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President Trump & the USA

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leicsmac

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4 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

This Arizona policeman is not up to date regarding the 1st Amendment:

https://www.thisisinsider.com/hilde-lysiak-confronted-patagonia-marshal-joseph-patterson-near-mexico-border-2019-2

 

Seriously, now it's the cops' duty to threaten a 12-year old? lol

Nah, he probably knows all about it, just doesn't think it applies to him.

 

Cracking effort from that young reporter.

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4 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Feel like i'm just a massive MAGA lad now lol Still.....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/25/say-what-you-will-about-trump-but-his-tactics-on-north-korea-are-working

Nah, I loathe Trump (and more pertinently ones in his administration) just about as much as any one in his favoured demographic could but even I have said that the way things have panned out with the NK's (and possibly manned spaceflight revival) are good.

 

Just a shame about pretty much everything else, really.

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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/20/2020-candidates-social-media-attack-1176018

 

I'm not sure how much mileage is in this, but seeing as dividing the Dem supporters through this kind of tactic did so spectacularly well in 2016 and the predilection of the Left to eat itself at the slightest opportunity, as well as it being their best (perhaps only) chance to win next year, it would make sense that those who support Trump and the Repubs would want to try it again.

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32 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Trump abroad:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47381718

 

And at home:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47375079

 

Really looking forward to Cohen's testimony. The fact that he has documents to prove some of Trump's criminal activity is crucial to possible impeachment. If we've learned anything from Justin Smollett, it's that if you're going to commit a crime, you certainly shouldn't be writing personal checks that prove it. That's why Trump was so unraveled on twitter when the feds raided Cohen's office. 

 

 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47389621

 

Interesting times.

Cohen. lol

A guy who pretty much lied to everyone around him. Congress, law enforcement, IRS, you name it.

Nothing he said in his remarks proved to be anything new or groundbreaking. Mostly gossip, that's it.

 

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2 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

Cohen. lol

A guy who pretty much lied to everyone around him. Congress, law enforcement, IRS, you name it.

Nothing he said in his remarks proved to be anything new or groundbreaking. Mostly gossip, that's it.

 

Oh yes, there's no doubt that Cohen lies as easily as he breathes (possibly why Trump found him useful) but what I don't get is why he'd lie so comprehensively about what he's saying now, other than for the lulz or to try to stick it to his former boss for not doing enough to save him from his current situation, I guess.

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There are a few things I can't get my head round 

 

1. Only a guilty man would act like this.

 

2. If it is all, as he claims, a baseless witch hunt, a good politician would let it fizzle out and move on, yet he constantly brings it up. He repeatedly tries to undermine it and suggest it's biased and that those carrying it out are corrupt, whilst suggesting his opponent in 2016 is the real criminal. 

 

3. His base, which appears to ignore point 1,  will go bananas if he is eventually brought down by this.  I fear it could get violently nasty. 

 

4. How do his rants about the investigation and its personnel not constitute obstruction? 

 

 

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38 minutes ago, MattP said:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/antisemitism-row-pits-young-democrats-against-their-leaders-gw7jnbjff

 

This is already turning into a mirror image of the left in this county.

Ilhan Omar has already made numerous racist remarks in the past, followed by superficial excuses and apologies. But as Ben Shapiro puts it, she - just like Ocasio-Cortez - is all about "fresh" and "face".

 

AOC claiming that she is "the boss" was equally hilarious. She doesn't seem to get the concept of Representative Democracy. Way to insult your own voters.:appl:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal-critics-response-boss-a8794311.html

 

Democratic Socialists undermining the Democratic Party is a great way for the Republican Party to gain votes - bad thing is, they don't have to do a lot actively, just watch from afar.

The Democrats are in the process of destroying themselves.

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On 03/03/2019 at 03:50, leicsmac said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47430996

 

I get the feeling he's worried.

