Strokes Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 26 minutes ago, MattP said: http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_59638608e4b02e9bdb0e2c77 Could be another by-election on the way...... I've not heard someone use that phrase for years Wow unbelievable and unnecessary, what the hell was she thinking?
Guest MattP Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 1 minute ago, Strokes said: Wow unbelievable and unnecessary, what the hell was she thinking? Who knows? I remember one of my old managers using it three times in as many minutes in an accounts meeting once (attended by one black employee as well), everyone was just looking each other thinking WTF and this was about 2004. They might get away with it as Labour can't exactly take any moral high ground on bigotry given they didn't sack Naz Shah but it's more inconvenience at best. She might get away with a slap on the wrist and one of these speed-awareness style "diversity courses" but she should really be gone.
Strokes Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 2 minutes ago, MattP said: Who knows? I remember one of my old managers using it three times in as many minutes in an accounts meeting once (attended by one black employee as well), everyone was just looking each other thinking WTF and this was about 2004. They might get away with it as Labour can't exactly take any moral high ground on bigotry given they didn't sack Naz Shah but it's more inconvenience at best. She might get away with a slap on the wrist and one of these speed-awareness style "diversity courses" but she should really be gone. She has to be sacked, whether Labour can take the moral high ground or not IMO.
Guest MattP Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Strokes said: She has to be sacked, whether Labour can take the moral high ground or not IMO. I agree. It's all about the personality of the MP though weirdly these days, a guy like Corbyn or Boris etc can get away with some casual bigotry - the rest can't. Said it's one rule for one etc but that's just the way it is. Edited 10 July 2017 by MattP
Buce Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 42 minutes ago, MattP said: http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_59638608e4b02e9bdb0e2c77 Could be another by-election on the way...... I've not heard someone use that phrase for years Not since it was last spoken by a Tory, you mean?
Strokes Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 Just now, MattP said: I agree. It's all about the personality of the MP though weirdly these days, a guy like Corbyn or Boris etc can get away with some casual racism - the rest can't. Said it's one rule for one etc but that's just the way it is. It's always been that way really and always will be, politics is like a real life version of the thick of it these days
Guest MattP Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 Just now, Buce said: Not since it was last spoken by a Tory, you mean? My gaffer was an ex-miner and as solid Labour as you could get.
Strokes Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 Just now, Buce said: Not since it was last spoken by a Tory, you mean? Why are only tories racist? I thought the left didn't like stereotyping
Buce Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, MattP said: My gaffer was an ex-miner and as solid Labour as you could get. 12 minutes ago, Strokes said: Why are only tories racist? I thought the left didn't like stereotyping Sorry, I was unclear - I was referring to public figures (I believe it was a Tory peer about ten years ago). Edit: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/2273176/David-Cameron-urged-to-sack-Tory-peer-after-nigger-in-the-woodpile-remark.html This might surprise you, but I think it would be harsh for her to lose her job over it; using an outdated idiom (however crass) is not quite the same as using it to describe someone's racial origins. Edited 10 July 2017 by Buce
lgfualol Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/caller-james-obrien-proof-brexiteers-reason/ Oh dear. 2
Guest MattP Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 5 minutes ago, Buce said: Sorry, I was unclear - I was referring to public figures (I believe it was a Tory peer about ten years ago). This might surprise you, but I think it would be harsh for her to lose her job over it; using an outdated idiom (however crass) is not quite the same as using it to describe someone's racial origins. I remember that now you mention it, can't actually remember if Cameron did move them on or not. I think they have to go, you just can't say these things in 2017, you could excuse it as a slip of the tongue 20 years ago but no one uses phrases like this in modern conversation anymore. They aren't slips of the tongue. Get rid and politically be thankful it's a safe Tory seat in a heavy leave area.
Buce Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 7 minutes ago, MattP said: I remember that now you mention it, can't actually remember if Cameron did move them on or not. I think they have to go, you just can't say these things in 2017, you could excuse it as a slip of the tongue 20 years ago but no one uses phrases like this in modern conversation anymore. They aren't slips of the tongue. Get rid and politically be thankful it's a safe Tory seat in a heavy leave area. It seems he got away with an apology to the house: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dixon-Smith,_Baron_Dixon-Smith
Strokes Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 18 minutes ago, Buce said: Sorry, I was unclear - I was referring to public figures (I believe it was a Tory peer about ten years ago). Edit: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/2273176/David-Cameron-urged-to-sack-Tory-peer-after-nigger-in-the-woodpile-remark.html This might surprise you, but I think it would be harsh for her to lose her job over it; using an outdated idiom (however crass) is not quite the same as using it to describe someone's racial origins. I was just teasing anyway buce
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 10 July 2017 Author Posted 10 July 2017 18 minutes ago, MattP said: I remember that now you mention it, can't actually remember if Cameron did move them on or not. I think they have to go, you just can't say these things in 2017, you could excuse it as a slip of the tongue 20 years ago but no one uses phrases like this in modern conversation anymore. They aren't slips of the tongue. Get rid and politically be thankful it's a safe Tory seat in a heavy leave area. She'll survive, no-ones heard of her before now and there's more things about to fill the front pages with - this 'story' will do well to last the afternoon. 1
Buce Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 (edited) This is interesting from her Wiki entry: In the 2017 general election campaign she had distanced herself from a "racist remark" made by her election agent and partner, Roger Kendrick, at a hustings.[14] This is what he said: http://www.devonlive.com/anne-marie-morris-distances-herself-from-vile-racist-remark-made-by-her-agent-at-hustings-event/story-30365953-detail/story.html Newton Abbot Tory candidate Anne Marie Morris has distanced herself from comments made by her electoral agent and partner who claimed 'that the crisis in education was due entirely to non-British born immigrants and their high birth rates'. The comment was made at the hustings event organised by the Newton Abbot Chamber of Trade at the town's University Technical College on Tuesday night. During the debate around education and fair funding of schools, a member of the public stood up and said: 'that the crisis in education was due entirely to non-British born immigrants and their high birth rates'. It has since emerged that the person who made that remark was Roger Kendrick, who is both Anne Marie Morris's partner and her electoral agent. Anne Marie had faced criticism from both the People's Republic of South Devon and Liberal Democrat candidate Marie Chadwick in regards to the comment, saying that it detracted from the debate and was totally unnecessary. Edited 10 July 2017 by Buce
