klrice Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 poor player coming into the club Backroom staff leaving m__k? Bad investments Big Wage packets going to the player head Too much Football in the Summer in 2016. jetting off around the world.
yorkie1999 Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Fitness is probably the root of our problems. Last season we overcame our lack of genuine ability by simply out running the other team for the whole 90 mins, and just losing Kante is nothing to do with that. This season the players look either slow or past it. Wes Morgan looks like he should be playing for the tigers.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 We have no game plan, no tactics, no formation and don't know what our best team is. Craig Shakespeare seems to have been ostracised by Clownio We brought a load of players who 'aren't ready' for the Premier League
Gerard Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 1 hour ago, AKCJ said: We absolutely can justify it. It was a bit more than one good season. It was, by far, the best season this club will have. The players and the manager were rightfully rewarded. I have no problem that our star players getting rewarded with great contracts. ie Vardy, Mahrez, Kante, Drinkwater and Schmeichel. Fair enough Vardy and Mahrez have been atrocious this season and Drinkwater has been crap since his injury but it was the right call at the time. The rest could have been adequately replaced. Giving the likes of Morgan, Simpson, Fuchs and Albrighton contracts which no other club in the world will basically pay them probably means we've made a rod for our own back over the next few years.
elvisfmcfly Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 1 hour ago, AKCJ said: We absolutely can justify it. It was a bit more than one good season. It was, by far, the best season this club will have. The players and the manager were rightfully rewarded. Does that mean now they are shit we can unreward them?
Ozwin Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 The loss of Kante has basically unfolded our entire side. He was the link between defence and attack. He literally masked the frailties of Huth and Morgan and gave us that midfield presence which we no longer have. He carried the ball, won it higher up the pitch, made everyone work that extra bit harder. It cannot be understated how big a loss he has been. With him in the side we'd be top 6 easy. He's going to go down as an all time great and we found him. We'll look back so fondly on him when we're old and grey but it's back to normality for us now.
Gerard Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 7 minutes ago, elvisfmcfly said: Does that mean now they are shit we can unreward them? That's the crux of it. They have a good season and want an improved contract. They have a bad season and all is well, it's win/win for the player.
AKCJ Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 43 minutes ago, Ozwin said: The loss of Kante has basically unfolded our entire side. He was the link between defence and attack. He literally masked the frailties of Huth and Morgan and gave us that midfield presence which we no longer have. He carried the ball, won it higher up the pitch, made everyone work that extra bit harder. It cannot be understated how big a loss he has been. With him in the side we'd be top 6 easy. He's going to go down as an all time great and we found him. We'll look back so fondly on him when we're old and grey but it's back to normality for us now. Kante away at The Emirates was comfortably the best performance I've ever seen from a Leicester player. Arsenal away, 2 man midfield and down to 10 men yet he still absolutely bossed it. Unbelievable player and I would go as far as saying that he's the best player this club will ever have.
AKCJ Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 43 minutes ago, Gerard said: That's the crux of it. They have a good season and want an improved contract. They have a bad season and all is well, it's win/win for the player. You do have to reward winning though. If you don't reward the players then what is their incentive for this season? As I've said, hindsight is 20/20 but if we didn't reward our players then the press would have taken us to the cleaners and most of our stars (not just Kante) would have left. Looking back we probably made the wrong call, but nobody disagreed at the time.
Ozwin Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 6 minutes ago, AKCJ said: Kante away at The Emirates was comfortably the best performance I've ever seen from a Leicester player. Arsenal away, 2 man midfield and down to 10 men yet he still absolutely bossed it. Unbelievable player and I would go as far as saying that he's the best player this club will ever have. You could pick one of about 38 games last season (alright I know he didn't play a few at the start) and he'd be there or abouts for MOTM in every one. Im not even mad he left anymore. I never was really. I just want to watch him flourish and hope he doesn't get any major injuries because he's going to top Makelele for absolute certainty at this rate.