 

On 03/03/2019 at 06:17, Vacamion said:

 

There are a few things I can't get my head round 

 

1. Only a guilty man would act like this.

 

2. If it is all, as he claims, a baseless witch hunt, a good politician would let it fizzle out and move on, yet he constantly brings it up. He repeatedly tries to undermine it and suggest it's biased and that those carrying it out are corrupt, whilst suggesting his opponent in 2016 is the real criminal. 

 

3. His base, which appears to ignore point 1,  will go bananas if he is eventually brought down by this.  I fear it could get violently nasty. 

 

4. How do his rants about the investigation and its personnel not constitute obstruction? 

 

 

He can rant as much as he wants to, it's called freedom of speech. He's an attention-seeker, on the narcissistic side, nothing new there. He likes the limelight, he thrives on it. Attacking Mueller is merely provocation. Either he's got something to lose and he's bluffing, or he doesn't and is thus overly confident. Let's not forget we're talking about US politics here, it's also him putting on a show for TV.

 

As for the Mueller investigation, I'm keen to hear what proof there is that there was in fact collusion and direct interference from Russia. So far, nothing has been found and nothing could be proven. People want to see Trump found guilty, no matter what he does. He could stay quiet and say nothing, and it would still be called an admission of guilt, the accusations would still ring loud on the Dems side, on TV and in the press in general.

 

I've already said it before, it's indicative of the media in the US in general that so far most of them have not shed a single light on the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Campaign's ties to Russia prior to the 2016 election. Where dem E-Mails again, Hillary?

 

The real threat of violence in the US comes from Antifascist groups and cells throughout the country, plus the reactionary Proud Boys. But these are still fringe movements. Right-wing extremists and Nazi sympathizers are few and far in between. Look at the evident amount of racism on the Left today. Democrats and Democratic Socialists will be struggling with it for a while.

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1 hour ago, MC Prussian said:

 

He can rant as much as he wants to, it's called freedom of speech. He's an attention-seeker, on the narcissistic side, nothing new there. He likes the limelight, he thrives on it. Attacking Mueller is merely provocation. Either he's got something to lose and he's bluffing, or he doesn't and is thus overly confident. Let's not forget we're talking about US politics here, it's also him putting on a show for TV.

 

As for the Mueller investigation, I'm keen to hear what proof there is that there was in fact collusion and direct interference from Russia. So far, nothing has been found and nothing could be proven. People want to see Trump found guilty, no matter what he does. He could stay quiet and say nothing, and it would still be called an admission of guilt, the accusations would still ring loud on the Dems side, on TV and in the press in general.

 

I've already said it before, it's indicative of the media in the US in general that so far most of them have not shed a single light on the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Campaign's ties to Russia prior to the 2016 election. Where dem E-Mails again, Hillary?

 

The real threat of violence in the US comes from Antifascist groups and cells throughout the country, plus the reactionary Proud Boys. But these are still fringe movements. Right-wing extremists and Nazi sympathizers are few and far in between. Look at the evident amount of racism on the Left today. Democrats and Democratic Socialists will be struggling with it for a while.

I guess only time is going to tell wrt what Mueller has or hasn't got.

 

Wasn't there some kind of investigation that ruled out any collusion between the Clinton Campaign and Russia?

 

TBH folks can choose to believe that it is really the antifascist groups in the US that represent the biggest threat to the biggest number of people - I wholeheartedly disagree based on the power structures still standing in the US today, but whatever. However, what cannot be denied - though I'm sure there are those who will try - is that those on the right in the US are far, far more responsible for blatantly ignoring a threat that could cause far, far more death and destruction than any bunch of antifa "thugs" or "Proud Boys" ever could.

 

And that, like it or not, is on them.

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He can rant as much as he wants to, it's called freedom of speech. He's an attention-seeker, on the narcissistic side, nothing new there. He likes the limelight, he thrives on it. Attacking Mueller is merely provocation. Either he's got something to lose and he's bluffing, or he doesn't and is thus overly confident. Let's not forget we're talking about US politics here, it's also him putting on a show for TV.

