Long Eaton Fox Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 1 Poor pre season resulting in lack of fitness and lack of variation of game plans. 2 Poor recruitment 3 Loss of Kante 4 Teams have sussed out our one dimensional game plan. 5 The opposition sits further back to prevent balls to Vardy. 6 The opposition closes down our defenders resulting in balls having to be played long by our non ball playing defenders. 7 Only having Drinkwater as our playmaker. If he struggles like now, route one is the only option. 8 Loss of focus due to outside influences due to last seasons title win 9 Please add more at your discretion 10 Please add your solutions (Play Ulloa and Slimani together if we're going to have to play long balls?)
Fox92 Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Owners giving anything to the players. Even Ranieri got a new contract (wasn't it four years!!?) in the summer. Can't justify it after one good season.
AKCJ Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 2 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Owners giving anything to the players. Even Ranieri got a new contract (wasn't it four years!!?) in the summer. Can't justify it after one good season. We absolutely can justify it. It was a bit more than one good season. It was, by far, the best season this club will have. The players and the manager were rightfully rewarded.
CollinsLCFC Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 4 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Owners giving anything to the players. Even Ranieri got a new contract (wasn't it four years!!?) in the summer. Can't justify it after one good season. In hindsight yes, but after winning the league in first year of charge, it was justified.
Fox92 Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Just now, AKCJ said: We absolutely can justify it. It was a bit more than one good season. It was, by far, the best season this club will have. The players and the manager were rightfully rewarded. After one season though? Say we finished top ten this season and went far in a trophy then fair play but after one season it was a lot. I know O'Neill never won the league but what he achieved was consistent.
foxy boxing Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 poor pre season (too much travelling) poor recruitment loss of Kante players given massive contracts after one great season( instead of seeing how we did in the next few seasons after) front players not pressing anymore opposition managers and teams figuring out how we play all the time lack of decent defensive cover Mahrez and Vardy our two flair players from last season just not "on it" this season we are being overun in midfield time and time again too many wide players brought in and not enough diversity in other areas player unity has gone (ulloa not happy, Vardy down in the dumps)
AKCJ Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 1 minute ago, Fox92 said: After one season though? Say we finished top ten this season and went far in a trophy then fair play but after one season it was a lot. I know O'Neill never won the league but what he achieved was consistent. Absolutely. Hindsight is 20/20 of course.
Kitchandro Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 7 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said: 4 Teams have sussed out our one dimensional game plan. 5 The opposition sits further back to prevent balls to Vardy. More like we haven't stuck to our 'one dimensional' game plan. Teams aren't sitting back any further than they were in the 2nd half of last season, we're just not pressing high enough and therefore cannot win the ball back high up the pitch in order to exploit their weaknesses. Losing Kante was obviously a significant factor in this but not necessarily one that should have stopped us doing it. Other than that, the main issue has been a lack of effort and fight from the players. These are the 2 biggest issues.
filbertway Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 8 minutes ago, AKCJ said: We absolutely can justify it. It was a bit more than one good season. It was, by far, the best season this club will have. The players and the manager were rightfully rewarded. They should have been rewarded with bonuses. Contract extentions and massive pay rises to some players was incredibly short sighted and the stuff I'd expect of a lot of our fan base, not professionals that should have a brain. Riyad, Drinky, Kanté, Schmiechel I could argue deserved both a raise and an extension to their contracts. 32 year olds shouldn't have been given 3/4 year contracts. Neither should a striker who's 29 and game relies on pace and running around like a mad man.
BenTheFox Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 14 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said: 1 Poor pre season resulting in lack of fitness and lack of variation of game plans. 2 Poor recruitment 3 Loss of Kante 4 Teams have sussed out our one dimensional game plan. 5 The opposition sits further back to prevent balls to Vardy. 6 The opposition closes down our defenders resulting in balls having to be played long by our non ball playing defenders. 7 Only having Drinkwater as our playmaker. If he struggles like now, route one is the only option. 8 Loss of focus due to outside influences due to last seasons title win 9 Please add more at your discretion 10 Please add your solutions (Play Ulloa and Slimani together if we're going to have to play long balls?) Can't really disagree with any of that. If we signed Keane and N'Zonzi along with competition at right back in the summer I think we'd be in a far more promising position.
Kitchandro Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 4 minutes ago, Fox92 said: After one season though? Say we finished top ten this season and went far in a trophy then fair play but after one season it was a lot. I know O'Neill never won the league but what he achieved was consistent. In hindsight we gave them too much. But at the time it made sense - we were in a strong position, we were confident in the ability of some of the said high earners and we wanted to build on our success. And obviously keeping our best players was going to be key to that. If we had backed it up with ambitious signings that could displace underperforming high earners we might have been in a better position at this point.
AKCJ Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 2 minutes ago, filbertway said: They should have been rewarded with bonuses, contract extentions and massive pay rises to some players was incredibly short sighted and the stuff I'd expect of a lot of our fan base, not professionals that should have a brain. Riyad, Drinky, Kanté, Schmiechel I could argue deserved both a raise and an extension to their contracts. 32 year olds shouldn't have been given 3/4 year contracts. Neither should a striker who's 29 and game relies on pace and running around like a mad man. Vardy rightfully received an extension and pay rise. Fuchs deserved a pay rise but not that much of an extension. 2 years would have been fine.