Gerard Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 1 minute ago, AKCJ said: You do have to reward winning though. If you don't reward the players then what is their incentive for this season? As I've said, hindsight is 20/20 but if we didn't reward our players then the press would have taken us to the cleaners and most of our stars (not just Kante) would have left. Looking back we probably made the wrong call, but nobody disagreed at the time. Well i disagreed. As I've said I had no problem in Vardy, Mahrez, Kante, Drinkwater and Schmeichel getting new contracts as these were our best players. The rest of the team did brilliantly but lets not pretend that we weren't aware that the likes of Morgan, Huth, Fuchs, Albrighton and Simpson were anything but average PL players at best. All those players could have been improved upon.
elvisfmcfly Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 1 hour ago, AKCJ said: You do have to reward winning though. If you don't reward the players then what is their incentive for this season? As I've said, hindsight is 20/20 but if we didn't reward our players then the press would have taken us to the cleaners and most of our stars (not just Kante) would have left. Looking back we probably made the wrong call, but nobody disagreed at the time. Pride to defend your title? They've had their reward but still don't look they have an incentive,manager included.
onekeithweller Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 My misses who only follows football via my ramblings, rantings and moods asked me today why things have gone so wrong and I told her that for starters we're not the same without Kante to which she replied "So are you like The Pips without Gladys Knight?" Thought she was spot on.
coolhandfox Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 No one can say Mahrez and Vardy didn't deserve new contracts! I'm not sure this has affected the motivation as much as them seeing the club lack of ambition in the transfer market! We needed a creative number 10, one that could make use the extra space cause by deep laying defence trying to nullify Vardy's pace. At the moment they can sit off and get the deck chairs out! We we need a a big signing like Deeney, a leader amongst man, a new voice in the changing room! We we need a couple of centre half, at the moment Huth and Morgan can play crap and still get a game! At least one need to be good on the ball! As I've said in other threads we should have got proven PL midfield players in like Joe Allen, hard working and technically good on the ball! We have too many players in the 30+ or 21-23 age bracket, we need more player in the prime in the 25-28 bracket experienced but not over the hill!
ThorpeAstleyFox Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 I agree with almost all of the reasons that have been given but would like to add one that hasn't - the change to the non-grappling rules for defenders. Physicality was a major part of both Morgan's and Huth's game last season (and the only part of Wasileski's!). As soon as these rules were changed they both lost a major part of their defensive qualities.
SpinneyHillRanger Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 Kante x11 In hindsight kante was the key to our success. Kante was everything we were not the seasons before and after. Without him we are 17-10 table team at best. Watching his YouTube video compilations of his recent performances at Liverpool and arsenal... Is inspiring and reminds me of last year... What a player.... Best in the world.
AyewJoking Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 slightly off topic but do you think vardy may have a clause in his contract that says he must have the same wages as the highest paid player (i know he currently is the highest paid but..........) could this have been a reason we flopped in the january window as we probably regretted giving vardy such a long deal and didnt want to throw more money at him by signing targets that would likely have demanded wages in excess of 100k per week? geting a little carried away but could this also rub off on team mates resenting vardy for this and putting in minimal effort, lowering the club into a situation where no new signings would want to join for less than 100k plus?
MC Prussian Posted 7 February 2017 Posted 7 February 2017 On days like this, I'd like to remind everyone that we signed Islam Slimani last summer at a bargain price of £28m - a player with currently the same impact as Leonardo Ulloa the season before (but who cost a fraction of that). Musa cost £16m, Mendy £13m... Meanwhile, Zenit St. Petersburg paid a whopping 8 million Euro (£6.8m) for Giuliano, an attacking midfielder we so desperately needed. Joe Allen, Bojan Krkic, they were all available. In defense: Matip, Keane, Nordveidt, Djilobodji, Trippier, Naughton. C'mon, there were options on the market. Instead, we chose to reward our title winners only, without creating good enough competition to keep everybody on their toes. This, coupled with an overly spoilt original core group, is another factor that contributes to complacency. If that doesn't tell you how wrong it all went in terms of transfers, then what does? I know that Premier League clubs unfortunately tend to pay over the odds in comparison anyway, due to the massive amount of money generated, but I still think we could've gone for more quality signings for less. Spending in the excess of £70m, with only one new signing looking promising so far (Ndidi) reeks of incompetence, no matter how much luck involved in scouting; Kapustka being a prime example (Ranieri allegedly didn't want him, we signed him regardless - just for the sake of it?). Selling Schlupp for £12m is but a smokescreen and in Hernandez' case, we can count ourselves lucky that we sold him for a minor profit, too. But it's not just last summer: Benalouane cost £5m but has hardly ever featured since then; Inler cost about the same, same situation, lasted a season, now gone. Andrej Kramaric for £9m, sold on for less than that without the player ever really having made an impact. We're a bit like a regular guy going into a casino. Throwing money around, hoping to hit the jackpot on one single occasion because we were once lucky to make some cash before. But we all know, we'll just terribly lose out in the end.