 

As for the Mueller investigation, I'm keen to hear what proof there is that there was in fact collusion and direct interference from Russia. So far, nothing has been found and nothing could be proven. People want to see Trump found guilty, no matter what he does. He could stay quiet and say nothing, and it would still be called an admission of guilt, the accusations would still ring loud on the Dems side, on TV and in the press in general.

 

I've already said it before, it's indicative of the media in the US in general that so far most of them have not shed a single light on the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Campaign's ties to Russia prior to the 2016 election. Where dem E-Mails again, Hillary?

 

The real threat of violence in the US comes from Antifascist groups and cells throughout the country, plus the reactionary Proud Boys. But these are still fringe movements. Right-wing extremists and Nazi sympathizers are few and far in between. Look at the evident amount of racism on the Left today. Democrats and Democratic Socialists will be struggling with it for a while.

 

 

Is this post a joke? 

 

You are really saying there is no evidence of a problem with Donald Trump and it's the media's fault. 

 

His campaign foreign policy advisor, Papadopoulos, pleaded guilty.

 

His former campaign Chair, Paul Manafort, in prison and struck a plea deal. 

 

His former National Security advisor, Mike "Lock her up" Flynn, pleaded guilty early doors. 

 

His advisor Roger Stone, currently under indictment. 

 

His lawyer, Cohen, currently spilling the beans in closed door sessions to the Intelligence committee. 

 

And a sackful of Russians indicted on conspiracy charges. 

 

And Mueller is not done yet. 

 

But of course, this is all about how Trump is playing the media, or it is about Hilary. 

 

And I don't know where to begin with the suggestion that it's Democrats and Socialists doing all that racism, not the MAGA hat wearing "fine people on both sides", banging on about Soros and demonising immigrants. 

 

Just wow. 

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"We appreciate it very much, Tim Apple" lol

 

Donald Trump gets Apple boss's surname wrong

The US president was praising the work of Tim Cook at an American Workforce Policy Advisory Board meeting when he appeared to call him "Tim Apple".

Mr Cook is the Chief Executive Officer of Apple Inc.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-47485217/donald-trump-gets-apple-boss-s-surname-wrong

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20 hours ago, Vacamion said:

 

 

Is this post a joke? 

 

You are really saying there is no evidence of a problem with Donald Trump and it's the media's fault. 

 

His campaign foreign policy advisor, Papadopoulos, pleaded guilty.

 

His former campaign Chair, Paul Manafort, in prison and struck a plea deal. 

 

His former National Security advisor, Mike "Lock her up" Flynn, pleaded guilty early doors. 

 

His advisor Roger Stone, currently under indictment. 

 

His lawyer, Cohen, currently spilling the beans in closed door sessions to the Intelligence committee. 

 

And a sackful of Russians indicted on conspiracy charges. 

 

And Mueller is not done yet. 

 

But of course, this is all about how Trump is playing the media, or it is about Hilary. 

 

And I don't know where to begin with the suggestion that it's Democrats and Socialists doing all that racism, not the MAGA hat wearing "fine people on both sides", banging on about Soros and demonising immigrants. 

 

Just wow. 

As for the alleged Russian collusion, no direct involvement to the Trump campaign has been established as of yet.

Just a bit of background here with the names you are throwing around:

 

Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to having (indirect) contacts to Russian authorities or people with Russian contacts, a certain Mr. Mifsud in particular - it remains to be seen how having contacts influenced the Trump campaign in 2016. Papadopoulos was charged for lying to the authorities, that remains his only crime in this affair so far.

It begs the question: Since when is having contacts to Russia or having contacts to people who have contacts to Russia a crime? Shades of the McCarthy era...

 

Manafort was chased after by Mueller for alleged collusion with Russia, and has so far been convicted for tax and bank fraud only, activities not directly related to the Trump Campaign. I'm no fan of his, as he has a history of lying and lobbying for foreign countries. He has been active in that shady business for more than 40 years now, and it begs the question in his case why he has never been exposed or was never found guilty of controversial deals under Ford, Reagan, Bush Snr. and Dole before. Why now? Btw, he should receive his sentence for Virginia tomorrow, and the DC District Court sentence next week.