Fox92 Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Just now, Kitchandro said: In hindsight we gave them too much. But at the time it made sense - we were in a strong position, we were confident in the ability of some of the said high earners and we wanted to build on our success. And obviously keeping our best players was going to be key to that. If we had backed it up with ambitious signings that could displace underperforming high earners we might have been in a better position at this point. Agree, especially your part about signings, but I could never understand 30 year olds signing four year deals. Players like Morgan, at their age, should have been moved along regardless of what we achieved. Two year deal max.
filbertway Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 1 minute ago, AKCJ said: Vardy rightfully received an extension and pay rise. Fuchs deserved a pay rise but not that much of an extension. 2 years would have been fine. Why the extension? Why not just a rise?
Kitchandro Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 3 minutes ago, filbertway said: They should have been rewarded with bonuses. Contract extentions and massive pay rises to some players was incredibly short sighted and the stuff I'd expect of a lot of our fan base, not professionals that should have a brain. Riyad, Drinky, Kanté, Schmiechel I could argue deserved both a raise and an extension to their contracts. 32 year olds shouldn't have been given 3/4 year contracts. Neither should a striker who's 29 and game relies on pace and running around like a mad man. Agree about Morgan, but Vardy was the 'star player' and one of the biggest influences, plus he was anted by Arsenal. We were desperate to keep him and I can see why. If we were giving big contracts to other players he warranted one too. 29 isn't old FFS, that's no excuse for his nosedive in form this season.
filbertway Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Just now, Kitchandro said: Agree about Morgan, but Vardy was the 'star player' and one of the biggest influences, plus he was anted by Arsenal. We were desperate to keep him and I can see why. If we were giving big contracts to other players he warranted one too. 29 isn't old FFS, that's no excuse for his nosedive in form this season. 29 isn't. Why would we want a 33 year old Vardy on 100k a week though?
Kitchandro Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 1 minute ago, Fox92 said: Agree, especially your part about signings, but I could never understand 30 year olds signing four year deals. Players like Morgan, at their age, should have been moved along regardless of what we achieved. Two year deal max. Yeh Morgan's was too much.
CollinsLCFC Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Just now, filbertway said: 29 isn't. Why would we want a 33 year old Vardy on 100k a week though? This would be down to discussions though, Vardy would want highest wage for the longest period of time. As would anyone. Very much doubt we would deny our (then) most prized asset what he wants and risk losing him to a club like Arsenal.
Kitchandro Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 1 minute ago, filbertway said: 29 isn't. Why would we want a 33 year old Vardy on 100k a week though? We wouldn't necessarily, but if he carried on his form for a couple of seasons and the club was still in a strong position when he was 33 it would have been seen as a good investment. It made sense to keep Vardy and we probably panicked a bit. It could have been handled a bit better, but if he was banging the goals in this season (and there was no reason to think he shouldn't) nobody would really care he was on £100K a week. Unfortunately somebody at the club has misjudged his character, because he's not really shown the club any respect since the summer and giving him what he wanted has just made him take it for granted.
l444ry Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Poor recruitment in the summer tops my list. Year after year, Title after Title, Alex Ferguson would bring in 2/3 top class additions, all ready to roll. Our signings were barely good enough to make the side, let alone improve it.
filbertway Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Just now, CollinsLCFC said: This would be down to discussions though, Vardy would want highest wage for the longest period of time. As would anyone. Very much doubt we would deny our (then) most prized asset what he wants and risk losing him to a club like Arsenal. I guess that's where you use a little bit of critical thinking. If the club came out and said "We've offered Jamie 100k a week for 3 years but he's decided to join Arsenal" then fair play. I'd feel like we've tried to show ambition but aren't being held to ransom by a player who's coming to the end of his career. Long term thinking doesn't seem to be popular in this thread though, so I'll leave it there haha.
AKCJ Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 8 minutes ago, filbertway said: Why the extension? Why not just a rise? Wasn't his contract due to expire in Summer 17? He deserved an extension.
Fox92 Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 1 minute ago, AKCJ said: Wasn't his contract due to expire in Summer 17? He deserved an extension. No, this summer I think. I don't get how he was so into the US. He stated openly he would be here for two years and that's it.... Then all of a sudden he signs a new contract.
Livid Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Pretty much agree with the OP. I get the feeling that as no bonus system was actually in place for winning the league last year the new contracts were basically in lieu of that, obviously Leo didn't get one which has put his nose out of joint somewhat. Some of what has gone so has to be laid at Ranieri's feet but a lot of it lies with other areas of the club. We had a pre-season which left us totally unprepared for the season ahead, we lost all momentum whilst being the whipping boys for PSG and being schooled by Barcelona before they took their foot off the gas. We put the fact that we were Champions of England before being Leicester City Football Club. Player Recruitment needs a complete and total overhaul. We've been after a central defender since the summer and we ended up with a Udinese reserve on loan. The CL see's us rolling in cash, screw being held to ransom, just pay the asking price. Of those we have recruited Ndidi looks the best of what I've seen so far, but that's not saying much. The player just seem so off the pace and not switched on it's unbelievable. Ndidi, who probably was our best player yesterday, tracked Mkhitaryan until he laid off the ball, Ndidi then stopped tracking and there was a simple ball straight back to Mkhitaryan who just drove forward unchallenged.
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