Carl the Llama Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 40 minutes ago, lgfualol said: http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/caller-james-obrien-proof-brexiteers-reason/ Oh dear. But these people don't exist lgf, Webbo, Matt et al. in the referendum thread made it pretty clear that the ignorant masses rushing into a decision based on completely erroneous beliefs were just a figment of the nasty scaremongering left's imagination and that suggesting they existed at all was tantamount to calling all right-wing voters racist.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 10 July 2017 Author Posted 10 July 2017 (edited) The People's Republic of South Devon? I must have missed them being granted independence! Edited 10 July 2017 by DJ Barry Hammond
Buce Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 18 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: But these people don't exist lgf, Webbo, Matt et al. in the referendum thread made it pretty clear that the ignorant masses rushing into a decision based on completely erroneous beliefs were just a figment of the nasty scaremongering left's imagination and that suggesting they existed at all was tantamount to calling all right-wing voters racist. I don't know whether to laugh or cry: "I don't go to Greece on holiday because the beaches are full of tents" and "It's too expensive to holiday abroad since we came out the Euro"
Guest Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 1 hour ago, lgfualol said: http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/caller-james-obrien-proof-brexiteers-reason/ Oh dear. James O'Brien has been spectacularly good at ripping apart brexiteers arguments over the last 18 months. It's hard to understand how anybody can listen to his program and still ring in to make the same points again and again. Normally he just asks which EU laws they don't like and they can't answer. Then he asks if they would have voted remain if the UK were able to stop EU laws that it didn't agree with you being passed and, when they invariably say yes, he points out the UK already has a veto like other EU nations. Almost funny if it wasn't so serious.
Guest MattP Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: But these people don't exist lgf, Webbo, Matt et al. in the referendum thread made it pretty clear that the ignorant masses rushing into a decision based on completely erroneous beliefs were just a figment of the nasty scaremongering left's imagination and that suggesting they existed at all was tantamount to calling all right-wing voters racist. Of course they exist, no one has denied they didnt, some idiots voted leave on false beliefs or lies, some idiots also voted remain on false beliefs and lies. Idiots on all sides get torn apart if they have no idea what they are talking about, have a listen to some of the remainers who ring up when Farage is doing LBC. Edited 10 July 2017 by MattP
Carl the Llama Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 (edited) 31 minutes ago, MattP said: Of course they exist, no one has denied they did, some idiots voted leave on false beliefs or lies, some also voted remain on false beliefs and lies. Idiots on all sides get torn apart if they have no idea what they are talking about, have a listen to some of the remainers who ring up when Farage is doing LBC. Tbf in some respect you're right: I've just gone back over the pre-ref thread where the issue of Brexiteers' ignorance was raised and instead of outright denying that these people exist the response of choice was to try shutting down the debate by saying that talking about it means you're calling everyone who wants to leave a racist. So more of a denial by implication then. The point still stands that nobody on their side of the debate wanted to accept their existence but you were all perfectly happy to benefit from it nonetheless. And you'll have to forgive me for not getting as upset by the ignorant remainers. After all I find it infinitely more palatable to hear of people voting under the false impression that it will protect their ability to visit France than for the misinformed isolationism practised by out of touch leavers. Misinformed isolationism that may well have caused this country to make its biggest mistake since Blair got in bed with Dubya. Edited 10 July 2017 by Carl the Llama 1
Webbo Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 3 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Tbf in some respect you're right: I've just gone back over the pre-ref thread where the issue of Brexiteers' ignorance was raised and instead of outright denying that these people exist the response of choice was to try shutting down the debate by saying that talking about it means you're calling everyone who wants to leave a racist. So more of a denial by implication then. The point still stands that nobody on their side of the debate wanted to accept their existence but you were all perfectly happy to benefit from it nonetheless. And you'll have to forgive me for not getting as upset by the ignorant remainers. After all I find it infinitely more palatable to hear of people voting under the false impression that it will protect their ability to visit France than for the misinformed isolationism practised by out of touch leavers. Misinformed isolationism that may well have caused this country to make its biggest mistake since Blair got in bed with Dubya. You're misinformed Carl, it's nothing to do with isolationism.
Carl the Llama Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 1 minute ago, Webbo said: You're misinformed Carl, it's nothing to do with isolationism. Sorry, misinformed isolationism that was a significant factor in contributing to the just over 50% decision to make this country's biggest mistake since Blair got in bed with Dubya. Is that better?
Nick Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 2 hours ago, Strokes said: Wow unbelievable and unnecessary, what the hell was she thinking? How can you have been an MP since 2010 and still use phrases like that? I'd be more forgiving had she been 80 odd but really thats poor... Was a good question though just badly phrased - Not an advert for being 'in touch' with the people though really is it.
Webbo Posted 10 July 2017 Posted 10 July 2017 Just now, Carl the Llama said: Sorry, misinformed isolationism that was a significant factor in contributing to the just over 50% decision to make this country's biggest mistake since Blair got in bed with Dubya. Is that better? Wanting to have a govt that's answerable to the voters isn't isolationist. It's all a matter of opinion though. I don't think it was a mistake at all.
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