 

Flynn was Trump's security advisor for three weeks only, he resigned after lying to his own administration and superior (Pence) and found guilty of lying to the authorities about his contacts to Russia. He pleaded guilty to one single felony regarding making false statements. Personally, I think in his case, there's plenty of personal feelings and dislike for Trump and Pence coming into play, as he probably never got over the fact that he wasn't selected as Trump's vice president.

 

Flamboyant Roger Stone, a close friend of Manafort, has been active in politics for roughly 40 years now. Checkered history, a notorious public image, controversial, a liar, an opportunist. Involved with both Republican and Democrat figures. He has been anti-Clinton for years, (in)famously founding a group called Citizens United Not Timid. Btw, he looks rather worn-out for a 66-year old.

 

Cohen has been lying to Congress, law enforcement, the IRS and others on multiple occasions and for a long time. The beans that he has been spilling, first secretly, then publicly, are nothing new. The whole document is available online.

https://sc.cnbcfm.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/2018/08/21/Michael Cohen Plea Agreement.pdf

 

Russian conspirators should be seen as a separate issue, there's concrete evidence of troll farms in Russia, people who are paid to be controversial on the net - regardless of Trump:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/16/17020774/robert-mueller-russia-troll-internet-research-agency-election-interference

However, it remains to be seen to what extent these trolls were able to actually influence the 2016 election.

 

As you can see, based on these figures the Mueller investigation is circling around, there's surely plenty of direct or indirect ties to Russia on their behalf, but no proof that Russia actively interfered in the 2016 elections, at least not for the Trump Campaign. No collusion as of yet. We have connections and meetings of individuals, but beyond that?

The main issue here is the people in question and their motivations and morale, not Trump or his campaign. Some of these men have been active in and meddling with politics for years, if not decades, and that on both sides of the aisle. Long before Trump came along. They have shown a distinct lack of character, signs of greed and opportunism, but that's on them. They deserve every sentence under the sun for the crimes they have committed - should they be found guilty.

 

I'm not denying that I think Trump has built part of his image and wealth thanks to some of the shadiest and sleaziest people you can imagine. After all, he's a successful US businessman and success breeds suckers. However, with regards to the collusion allegations, this has yet to be proven. These are separate issues, linked by some common denominators, e.g. people.

For now, all that remains is a rather one-sided media and Democratic campaign against a controversial Republican president who has done more good than harm on the political spectrum.

I'd love for the media to go after Hillary Clinton for her ties to Russia, the E-Mail scandal with all the confidential or secret mails saved on an external server, then deleted, but never in a million years would they dare.

 

I'm sorry to see US politics in such disarray. I think both sides have lot to make up for, but for now, I see the bigger issue left of the GOP.

 

Btw, I simply stated that there's more and more racism appearing on the Dems' side these days, not that "they are doing all the racism" (which is an exaggeration), that the media and society being fine with it whilst labelling people to the right of them all names in the world and I find that fact both rather shocking and telling. I condemn violence, no matter what affiliation the perpetrators have. But that's the type of extremism you get with a Two-Party system.

 

As far as the "demonizing immigrants" argument is concerned, you're painting with a broad brush again, generalizing. I think it's fair to say most people are fine with legal immigrants/immigration, and not so fine with the illegal aspect of migration. Sovereign states have their own sovereign right to decide who comes into the country and who doesn't. This is what Trump is focusing on with the "pro-Wall" argumentation. If you want to enter the States, do it legally, apply for the paperwork through the appropriate authorities.

You could equally ask yourself: Who does profit from illegal immigration, from cheap labour?

 

I suppose a lot of racists do wear or would wear MAGA hats, but just wearing a MAGA hat doesn't make you a racist. Know what I mean?

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