Strokes Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 Just now, toddybad said: I didn't think i remembered you as a tory but last few days you did seem to lurch to the right you might have noticed that occurred around the time labour repositioned itself on brexit. I'm very shallow and immensely disloyal.
bovril Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: I've been known as a twat for ages. Glad to hear it's merely as aspiration for others I have to say kudos for becoming a twat in under 3000 posts. Fine work. 1
Guest Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 40 minutes ago, bovril said: I have to say kudos for becoming a twat in under 3000 posts. Fine work. If you ask matty p i did it in under 5
Buce Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 48 minutes ago, Strokes said: One day I will earn enough respect on here to be deemed a twat. You wish.
bovril Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 2 hours ago, toddybad said: If you ask matty p i did it in under 5 He was just pissed off you broke his record.
Jimothy Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 3 hours ago, Strokes said: One day I will earn enough respect on here to be deemed a twat. Twat? Don't understate it, I've always thought you were a **** 1
Guest Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 Could this be the end of Teresa May and maybe even the government? Furious Tory MPs reject Theresa May’s threats over Brexit votes https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/02/tory-mps-threaten-theresa-may-over-brexit-votes?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Guest Posted 2 September 2017 Posted 2 September 2017 This basically sums up my thoughts The fantasy that Brexit would be easy is costing us dear https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/02/fantasy-that-brexit-would-be-easy-is-costing-us-dear?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Jon the Hat Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 6 hours ago, toddybad said: This basically sums up my thoughts The fantasy that Brexit would be easy is costing us dear https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/02/fantasy-that-brexit-would-be-easy-is-costing-us-dear?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard No one with half a brain thought Brexit would be easy. The EU aren't negotiating, they are stating positions on things then ignoring the British position. Eventually they will start to panic.
Guest Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said: No one with half a brain thought Brexit would be easy. The EU aren't negotiating, they are stating positions on things then ignoring the British position. Eventually they will start to panic. Let's hope you're right
Guest MattP Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 23 hours ago, Buce said: The Tories have Bozo as Foreign Secretary. Nuff said. At least Boris has some intelligence though, you can see that from his columns and qualifications. Imagine being an elected and coking out with "we got loads of money country is worth 2.6billion yeah" Only a city full of students could vote for someone that moronic. 10 hours ago, toddybad said: This basically sums up my thoughts The fantasy that Brexit would be easy is costing us dear https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/02/fantasy-that-brexit-would-be-easy-is-costing-us-dear?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard The Guardian is just making stuff up now. No one claimed this would be easy. Marr is worth a watch, Davis finally has a go back, as for Labour - still have no idea what the position is, Starmer just couldn't answer a question decisively.
Strokes Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 46 minutes ago, MattP said: At least Boris has some intelligence though, you can see that from his columns and qualifications. Imagine being an elected and coking out with "we got loads of money country is worth 2.6billion yeah" Only a city full of students could vote for someone that moronic. The Guardian is just making stuff up now. No one claimed this would be easy. Marr is worth a watch, Davis finally has a go back, as for Labour - still have no idea what the position is, Starmer just couldn't answer a question decisively. A brilliant watch, pretty much reinforcing what we have been saying for a long time. Remainers swallowing up the EU propaganda machine, when in fact there are two sides in this. Time to back the country.
Strokes Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 12 hours ago, Facecloth said: Twat? Don't understate it, I've always thought you were a **** I know I have touched a few hearts on here x
Guest Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 It's touching watching MattP and Strokes liking each others posts. I feel like we're closing in on our first Foxestalk bromance
Jimothy Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 1 hour ago, Strokes said: I know I have touched a few hearts on here x You're the Princess Di of FT 1
bovril Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 3 minutes ago, Facecloth said: You're the Princess Di of FT He was truly the people's twat. 1 2
Alf Bentley Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 1 hour ago, MattP said: The Guardian is just making stuff up now. No one claimed this would be easy. It's true that some Brexiteers on here recognised that it would not be easy, but there were plenty - and senior politicians, not just FT posters - who did give the impression that it would be easy. This is still on the Vote Leave web site, along with the £350m for the NHS policy, the claim that Turkey was about to join the EU and that the Euro was collapsing: http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/briefing.html "After we Vote Leave, we will immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals which could enter into force straight after the UK leaves the EU. As a member of the EU, we are forbidden from striking our own trade deals. It will be possible to strike these agreements quickly. Oxford Economics has said that ‘an analysis of regional trade deals conducted over the past 20 years found an average duration of 28 months’. I also remember claims that the UK was in a strong negotiating position as: - The EU countries would end up divided and fighting among themselves (seems to be us doing that) - The EU has a trade surplus with the UK (never mind that we depend on the EU for a much higher proportion of our trade and have fewer alternative options than they do) - German car makers would force the EU to do a generous deal to protect German car exports - Likewise, the Italians wouldn't want to lose their Prosecco exports or the Spanish their British tourists I'm sure that the EU will make some compromises and do a deal if at all possible. They would suffer some damage from a Hard Brexit - though nowhere near as much as we would. But we'll have to make more compromises as we're smaller and in the weaker negotiating position - and they seem to have secured a united position to protect the future existence and prosperity of the EU. We'd do well to make a few compromises on the "divorce payment", status of EU nationals in UK & Irish border, as that would greatly improve our chances of a compromise on a transitional period and future trade agreement.....without which we're heading for utter disaster. Seriously, Matt, have a read of that Natalie Nougayrède article for which I posted a link - and some of the comments in response from people living on the continent (ignoring the idiots on both sides). Some stuff in The Guardian is biased or poor quality, I agree. But some isn't. 2