murphy Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 On 06/02/2017 at 13:13, Long Eaton Fox said: 1 Poor pre season resulting in lack of fitness and lack of variation of game plans. 2 Poor recruitment 3 Loss of Kante 4 Teams have sussed out our one dimensional game plan. 5 The opposition sits further back to prevent balls to Vardy. 6 The opposition closes down our defenders resulting in balls having to be played long by our non ball playing defenders. 7 Only having Drinkwater as our playmaker. If he struggles like now, route one is the only option. 8 Loss of focus due to outside influences due to last seasons title win 9 Please add more at your discretion 10 Please add your solutions (Play Ulloa and Slimani together if we're going to have to play long balls?) I would add to that: 11 Loss of form and confidence. 12 Loss of Steve Walsh, Mills and Wrigglesworth from back room staff. 13 General malaise hanging over the club 14 zero creativity/goal threat 15 Mahrez gone into hibernation 16 Loss of intensity in play 17 Poor recruitment (I just thought that needed saying twice). Apart from that, everything is fine...
murphy Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 Can't we just start digging up some more car parks? See if we can find anymore kings?
Detroit Blues Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 3 hours ago, SpinneyHillRanger said: Kante x11 In hindsight kante was the key to our success. Kante was everything we were not the seasons before and after. Without him we are 17-10 table team at best. Watching his YouTube video compilations of his recent performances at Liverpool and arsenal... Is inspiring and reminds me of last year... What a player.... Best in the world. Serious question, would we even be good if Kante was still with the team? I feel like a lot of players have regressed, and i'm not sure dropping the world's best defensive midfielder would fix whats wrong with us right now.
murphy Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 15 minutes ago, Detroit Blues said: Serious question, would we even be good if Kante was still with the team? I feel like a lot of players have regressed, and i'm not sure dropping the world's best defensive midfielder would fix whats wrong with us right now. Please don't let this become another Kante thread. Sick to death of hearing his bloody name. Move on!
WigstonWanderer Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 On 6 February 2017 at 21:39, CollinsLCFC said: This would be down to discussions though, Vardy would want highest wage for the longest period of time. As would anyone. Very much doubt we would deny our (then) most prized asset what he wants and risk losing him to a club like Arsenal. True, and I said as much at time, but with hindsight..... Never mind, next time we win the league we'll know better. Just to add, the main problem at present seems to be lack of confidence, presumably brought on by the poor results caused by the issues mentioned above. This seems to be resulting in players not wanting the ball.
SpinneyHillRanger Posted 8 February 2017 Posted 8 February 2017 3 hours ago, Detroit Blues said: Serious question, would we even be good if Kante was still with the team? I feel like a lot of players have regressed, and i'm not sure dropping the world's best defensive midfielder would fix whats wrong with us right now. I'm not sure it would help much right now as the players egos/confidence has been hit for six. From a psychological point of view, it seems to me that they know now they were pretty crap and it was kante who took them to that level. Listing to huth (who called him the best player in the league and was pinning hopes on Mendy to be a like for like replacement( or Ranieri who aknowledged he did the work of two in our midfield. Anyone who watches kante in his recent performances will realise he is what the main difference is. And knowing that as a player or even thinking it can destroy the confidence you had coming into this season. It's not saying we can't win without him, because obviously we can and have shown that we can. The problem is we can't reach that next level, where we play a "big team" and go into the match as genuine 50/50 match. And I would have that confidence last year whether we played Barca, real Madrid, man utd , man city, anyone. Kante was/is very Special player and person
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