to get the best out of them
MC Prussian Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 Question is: Who'd be a realistic and suitable replacement? We'd need somebody with a certain panache, experience and motivational skills. Hmmm... Dieter Hecking (formerly with VfL Wolfsburg)? Bruno Labbadia (Hamburger SV)? Francesco Guidolin (Swansea)? Roberto Di Matteo? Roberto Mancini? Gianfranco Zola? Laurent Blanc? Marcelo "El Loco" Bielsa?
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 2 minutes ago, crazyleicester said: If Keane and Silva were bagged as we tried, we may be talking about a different prem season. The intentions were there but the clubs werent selling. Roll on January! Silva has a release clause in his contract. LCFC was not willing to trigger it, because someone decided, that he is not worth £38.5m. Ranieri has no authority to make such a decision. He is, in the end, only the manager.
Stevosevic Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 Couple more performances like that this month and he can be moved on tbh. Nobody earns the right to be able to get us relegated - that's where we're heading.
Stadt Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 It was the intensity and desire to fight for every ball and ferociously recovering into a compact 442 that made us so difficult to play through. Yet we're devoid of the determination, grit and professionalism that got us here - signing a load of foreign players for big money and big wages goes against the culture of what had been built by a select few at the club, namely Nigel Pearson. Jet setting all around the world playing show piece friendlies was the total opposite of the understated but necessary games against Burton and Birmingham. Furthermore we gained so much praise last season for what we achieved away from the pitch with the sports science and transfers team because we did things differently. We looked for players and methods that were undervalued after coming out of period of overspending with an elderly, affable but incompetent mangager and regrettably that's where we've headed once again in what should have been the club's best position ever. There's calls for perspective but whichever way I look at it we're terrible and we're not showing signs of improvement I thought we should give Ranieri until Christmas but on reflection I'm not so sure. Thanks for the best sporting shock ever Claudio but that was so last season.
dylanlegend Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 16 minutes ago, Moksky said: Agree to disagree on this, I have seen us play reasonably well in 3-4 Prem games this season, Arsenal in particular 2nd half, Spurs away, Palace after first 20mins where we were dominant. I didnt see that level in the early part of that season. We also have played well in 4 out of th 6 CL games. However when weve been dreadful we have been really bad. We beat Man United 5-3 in the early part of that season, probably my favourite game ever. It was a platform of what was to come. I also remember the performances were pretty decent even though we were losing (narrowly in most cases)
crazyleicester Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 3 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: Silva has a release clause in his contract. LCFC was not willing to trigger it, because someone decided, that he is not worth £38.5m. Ranieri has no authority to make such a decision. He is, in the end, only the manager. I read about his release clause but it was a ridiculous amount. I also here members of our hierarchy were over there trying to bring him with Slimani and they were working on it into the night. It didnt happen. Im not blaming the club as we shouldnt be held to ransom but there is little that we could do. Mendy had been added, King had been given a new contract, James was on his way back, Amartey was emerging and Danny was an England International. We can only play one with DD so we had a problem. The unfortunate thing is James has taken longer to get ready then expected, King hasnt done much, Amartey has shown promise but isnt good enough for a side in the last 16 of the Champions League and the jury is out on Mendy as the lad had a serious injury. It just hasnt worked unfortunately. Still, lets not kill ourselves, there is still time to get it right
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 3 minutes ago, NeilLCFC said: So Pearson did in fact manage to get the best out of them If 5 goals by Vardy and 4 by Mahrez were the best a manager could get out of them, what kind of wonder did happen last season? How did Ranieri get 24 goals out of Vardy and 17 out of Mahrez? Did he bewitch them, or what? Oh, sorry, I forgot, Ranieri, had, of course, nothing to do with their hugely improved performances. He is only responsible for everything, that goes pear-shaped.
dylanlegend Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 6 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: Question is: Who'd be a realistic and suitable replacement? We'd need somebody with a certain panache, experience and motivational skills. Hmmm... Dieter Hecking (formerly with VfL Wolfsburg)? Bruno Labbadia (Hamburger SV)? Francesco Guidolin (Swansea)? Roberto Di Matteo? Roberto Mancini? Gianfranco Zola? Laurent Blanc? Marcelo "El Loco" Bielsa? Allardyce, Karanka, Benitez, Mark Hughes may want a change of scenery..... but it I just know... we'll end up with Hodgson
bigDfox33 Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 Just now, dylanlegend said: Allardyce, Karanka, Benitez, Mark Hughes may want a change of scenery..... but it I just know... we'll end up with Hodgson Hodgsons a NO NO
EnglishOxide Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 3 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: If 5 goals by Vardy and 4 by Mahrez were the best a manager could get out of them, what kind of wonder did happen last season? How did Ranieri get 24 goals out of Vardy and 17 out of Mahrez? Did he bewitch them, or what? Oh, sorry, I forgot, Ranieri, had, of course, nothing to do with their hugely improved performances. He is only responsible for everything, that goes pear-shaped. Like this season where he has got **** all out of them?
Moksky Posted 7 December 2016 Posted 7 December 2016 13 minutes ago, dylanlegend said: We beat Man United 5-3 in the early part of that season, probably my favourite game ever. It was a platform of what was to come. I also remember the performances were pretty decent even though we were losing (narrowly in most cases) Ah yes the unforgettable Man U, but i will add to this season Swansea at home and Burnley at home, so there have been some reasonable efforts. Its our expectations that we are all struggling with. We are doing this season what we all expected to do last season. We showed faith in Pearson who after 18 matches I think had 10 points, if somebody can confirm this please!
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 8 December 2016 Posted 8 December 2016 1 minute ago, EnglishOxide said: Like this season where he has got **** all out of them? Have you a problem with your memory? In the 2014/15 season Vardy scored exactly one goal before the Great Escape. 1 goal in 29 games!!! Nevertheless, Pearson did not drop him. Did you blame him for that? We should give the man, who managed to win us our first major title in 132 years, at least, as much credit and time, as Pearson, who got us almost relegated.
EnglishOxide Posted 8 December 2016 Posted 8 December 2016 The difference with Pearson's run of bad form and Ranieris is that in Pearson's our team was inexperienced, clearly putting in 100%, never losing by more than one, and playing with a clear philosophy which gave us all hope that things would click and work out. That's why we supported them even through the worst times. With Ranieris run of bad form he has paid alot of money for established players, overseen heavy defeats, allowed lazy performances and there is no clear philosophy we are trying to adhere to (aside from the hopeless long ball), which makes it feel like this form will last all season. After last season we should be buzzing and cheering the team on to get out of this rut. The problem is we see no light at the end of the tunnel aside from hoping Kasper gets back soon and that Mendy is actually Kantes equal.
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