Alf Bentley Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 1 hour ago, Strokes said: Remainers swallowing up the EU propaganda machine, when in fact there are two sides in this. Time to back the country. Of course, you've not swallowed any Brexit propaganda, eh? Time to back the country, right or wrong? Whatever happened to patriotism being the last refuge of a scoundrel? One thing that was entirely predictable - I predicted it several times - was that when we didn't immediately get a great deal and bright future, many Brexiteers would blame EU intransigence, not unrealistic Brexiteer expectations. Now, I'm sure you're far too nice a bloke (twat or not!) to get involved in nationalist extremism or hostility to foreigners.....but if no deal is done or the economy tanks, I'd fully expect some to do so. I just hope that it's only a tiny minority. How do you plan to "back the country"? Run into the negotiations in union jack boxers bearing an "Up yours, Delors!" placard? Invade Brussels? Stop driving German cars and drinking Prosecco? Maybe we should all buy one of these: Or get together for a sing-song: Or invade the EU for a sing-song: 2
foxinexile Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 1 hour ago, Strokes said: A brilliant watch, pretty much reinforcing what we have been saying for a long time. Remainers swallowing up the EU propaganda machine, when in fact there are two sides in this. Time to back the country. Out of interest, if the referendum result had been Remain 51.9%/Leave 48.1%, and Remain voters were now saying to you "Time to back the EU", would you? Or would you still maintain your opposition to the UK being part of it? Or is the whole 'We need to get behind the country' rhetoric a general Leave admission that things aren't going quite as planned/hoped/promised? Surely if all was going great, you wouldn't need the support of Remain voters? I remember Michael Gove saying, before the referendum, "The day after we vote we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want" (as mentioned in the Guardian article a few posts above). If I'd voted Leave I think I'd be scutinising some of the soundbites which were espoused by prominent Leave voters right now, rather than concerning myself with how much "propaganda" Remain voters were, or were not, swallowing. 2
ajthefox Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 2 hours ago, MattP said: At least Boris has some intelligence though, you can see that from his columns and qualifications. Imagine being an elected and coking out with "we got loads of money country is worth 2.6billion yeah" Only a city full of students could vote for someone that moronic. The Guardian is just making stuff up now. No one claimed this would be easy. Marr is worth a watch, Davis finally has a go back, as for Labour - still have no idea what the position is, Starmer just couldn't answer a question decisively. Yeah, can you imagine if a big country, a "superpower" voted in someone truly and utterly incompetent to probably the most powerful single seat on the entire planet? How crazy would that be! Those daft Sheffield students, when will they learn? 3
Strokes Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 1 minute ago, foxinexile said: Out of interest, if the referendum result had been Remain 51.9%/Leave 48.1%, and Remain voters were now saying to you "Time to back the EU", would you? Or would you still maintain your opposition to the UK being part of it? Or is the whole 'We need to get behind the country' rhetoric a general Leave admission that things aren't going quite as planned/hoped/promised? Surely if all was going great, you wouldn't need the support of Remain voters? If we had voted to remain there would have been nothing to back, we wouldn't be entering any negotiations, nothing would be changing. So I'm not sure what you are asking? Would I be disgruntled, undoubtedly, would you care at all? No. From a personal point of view, my only concern is remainers seem to getting more support for changing direction of brexit. The soft brexit they pine for would really piss me off. It's just membership without any say, the worst of both worlds.
Strokes Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 1 hour ago, Alf Bentley said: Of course, you've not swallowed any Brexit propaganda, eh? Time to back the country, right or wrong? Whatever happened to patriotism being the last refuge of a scoundrel? One thing that was entirely predictable - I predicted it several times - was that when we didn't immediately get a great deal and bright future, many Brexiteers would blame EU intransigence, not unrealistic Brexiteer expectations. Now, I'm sure you're far too nice a bloke (twat or not!) to get involved in nationalist extremism or hostility to foreigners.....but if no deal is done or the economy tanks, I'd fully expect some to do so. I just hope that it's only a tiny minority. How do you plan to "back the country"? Run into the negotiations in union jack boxers bearing an "Up yours, Delors!" placard? Invade Brussels? Stop driving German cars and drinking Prosecco? Maybe we should all buy one of these: Or get together for a sing-song: Or invade the EU for a sing-song: Backing your country would involve not swallowing every guardian or independent article on the subject and being a bit less dramatic with our reactions to anything negative that rolls out of Brussels. You point to us blaming the EU for not giving us what we want, and predict attacks on foreigners if it 'inevitably' all does go pear shaped. There might be a few isolated incidents but I'm not convinced there will be any real upsurge in hate crimes. Unless the alter the meaning of it again.
Carl the Llama Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 6 minutes ago, Strokes said: Backing your country would involve not swallowing every guardian or independent article on the subject Who's done that? Certainly not the poster you're responding to. 6 minutes ago, Strokes said: being a bit less dramatic with our reactions to anything negative that rolls out of Brussels. Bit ironic given your immediately previous assertion. 6 minutes ago, Strokes said: You point to us blaming the EU for not giving us what we want, and predict attacks on foreigners if it 'inevitably' all does go pear shaped. Does he? Read the comment again.
Strokes Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 2 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Who's done that? Certainly not the poster you're responding to. I never said or implied he did. 3 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Bit ironic given your immediately previous assertion. Explain? 3 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Does he? Read the comment again. Yes and I have.
Carl the Llama Posted 3 September 2017 Posted 3 September 2017 Just now, Strokes said: I never said or implied he did. Explain? Yes and I have. You certainly implied it, but ok I guess you didn't intend to. Kinda self explanatory in the context that you appear to be dismissing his opinion as ingested Guardian babble. He really didn't. First of all he was talking in the past tense about the immediate aftermath, not predicting the future. Second of all he said nothing about "if it 'inevitably' all does go pear shaped".
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